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Federal Republics are the best form of governments

Yes
15
58%
Not really
10
38%
Not Sure
1
4%
 
Total votes : 26

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Rio Cana
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Federal Republics

Postby Rio Cana » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:19 am

Did some checking and it seems there are only 15 Federal Republics in the world. I though there were more. So why is this. Having a large population and large area has nothing to do with it since both Nepal and Austria are Federal Republics. Do you think having a Fed. Rep. has a form of government is better then most other political systems. I think it is a better system since it does give more local control to regions of a nation. So what do you think NS.

List of Federal Republics
1. Argentina
2. Austria
3. Bosnia
4. Brazil
5. Ethiopia
6. Germany
7. India
8. Mexico
9. Nepal
10. Nigeria
11. Pakistan
12. Russia
13. Switzerland
14. US
15. Venezuela
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Postby Nimzonia » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:10 am

I don't really see giving local control to regions as being good or important.

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Postby Page » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:23 am

Federalism is better than a central government controlling everything. I think most states and regions of federal republicans don't have nearly enough autonomy.
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Postby Engleberg » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:50 am

Federal republic being best form of government?

Nah, that’d be a monarchy friend.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 am

Page wrote:Federalism is better than a central government controlling everything. I think most states and regions of federal republicans don't have nearly enough autonomy.

^ this
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Postby Narland » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:21 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Page wrote:Federalism is better than a central government controlling everything. I think most states and regions of federal republicans don't have nearly enough autonomy.

^ this

^ ditto

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:26 pm

Engleberg wrote:Federal republic being best form of government?

Nah, that’d be a monarchy friend.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:29 pm

I'd argue that federalism and localism are certainly quite effective as governmental structures.

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:34 pm

Local autonomy is definitely better than the central government controlling everything. But I would suggest most non-federal nations has devoluted a lot of their powers away to the regions, this is certainly the case with my country (my country almost disintegrated in the early 2000's after 30 years of central government repression).

Regional corruption may became an immense problem though.


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Postby Dagnia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:07 pm

I'd say "not really" if you mean they are the absolute best government type. As with all things, it depends on the situation. Federal republics make sense in ethnically/linguistically diverse, geographically large nations, or nations with a strong tradition of regional government. The US has a federal system because the needs and attitudes of a person in California are almost diametrically opposed to those of a person in Indiana, and one would end up seriously screwing the other if everything were done in a one size fits all kind of deal. Russia has many more ethnicities than just Russians within its borders, many of which have no sovereign nation of their own, plus there's even more distance between Sochi and Vladivostok than there is between California and Indiana.
A federal republic makes less sense in a more or less ethnically homogeneous, geographically small to mid-size state like Poland or Japan. Though their regions and cities may have a unique character, the differences are not as big as in the US or Russia. Even where regional differences do manifest themselves politically (former German lands in Poland tend to vote PO while lands that were Polish before WWII vote PiS), Szczecin doesn't get totally gutted and everything moved to Bialystok when PiS wins because their interests are not that terribly different. You can actually see this happen in US states where counties and cities have little power and one city dominates over others.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:09 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Did some checking and it seems there are only 15 Federal Republics in the world. I though there were more. So why is this. Having a large population and large area has nothing to do with it since both Nepal and Austria are Federal Republics. Do you think having a Fed. Rep. has a form of government is better then most other political systems. I think it is a better system since it does give more local control to regions of a nation. So what do you think NS.

List of Federal Republics
1. Argentina
2. Austria
3. Bosnia
4. Brazil
5. Ethiopia
6. Germany
7. India
8. Mexico
9. Nepal
10. Nigeria
11. Pakistan
12. Russia
13. Switzerland
14. US
15. Venezuela


Swiss Gov't rocks, I'm a fan. But some others on that list - don't. I think it has more to do with implementation, that the system, but if you can implemented it as well as the Swiss, it's arguably the best.
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Postby United States of Natan » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:13 pm

I'm quite certain there's more than 15. You may be forgetting a few, such as Sudan and South Sudan.

Regardless, I do believe its the best type of government.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:22 pm

United States of Natan wrote:I'm quite certain there's more than 15. You may be forgetting a few, such as Sudan and South Sudan.

Regardless, I do believe its the best type of government.

Well they forgot about Comoros, Iraq, Micronesia, Somalia, Sudan, and South Sudan.

And that’s not counting the federations that are monarchies. Which are Australia, Belgium, Canada, Malaysia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, and the UAE.

So in total there are 21 Federal Republics, 6 Federal Monarchies, and 27 Federations
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:I'm quite certain there's more than 15. You may be forgetting a few, such as Sudan and South Sudan.

Regardless, I do believe its the best type of government.

Well they forgot about Comoros, Iraq, Micronesia, Somalia, Sudan, and South Sudan.

And that’s not counting the federations that are monarchies. Which are Australia, Belgium, Canada, Malaysia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, and the UAE.

So in total there are 21 Federal Republics, 6 Federal Monarchies, and 27 Federations


Something tells me that Rio wasn't going for manarchies.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:29 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well they forgot about Comoros, Iraq, Micronesia, Somalia, Sudan, and South Sudan.

And that’s not counting the federations that are monarchies. Which are Australia, Belgium, Canada, Malaysia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, and the UAE.

So in total there are 21 Federal Republics, 6 Federal Monarchies, and 27 Federations


Something tells me that Rio wasn't going for manarchies.

No. But they did forget 6 republics. One of which has been in the news for the last decade.

I just added the monarchies for the heck of it
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:32 pm

We shouldn't understate the potentials of a powerful central government in bringing equality between regions - 'redistributing the wealth' if you prefer. Certainly the case with the my incumbent (and favorite) president who sought to dramatically develop the underdeveloped east - although the opposite can happen.


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Postby Shofercia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Something tells me that Rio wasn't going for manarchies.

No. But they did forget 6 republics. One of which has been in the news for the last decade.

I just added the monarchies for the heck of it


Comoros and Micronesia are tiny, Somalia, Sudan, and South Sudan are Federal Republics in name only, and Iraq? C'mon, you should know better.
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Postby Menorica » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:10 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Did some checking and it seems there are only 15 Federal Republics in the world. I though there were more. So why is this. Having a large population and large area has nothing to do with it since both Nepal and Austria are Federal Republics. Do you think having a Fed. Rep. has a form of government is better then most other political systems. I think it is a better system since it does give more local control to regions of a nation. So what do you think NS.

List of Federal Republics
1. Argentina
2. Austria
3. Bosnia
4. Brazil
5. Ethiopia
6. Germany
7. India
8. Mexico
9. Nepal
10. Nigeria
11. Pakistan
12. Russia
13. Switzerland
14. US
15. Venezuela


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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:18 pm

Australia isn't technically a federal republic, but remove the monarchy and we basically are. Each state has their own functioning parliament, premier ("prime minister"), cabinet and a wide range of powers.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:45 pm

Menorica wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:Did some checking and it seems there are only 15 Federal Republics in the world. I though there were more. So why is this. Having a large population and large area has nothing to do with it since both Nepal and Austria are Federal Republics. Do you think having a Fed. Rep. has a form of government is better then most other political systems. I think it is a better system since it does give more local control to regions of a nation. So what do you think NS.

List of Federal Republics
1. Argentina
2. Austria
3. Bosnia
4. Brazil
5. Ethiopia
6. Germany
7. India
8. Mexico
9. Nepal
10. Nigeria
11. Pakistan
12. Russia
13. Switzerland
14. US
15. Venezuela


The United States of America is NOT a Federal Republic, It is a [CONSTITUTIONAL] Republic!

Mate the US is a fucking federal republic.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:02 am

What is your opinion, OP?

Personally, a federal system is most appropriate for countries with a large land area and a spread out population, or for countries with strong regionalism that threatens to bleed into separatist territory.

But it doesn't matter whether it is a republic or a constitutional monarchy: while I oppose absolute monarchies (unless I'm the guy ruling), the governmental system itself is not a good indicator as to whether a given system is good or bad.
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