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Robert Mueller Uncovers Real Collusion

Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:15 am

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-i ... -collusion

"For nearly two years, since the U.S. intelligence community released its report on the Russian campaign to assist Donald Trump in the 2016 election, the American people have been seeking an answer as to whether the Trump campaign colluded with its Russian counterpart. In the endless speculation about the direction of the investigation, a common view was that maybe the investigation would never implicate President Trump or find any collusion.

But a flurry of recent activity this past week all points in the same direction: Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation will likely implicate the president, his campaign, and his close associates in aiding and abetting a Russian conspiracy against the United States to undermine the 2016 election." -Max Bergmann and Sam Berger, the Daily Beast

Well guys, things just got a lot muddier for the Orange in chief. Robert Mueller released a new report yesterday in which he detailed major connections between the Russian attempt to interfere with the US elections and the Trump campaign itself. Trump aid Roger Stone directed an underling to contact wikileaks about stolen material that Russian hackers nabbed from the Democratic Party. Meanwhile during the election, Trump was negotiating a major business deal in Russia after lying to voters and telling americans he had no business connections to the country. Not only did he have connections but the deal involved even the Kremlin itself, with trump bribing Vladimir Putin with a $50000000 penthouse. Russia knew about the investigation into Trump and helped him cover his tracks, but as a result the Russians took ahold of Trump. With the knowlege that he lied to the American people, Russia could blackmail Trump into supporting them or looking the other way by threatening to release the bombshell info.

The third blow to Trump in the report was the revelation of Trump's replacement of Jeff Sessions in an attempt to halt the Russia investigation, as well as the use of Paul Manafort to spy on Robert Mueller and gain access to information on the investigation, with the promise of a presidential parodon for manafort if he aided the administration. All of this amounts to obstruction of justice.

Finally, it was revealed that Trump indeed broke campaign finance laws by using funds to pay off a model whom Trump had an affair with so she would keep quiet. The sheer amount of bad news this report brought for Trump is groundbreaking, and many now wonder where we will go from here. For more details on the Mueller findings, the link to the original article is at the top of the page.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:25 am

Daily Beast is a crap source, but yeah... Trump is a Russian puppet.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:30 am

USS Monitor wrote:Daily Beast is a crap source, but yeah... Trump is a Russian puppet.


Any sources with more journalistic integrity than KCNA?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:48 am

Telconi wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Daily Beast is a crap source, but yeah... Trump is a Russian puppet.


Any sources with more journalistic integrity than KCNA?


Just type in "Trump russia collusion" and every single news site is running the story
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Rojava Free State wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Any sources with more journalistic integrity than KCNA?


Just type in "Trump russia collusion" and every single news site is running the story


So that's a no?
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Postby Christopher Robin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:09 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46490804

This is the closest credible source I can find that is discussing anything close to this. Doesn't implicate Trump yet...

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Eh, even if they prove it, then what?
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Eh, even if they prove it, then what?


House begins impeachment proceedings if they decide to?
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Telconi wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Eh, even if they prove it, then what?


House begins impeachment proceedings if they decide to?

Even if he gets impeached I'd doubt he'd get the boot
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
House begins impeachment proceedings if they decide to?

Even if he gets impeached I'd doubt he'd get the boot


Not while the Republicans hold the Senate...
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Telconi wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Even if he gets impeached I'd doubt he'd get the boot


Not while the Republicans hold the Senate...

Hence it's all pointless
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Christopher Robin wrote:Doesn't implicate Trump yet...


Why am I reminded of those crackpot theories that say the Holocaust was organized by Hitler's subordinates without his involvement?
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I'm not surprised. Nothing will happen, though. Trump is president.
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:32 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Christopher Robin wrote:Doesn't implicate Trump yet...


Why am I reminded of those crackpot theories that say the Holocaust was organized by Hitler's subordinates without his involvement?

For what it's worth, I have no idea.
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Postby Christopher Robin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:37 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Why am I reminded of those crackpot theories that say the Holocaust was organized by Hitler's subordinates without his involvement?


Oh, don't get me wrong, the man is guilty as sin. Trump doesn't have an ounce of integrity in his entire body. Whatever slimy means to win the election were open to him, I have no doubt he took advantage of them.

But the legal system must still be fair. These aren't the Nuremberg military tribunals, and there must be real hard evidence.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:37 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Not while the Republicans hold the Senate...

Hence it's all pointless



If him being there hurts their election chances, he is gone.
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:43 pm

Christopher Robin wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Why am I reminded of those crackpot theories that say the Holocaust was organized by Hitler's subordinates without his involvement?


Oh, don't get me wrong, the man is guilty as sin. Trump doesn't have an ounce of integrity in his entire body. Whatever slimy means to win the election were open to him, I have no doubt he took advantage of them.

But the legal system must still be fair. These aren't the Nuremberg military tribunals, and there must be real hard evidence.

I'm pretty sure there's evidence. That's what the Mueller investigation was doing.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:44 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Hence it's all pointless



If him being there hurts their election chances, he is gone.

Bingo! If the Dems have any sense, they'll drag out the evidentiary hearings before starting the articles of impeachment. They can fill the next two years with increasingly ugly news of the president's collusion with foreign powers.* The GOP senators would like to keep their jobs, and "I support a traitor!" is just not a winning campaign plank. :P

*: It's theoretically possible that Mueller's got nothing, but I don't believe it.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:46 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

If him being there hurts their election chances, he is gone.

Bingo! If the Dems have any sense, they'll drag out the evidentiary hearings before starting the articles of impeachment. They can fill the next two years with increasingly ugly news of the president's collusion with foreign powers.* The GOP senators would like to keep their jobs, and "I support a traitor!" is just not a winning campaign plank. :P

*: It's theoretically possible that Mueller's got nothing, but I don't believe it.


Neither is "I voted to impeach a Republican President"
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Postby Teachian » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:46 pm

If Trump is proven to be involved (or at least becomes an open secret, even if they can’t legally prove it), I wonder how that’ll affect the “witch hunt” dynamics in politics.

The way I see it, could go two ways:
A)Since the accusations are proven, the whole thing is tied to reality and doesn’t just become a convient political tool. Or...
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:46 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Christopher Robin wrote:
Oh, don't get me wrong, the man is guilty as sin. Trump doesn't have an ounce of integrity in his entire body. Whatever slimy means to win the election were open to him, I have no doubt he took advantage of them.

But the legal system must still be fair. These aren't the Nuremberg military tribunals, and there must be real hard evidence.

I'm pretty sure there's evidence. That's what the Mueller investigation was doing.

Is doing. And the Democratic House will do. I expect to see rather a lot of detailed evidence starting in January, once the new Congress convenes and the committees start to meet again.
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Postby Kash Island » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:47 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

If him being there hurts their election chances, he is gone.

Bingo! If the Dems have any sense, they'll drag out the evidentiary hearings before starting the articles of impeachment. They can fill the next two years with increasingly ugly news of the president's collusion with foreign powers.* The GOP senators would like to keep their jobs, and "I support a traitor!" is just not a winning campaign plank. :P

*: It's theoretically possible that Mueller's got nothing, but I don't believe it.



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"WE GOT HIM THIS TIME!!! LOL TRUMP IS TOAST"

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