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Sonindia Declares War On NPO

Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:38 pm

Sonindia Declares war on the New Pacific Order!

I am happy to announce it, as such evil shouldn't be tolerated. I believe that the NPO's actions are not right, and should be punished.
I hope everyone else can support this too, here is a segment from our declaration of war, read more here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kes ... id=1134917

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Sonindian Official Declaration of War On The New Pacific Order

After the advocation of the current Prime Minister & Head of SAAF as of December 5th, 2018, Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar, and the support of Head of Parliament as of now Aranwar, the Republic of Sonindia, and it's armies, declares war on The New Pacific Order & the Pacific. The Declaration has been issued in order to show disapproval and horror at the actions of the NPO through their consistent actions made in cold blood against both allies, and enemies. These include, but are not restricted to attempting, and even succeeding in coups on Lazarus, The North Pacific, and others. This declaration of war will stay in effect until it is determined by the Republic that the Government of the Pacific is no longer lead by the Francoist Government and the Imperial bloodline. The Republic has passed this Declaration through the Parliament with a 75% Majority, and the Approval of the Prime Minister, and then the Commander of the SAAF (currently the same nation). This means several things for the region, and the New Pacific Order, the least of which is the Sonindian Condemnation of the government of the Pacific, as well as current Emperor Aleisyr, and the rising heir to the throne East Durthang. This also means certain actions taken by the SAAF, and certain situational alliances. Henceforth until the Declaration of Peace:

  • The regional military, the SAAF, will partake in offensive maneuvers against the NPO in order to liberate the region from the raider government which seized control in 2003.
  • Sonindia will Officially Ally itself with the Anti-Pacific Coalition, or APC.
  • As in the tradition of Defenders, the region will not take any rewards should victory be secured. A native will be restored to the Delegacy, and a democracy established.
  • The region Officially declares a State of War, meaning contact with the Government of The Pacific of any kind will not be tolerated, and result in a banjection.
  • The region Officially condemns the Pacific, Aleisyr, and East Durthang, as well as disapproval, though not condemnation of Xoriet, Jar Wattinree, Myrth, and Japanese Schoolgirls.

Defender operations will not cease during the time period that Sonindia is at war, and thus, may be pulled away from full force attacks towards the NPO. Regions that must be defended will still be restored and defended. We acknowledge the Black Hawks also are a part of the APC, as well as several defender and raider organizations, but we further recognize The New Pacific Order as a greater evil, and thus reluctantly resort to cooperation with them. As Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar put it: "Raiders raid for the thrill, and defenders defend for the weak, but both keep a certain degree of civility and respectfulness (most of the time). The NPO is a toxic piece of [expletive]. Nothing civil in trying to coup your allies at all." While we do not recognize raiders as any force for good, we do recognize the necessity of many armies to take down this massive GCR, as only UCRs are taking up arms, such as Europeia. For these reasons, as well as the urgent need to liberate the natives of The Pacific, we declare war on the New Pacific Order. Hail the Trident, Bless the Defense of the Helpless.
With this statement, the Republic of Sonindia Officially Declares War on The New Pacific Order, the Pacific
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What do you guys think :lol:

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Postby Kesi Xina Minzu » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:41 pm

Well, as founder of the region, you cannot imagine how happy I am that we are going beyond just defending, we are proactively going out there and attempting to bring justice beyond our role as defenders!

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Postby Galiantus III » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:15 pm

Glad to see more and more regions waking up to the actions of the NPO and committing to put a stop. Especially glad to see defenders that recognize how fighting the NPO aligns with their stance on regional sovereignty.
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Postby DYP » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:36 pm

I'm a defender and i've never seen you before, new to the scene?

as well as the urgent need to liberate the natives of The Pacific, we declare war on the New Pacific Order

So the 'defender' region is going to help raid a GCR for the natives that don't want or need it in the first place? Oh deary deary me.

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Postby 94 Glocks » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:44 pm

The NPO invasion of The Pacific is the longest running raid in all of NationStates. It’s good to see defenders joining the NPO Delenda Est movement.

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Postby Hachetasser » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:49 pm

As suprising as it is, we support Sonindia.
This seems to be a long and petty raid. It is completely unfair to raid a region for so extensively with the sole purpose to disrupt things.

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Postby 94 Glocks » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:52 pm

Yeah! It’s not fair to the natives of The Pacific to be lorded over by the NPO raiders against their will.

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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:58 pm

DYP wrote:I'm a defender and i've never seen you before, new to the scene?

as well as the urgent need to liberate the natives of The Pacific, we declare war on the New Pacific Order

So the 'defender' region is going to help raid a GCR for the natives that don't want or need it in the first place? Oh deary deary me.

I dont quite think of it as a raid.

The natives of TP have been oppressed by the NPO for way to long.
NPO is not a democratic government, and the tactics used to enforce their rule are entirely unfair.

I see this more as a restoration of a democracy by the people, which is the essence of defending.

Because isn't defending restoring the native-chosen Delegate?
The natives of TP did not choose to be raided, and ruled by a Francoist government.
In the words of 94 Glocks:

94 Glocks wrote:Yeah! It’s not fair to the natives of The Pacific to be lorded over by the NPO raiders against their will.


If you want to know more about our defender operations, read our factbook:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1103105

Hope you enjoy ;D
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:33 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:<snip>

The early 2000s called, they want the ADN back.
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:52 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:<snip>

The early 2000s called, they want the ADN back.

Oh you mean the network which failed to defend The Pacific from the Francoist Raid in 2003?

Yeah, no doubt you would want them back, you are NPO, and they failed to do what APC is doing today.

APC will bring an end to this 15-year-long raid. Injustice and tyranny has reigned far too long.

Do you know anything about Social Contract?
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:59 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:The early 2000s called, they want the ADN back.

APC will bring an end to this 15-year-long raid. Injustice and tyranny has reigned far too long.

Which Pacific native do you plan on boosting to the Delegate seat? None of the original "raiders" are in government anymore, not for over a decade.
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Postby South Ccanda » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:07 pm

wow, everybody is declaring war on the NPO. Can we get The Black Hawks in on it too, or have they already declared war?
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:08 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:APC will bring an end to this 15-year-long raid. Injustice and tyranny has reigned far too long.

Which Pacific native do you plan on boosting to the Delegate seat? None of the original "raiders" are in government anymore, not for over a decade.

Since we are aligned with the APC, that is their prerogative.

I am already revealing too much.

The point is, an inherited raid, as a matter of Character and Purpose, cannot exist while others enjoy freedom. Bringing down oppression, and establishing democracy for those natives in TP is the most important thing.

South Ccanda wrote:wow, everybody is declaring war on the NPO. Can we get The Black Hawks in on it too, or have they already declared war?

They're already in it, just like Orisis, Europeia, and most other people. Fun fact, the region Europe is NPO aligned as their founder is an NPO senator. Nothing wrong with that, they seem to be okay with it, the situation isn't like it is in TP.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:09 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:Which Pacific native do you plan on boosting to the Delegate seat? None of the original "raiders" are in government anymore, not for over a decade.

Since we are aligned with the APC, that is their prerogative.

I am already revealing too much.

The point is, an inherited raid, as a matter of Character and Purpose, cannot exist while others enjoy freedom. Bringing down oppression, and establishing democracy for those natives in TP is the most important thing.

So... stating their intentions to bring down a native-installed government is "revealing too much"? That's amusing, really.
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Postby Bowzin » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:10 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Since we are aligned with the APC, that is their prerogative.

I am already revealing too much.

The point is, an inherited raid, as a matter of Character and Purpose, cannot exist while others enjoy freedom. Bringing down oppression, and establishing democracy for those natives in TP is the most important thing.

So... stating their intentions to bring down a native-installed government is "revealing too much"? That's amusing, really.

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Postby Jokesters » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:11 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Sonindia Declares war on the New Pacific Order!

I am happy to announce it, as such evil shouldn't be tolerated. I believe that the NPO's actions are not right, and should be punished.
I hope everyone else can support this too, here is a segment from our declaration of war, read more here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kes ... id=1134917
What do you guys think :lol:


The NPO is the sovereign government of The Pacific, Natives by definition are the people who will defend the government and the region to keep the environment how they like it. Personally, I'm a native and find it insulting that people want to remove my chosen government from power and place a puppet of theirs into a seat of power.
NPO dewenda est ;;w;;

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Postby 94 Socks » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:28 pm

Sounds like an NPO Raider to me. :o

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Postby Galiantus III » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:29 pm

DYP wrote:I'm a defender and i've never seen you before, new to the scene?

as well as the urgent need to liberate the natives of The Pacific, we declare war on the New Pacific Order

So the 'defender' region is going to help raid a GCR for the natives that don't want or need it in the first place? Oh deary deary me.

"Raid" - Not all military action is raiding. There is much more to this war than a simple fight for control over a random region that did nothing to provoke aggression, and given the actions of the NPO, defenders joining in the war would contribute to the general security of the GCRs. And importantly, this is not about conquest, this is about reform. You can't call this a raid.

"Natives don't want or need" - There isn't any popularly elected position in the NPO, any suggestion to change is swiftly silenced, and LoD isn't even a native of NS, so it is meaningless to say that natives don't want their government reformed. Natives of the Pacific actually have much more in common with the natives and governments of the other GCRs than they do with their own government. Most of them play NS by answering issues or RPing and are completely unaware of what the government of their region actually does, yet their endorsements continue to enable NPO subversion in foreign regions. Those who do try to get a voice in the government simply have no chance to voice their opinions, as they are inexperienced and viewed as possible spies. Removing the NPO from power in the Pacific won't affect natives virtually at all, except that those natives wishing to have a say in their regional government (not an RP one) might actually get the chance.

That all said, I should clarify that personally I am not in favor of blanket democracy within the GCRs. Delegate seats are military positions first and foremost, and should not be elected popularly, especially in smaller GCRs. The North Pacific can get away with it only because their population minimizes the power of an individual infiltrator relative to the region at large, and because their high endo-cap produces so much influence that any successful coup will have a nightmare of a time trying to actually control the region. For any other region, democracy should exist, but only on forums and discord.
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Postby Jokesters » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:39 pm

94 Socks wrote:Sounds like an NPO Raider to me. :o

I've been in the Pacific for my entire NS career call it as you want, but I'm native of the Pacific. If you call anyone associated with the NPO and in the Pacific whos been there for a while a raider, then your gonna have a hard time finding a "native". Pray tell in your own terms, what is your definition of a native?
NPO dewenda est ;;w;;

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Postby Galiantus III » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:43 pm

Jokesters wrote:
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Sonindia Declares war on the New Pacific Order!

I am happy to announce it, as such evil shouldn't be tolerated. I believe that the NPO's actions are not right, and should be punished.
I hope everyone else can support this too, here is a segment from our declaration of war, read more here: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kes ... id=1134917
What do you guys think :lol:


The NPO is the sovereign government of The Pacific, Natives by definition are the people who will defend the government and the region to keep the environment how they like it. Personally, I'm a native and find it insulting that people want to remove my chosen government from power and place a puppet of theirs into a seat of power.


Your government has no reason to listen to you. I'm sure they act nice towards you, but you're joking (unintentional pun, lol) if you think you actually have a say in how the government is run. You didn't choose them - they are all just puppets of your emperor - and he is just a puppet of the previous emperor. In my personal talks with other members of the APC, the general plan is that once we remove the NPO from power we will seek to involve the natives of the Pacific in organizing their own government.

I'm sorry if that sounds insulting to you, because I can guarantee everyone there only wants to help you. This is a win-win situation: we get to remove the government that usurped its position to try and conquer our regions, and you get to choose your own government. That is the goal. We just want a strong community and an equitable government in the Pacific. You and any other Pacific native are free to TG me or any other member of the ACN if you wish to assess our intentions.
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The NPO is basically North Korea, if North Korea colonized Mars and the Kims were inbred with Martians.

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Postby 94 Socks » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:43 pm

Certainly not someone like you who has joined the occupying forces that are subjecating the nations of The Pacific.

The defenders of Sonindia have a noble cause, and I hope they find success.

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:46 pm

Galiantus III wrote:
Jokesters wrote:
The NPO is the sovereign government of The Pacific, Natives by definition are the people who will defend the government and the region to keep the environment how they like it. Personally, I'm a native and find it insulting that people want to remove my chosen government from power and place a puppet of theirs into a seat of power.


Your government has no reason to listen to you. I'm sure they act nice towards you, but you're joking (unintentional pun, lol) if you think you actually have a say in how the government is run. You didn't choose them - they are all just puppets of your emperor - and he is just a puppet of the previous emperor. In my personal talks with other members of the APC, the general plan is that once we remove the NPO from power we will seek to involve the natives of the Pacific in organizing their own government.

I'm sorry if that sounds insulting to you, because I can guarantee everyone there only wants to help you. This is a win-win situation: we get to remove the government that usurped its position to try and conquer our regions, and you get to choose your own government. That is the goal. We just want a strong community and an equitable government in the Pacific. You and any other Pacific native are free to TG me or any other member of the ACN if you wish to assess our intentions.

>inb4 the natives set up NPO 2.0.
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Postby Greatest Cofrienolls » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:48 pm

Galiantus III wrote:
Jokesters wrote:
The NPO is the sovereign government of The Pacific, Natives by definition are the people who will defend the government and the region to keep the environment how they like it. Personally, I'm a native and find it insulting that people want to remove my chosen government from power and place a puppet of theirs into a seat of power.


Your government has no reason to listen to you. I'm sure they act nice towards you, but you're joking (unintentional pun, lol) if you think you actually have a say in how the government is run. You didn't choose them - they are all just puppets of your emperor - and he is just a puppet of the previous emperor. In my personal talks with other members of the APC, the general plan is that once we remove the NPO from power we will seek to involve the natives of the Pacific in organizing their own government.

I'm sorry if that sounds insulting to you, because I can guarantee everyone there only wants to help you. This is a win-win situation: we get to remove the government that usurped its position to try and conquer our regions, and you get to choose your own government. That is the goal. We just want a strong community and an equitable government in the Pacific. You and any other Pacific native are free to TG me or any other member of the ACN if you wish to assess our intentions.

Its true, we just want to better the Pacific. Again, this isn't even about R/D.

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Postby 94 Socks » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:49 pm

I look forward to one day helping the natives of The Pacific form a truly representative government that they desire, rather than this corrupt dictatorship that the NPO imposed on them.

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Postby Flame of Dio » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:53 pm

Many times in the recent past, people have claimed that the New Pacific Order is interested in silencing 'dissenters'. They have claimed further that we endorse, enforce and condone ideological purity. They have gone a step further in claiming that our government is 'closed off' to natives/residents of the Pacific.

All are untrue. For the purposes of this post, I will refer to these claims by a singular: that we (being the NPO) are interested in enforcing ideological purity among the denizens of the Pacific. Let's explore this argument for a moment.

Ideological purity as a whole implies that we believe our Emperor - i.e., the one who would - in a scenario where we do enforce ideological purity - make up our ideology - to be all-wise. He does not require counsel, for his wisdom is sufficient to move Pacifica onwards in the most efficient way possible.

Such a claim is factually incorrect. If all think the way the Emperor does, what is the purpose of any advisory body? Francoist thought believes in the unification of wisdom in the Emperor, by residents of the region, by citizens of the New Pacific Order, and by those who partake in the meritocratic bureaucracy that the New Pacific Order is made of. We believe that the Emperor is human. He is a man, and his fallibility is that of a man. For that very purpose, we have the Senate - a body meant to provide counsel to the Emperor, and aid in the process of directing the New Pacific Order's internal, military, and foreign agendas.

And that is but the beginning of the meritocracy that the New Pacific Order holds in its fold. Any resident who has been accepted as a citizen, and went on to earnestly aid in the management of the region, has found themselves to be appropriately managed into the Order. Promotions are given to those who deserve it. I personally have had many discussions with LoD where-in I straight-away called the NPO out on its current inadequacies.

The same can be done by participating in our meritocracy, by pointing out what is wrong, and what needs fixing. It is a Pacifican's right and duty to attempt to fix what is wrong in the Order. Go a step further, in-fact. Suggest that which has never been heard of before; propose the creation of institutions everyone else thought were of no use, if you truly believe it is for the betterment of the Order, and of the Pacific as a whole. No suggestion made in good faith is unwanted, though it is equally important to understand that not all suggestions will be implemented immediately, or perhaps at all. They all pass through the united wisdom that the Emperor, and by extension the New Pacific Order, represents.

One of my favorite quotes by a comrade I knew in another realm, Cortath/Blackbird, is the following: "If great minds think alike, so be it, but no great mind was ever forged in chains."

I'm going to put my laptop down now. Always happy to engage in fruitful debate that does not devolve into, "You don't know what you want". Such a claim is both unnecessary, and further, demeaning to the very essence of anyone's ability to think for themselves.

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