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Postby Mardla » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:29 am

As many of you are aware, Twitter recently banned "misgendering" people, i.e. referring to them by sex.

Putting aside the question of whether amputation of male genitals actually turns one into a female, I bring to you something perhaps more critical: while Twitter is privately owned, what they're doing is quite possibly indicative of future state law. That is, making it criminal hate speech to "misgender" someone. The questions here are: is this likely, and do you support it?

My answers are that it is likely to happen in some countries (not the U.S.), possibly even become an EU law.

As to whether I support, I don't. It would be forced ideological redefinition of our words, which is a very bad precedent.

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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:31 am

Mardla wrote:As many of you are aware, Twitter recently banned "misgendering" people, i.e. referring to them by sex.

Putting aside the question of whether amputation of male genitals actually turns one into a female, I bring to you something perhaps more critical: while Twitter is privately owned, what they're doing is quite possibly indicative of future state law. That is, making it criminal hate speech to "misgender" someone. The questions here are: is this likely, and do you support it?

My answers are that it is likely to happen in some countries (not the U.S.), possibly even become an EU law.

As to whether I support, I don't. It would be forced ideological redefinition of our words, which is a very bad precedent.

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Postby Valgora » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:33 am

I'm going to point out that this site actually will punish you for purposely misgendering people when you know what their preferred pronouns.

Also, I find it kinda stupid that you think misgendering people is the same as referring to them by sex.
I'd argue that most people don't refer to others by sex, they refer to them based off of gender.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:34 am

I very much support anti-misgendering laws, and all sorts of anti-normal people laws.

Gives my ilk of political views greater support than we ourselves could ever garner naturally.
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Postby Estonland » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:34 am

The OP does seem to have an obsession with LGBT people
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Postby Kannap » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:37 am

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Postby Kannap » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:38 am

Estonland wrote:The OP does seem to have an obsession with LGBT people


That's because LGBT people are the best people.
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Postby Valgora » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:38 am

Estonland wrote:The OP does seem to have an obsession with LGBT people

Maybe it's reaction formation.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:40 am

Kannap wrote:
Estonland wrote:The OP does seem to have an obsession with LGBT people


That's because LGBT people are the best people.

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Postby Sicaris » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:41 am

Anti-“misgendering” laws are stupid.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:41 am

Kannap wrote:
Estonland wrote:The OP does seem to have an obsession with LGBT people


That's because LGBT people are the best people.


I mean, homosexual males on average tend to be really polite and chill dudes, so they do have some credit.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:41 am

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As for Twitter, if a baker can legally but unethically make the poor business decision of refusing to do business with a gay couple, then Twitter can change its Terms of Service to ban those who deliberately misgenders people.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
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That's because LGBT people are the best people.

Homo superior?


Exactly, you've got it.
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Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Kannap wrote:
That's because LGBT people are the best people.


I mean, homosexual males on average tend to be really polite and chill dudes, so they do have some credit.


Is this how I pump up my credit score?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:45 am

Kannap wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I mean, homosexual males on average tend to be really polite and chill dudes, so they do have some credit.


Is this how I pump up my credit score?


By being a nice boi?

Yeah, it earns reputation points.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:47 am

So is there anything to discuss here or is it just vague paranoia about having to treat an "other" group as actual people and not subhumans?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:49 am

Kannap wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I mean, homosexual males on average tend to be really polite and chill dudes, so they do have some credit.


Is this how I pump up my credit score?

Can I add it to my résumé?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:52 am

Vassenor wrote:So is there anything to discuss here or is it just vague paranoia about having to treat an "other" group as actual people and not subhumans?

Also it's a crime against English to call someone by pronouns not based on their genitals.
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:52 am

But why do you want to force your speech onto a person you don't like, but you don't want to just avoid talking to them? It would make far more sense to avoid such people entirely and blow them off when they violate your red-line of gender, why would you then go 'no, we have to speak, and you have to hear from me the type of word I think you deserve!!' -?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:52 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So is there anything to discuss here or is it just vague paranoia about having to treat an "other" group as actual people and not subhumans?

Also it's a crime against English to call someone by pronouns not based on their genitals.


So yes.
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Postby Hrythingia » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:54 am

Twitter is an private company, it can do as it pleases for the most part. Not saying its not stupid -it is, but its their business model.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:57 am

Mardla wrote:As to whether I support, I don't. It would be forced ideological redefinition of our words, which is a very bad precedent.

Those in power or ascending to power can control the use of words, just like how Christianity inverted/distorted the meaning of Good and Bad in comparison to the Greeks. The precedent has already been set, you are a few thousand years too late.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:59 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Is this how I pump up my credit score?


By being a nice boi?

Yeah, it earns reputation points.


Sounds like a perfect world. People being nice to each other and niceness scores displayed on a floating billboard above their heads.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:00 am

Kannap wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
By being a nice boi?

Yeah, it earns reputation points.


Sounds like a perfect world. People being nice to each other and niceness scores displayed on a floating billboard above their heads.


Frankly, my personal motto is "Be nice to me and I'll be nice to you".

Don't care about how you look like, who you decide to screw and marry, and stuff...just don't be a douche.
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