The Queer Supremacy

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Except when it got in his way.

See also: Trotsky.

The number of people who think that Trotsky was some sort of demsoc hero and the true successor of Lenin because he opposed Stalin is fucking hilarious.

Most Trotsky lovers fetishize the concept of the world revolution to a terrifying extent.

Thank Christ that meme of a pipe dream died at the doors of Warsaw.

[Vassenor]

Except when it got in his way.

See also: Trotsky.

The number of people who think that Trotsky was some sort of demsoc hero and the true successor of Lenin because he opposed Stalin is fucking hilarious.

Have you actually read Lenin's Testament? Where he said that Stalin should be removed from any positions of power within the party?

[Reikoku]

The number of people who think that Trotsky was some sort of demsoc hero and the true successor of Lenin because he opposed Stalin is fucking hilarious.

Have you actually read Lenin's Testament? Where he said that Stalin should be removed from any positions of power within the party?

Yes I have, probably more than you.

Stalin is too rude and this defect, although quite tolerable in our midst and in dealing among us Communists, becomes intolerable in a Secretary-General. That is why I suggest the comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post and appointing somebody else differing in all other respects from Comrade Stalin solely in the degree of being more tolerant, more loyal, more polite, and more considerate to the comrades, less capricious, etc. This circumstance may appear to be a negligible detail. But I think that from the standpoint of safeguards against a split, and from the standpoint of what I wrote above about the relationship between Stalin and Trotsky, it is not a detail, or it is a detail which can assume decisive importance.

Lenin did not believe that Stalin was fit for the role of Secretary General, but he certainly didn't want Stalin removed from "any position of power within the party." and the testament criticizes other major Bolshevik party officials as well.

[Auze]

The vice president thinks homosexuality is a disease that can be cured with electric shocks.

Whether true or not, the Vice President’s views are not legislation.

The vice president could believe that all cats should be machine gunned down at the Navajo reservation and once the President is out office at term end, no one will or should care.

[Eodor]

Have you actually read Lenin's Testament? Where he said that Stalin should be removed from any positions of power within the party?

Yes I have, probably more than you.

Stalin is too rude and this defect, although quite tolerable in our midst and in dealing among us Communists, becomes intolerable in a Secretary-General. That is why I suggest the comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post and appointing somebody else differing in all other respects from Comrade Stalin solely in the degree of being more tolerant, more loyal, more polite, and more considerate to the comrades, less capricious, etc. This circumstance may appear to be a negligible detail. But I think that from the standpoint of safeguards against a split, and from the standpoint of what I wrote above about the relationship between Stalin and Trotsky, it is not a detail, or it is a detail which can assume decisive importance.

Lenin did not believe that Stalin was fit for the role of Secretary General, but he certainly didn't want Stalin removed from "any position of power within the party." and the testament criticizes other major Bolshevik party officials as well.

Stalin actually offered to resign after it was released, but the central committee refused to allow it.

[Novus America]

Okay, you're going to have to explain this. Stalin's dedication to Lenin was borderline religious.

Except when it got in his way.

See also: Trotsky.

Stalin certainly like to pick at Trotsky, Stalin had an axe to grind...

Any way all three (Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin) were ruthless mass murders who had no qualms killing political opponents and others they considered undesirable.

[Autarkheia]

The number of people who think that Trotsky was some sort of demsoc hero and the true successor of Lenin because he opposed Stalin is fucking hilarious.

I used to think this when I was an edgy teen, but I now have to conclude that Trotsky would have become corrupt and dictatorial as well. It was inherent in the structure of the Soviet governmental system. Trotsky talked a lot about the need for democracy, but would never have allowed true pluralism. Same as Mao.

He would have been better than Stalin of course, but that's not setting the bar very high. Probably more like Tito.

[The New California Republic]

I really don't know how we have got on to the whole Lenin/Stalin/Trotsky thing in the context of the current thread.

[Autarkheia]

More interesting than the thread's original topic of "trans bad".

[Reikoku]

The number of people who think that Trotsky was some sort of demsoc hero and the true successor of Lenin because he opposed Stalin is fucking hilarious.

I used to think this when I was an edgy teen, but I now have to conclude that Trotsky would have become corrupt and dictatorial as well. It was inherent in the structure of the Soviet governmental system. Trotsky talked a lot about the need for democracy, but would never have allowed true pluralism. Same as Mao.

He would have been better than Stalin of course, but that's not setting the bar very high. Probably more like Tito.

Trotsky had absolutely no problem crushing other socialists (Mensheviks, Free Territory, Kronstadt, etc.) who disagreed with him until finally he was the one being dealt with by his rival. The fact he has managed to recast himself as some sort of moderate is one of the greatest historical ironies of the 20th century.

[Cekoviu]

More interesting than the thread's original topic of "trans bad".

*queer bad

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I used to think this when I was an edgy teen, but I now have to conclude that Trotsky would have become corrupt and dictatorial as well. It was inherent in the structure of the Soviet governmental system. Trotsky talked a lot about the need for democracy, but would never have allowed true pluralism. Same as Mao.

He would have been better than Stalin of course, but that's not setting the bar very high. Probably more like Tito.

Trotsky had absolutely no problem crushing other socialists (Mensheviks, Free Territory, Kronstadt, etc.) who disagreed with him until finally he was the one being dealt with by his rival. The fact he has managed to recast himself as some sort of moderate is one of the greatest historical ironies of the 20th century.

Trotsky was always in the minority of socialists. As a Menshevik and other socialist movement members, he had never agreed with the ones in charge. He was less radical than Stalin and Lenin, but people like them are never moderate.

[Hurdergaryp]

Trotsky had absolutely no problem crushing other socialists (Mensheviks, Free Territory, Kronstadt, etc.) who disagreed with him until finally he was the one being dealt with by his rival. The fact he has managed to recast himself as some sort of moderate is one of the greatest historical ironies of the 20th century.

Trotsky was always in the minority of socialists. As a Menshevik and other socialist movement members, he had never agreed with the ones in charge. He was less radical than Stalin and Lenin, but people like them are never moderate.

Not much room for moderates back in the early days of the Soviet Union, given the raging civil war and everything.

[The New California Republic]

Trotsky was always in the minority of socialists. As a Menshevik and other socialist movement members, he had never agreed with the ones in charge. He was less radical than Stalin and Lenin, but people like them are never moderate.

To be fair Lenin did initiate the New Economic Policy, so he did have some capacity to compromise.

[Autarkheia]

Trotsky had absolutely no problem crushing other socialists (Mensheviks, Free Territory, Kronstadt, etc.) who disagreed with him until finally he was the one being dealt with by his rival. The fact he has managed to recast himself as some sort of moderate is one of the greatest historical ironies of the 20th century.

Which is the thing - I had no idea he did any of that until some anarchists told me about it on the internet. In history class we were just told that Trotsky opposed Stalin and got killed for his trouble, which makes him sound like a good guy. There is also a widespread belief that Lenin was a good guy and his atrocities are glossed over.

[Liriena]

The number of people who think that Trotsky was some sort of demsoc hero and the true successor of Lenin because he opposed Stalin is fucking hilarious.

Most Trotsky lovers fetishize the concept of the world revolution to a terrifying extent.

Thank Christ that meme of a pipe dream died at the doors of Warsaw.

Trotsky? More like Thotsky amirightfellas

Anyway, all hail our breadmom, Kropotkin.

[Reikoku]

Most Trotsky lovers fetishize the concept of the world revolution to a terrifying extent.

Thank Christ that meme of a pipe dream died at the doors of Warsaw.

Trotsky? More like Thotsky amirightfellas

Anyway, all hail our breadmom, Kropotkin.

* Ikki Kita

[Autarkheia]

I love the idea of "right-wing socialism", it's got to be my favourite political oxymoron aside from when Marxists talk about "the people's democratic dictatorship".

[Liriena]

Trotsky? More like Thotsky amirightfellas

Anyway, all hail our breadmom, Kropotkin.

* Ikki Kita

Ewwww

[Liriena]

I love the idea of "right-wing socialism", it's got to be my favourite political oxymoron aside from when Marxists talk about "the people's democratic dictatorship".

I personally get more enjoyment out of ancaps. Scratch an ancap, and you'll find an avowed Pinochetist under the surface every single time.

[Reikoku]

* Ikki Kita

Ewwww

Asia for the Asians. =)

[Autarkheia]

This Ikki Kita seems like a fashy boi.

I personally get more enjoyment out of ancaps. Scratch an ancap, and you'll find an avowed Pinochetist under the surface every single time.

I think the right-libertarians know this too, because they get super defensive if you bring up the alt-right pipeline and vehemently deny it's a thing.

[Reikoku]

This Ikki Kita seems like a fashy boi.

Labeling Asian figures as "fascist" is very Eurocentric, ngl.

[Vassenor]

This Ikki Kita seems like a fashy boi.

Labeling Asian figures as "fascist" is very Eurocentric, ngl.

I mean he -was- a right wing statist.

[Autarkheia]

Labeling Asian figures as "fascist" is very Eurocentric, ngl.

Just because fascism originated in Europe doesn't mean only Europeans can be fascist. So did communism, and no one argues Asian communism isn't a thing.

I generally think of Japanese imperialism as being a form of fascism, though I know there are many reasons not to. This gets into the classic problem of defining what fascism even is.