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Macron...

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Like the guy but not his policies
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:46 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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Uuh...


The liberation of all peoples and the destruction of this greed-driven system of Capitalism is our only way forward from the potential hell we've created.


I think it would be to the benefit of us both to seek a more moderate solution, don't you think?

One that doesn't involve widespread deaths.

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Postby Torrocca » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:47 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The liberation of all peoples and the destruction of this greed-driven system of Capitalism is our only way forward from the potential hell we've created.


I think it would be to the benefit of us both to seek a more moderate solution, don't you think?

One that doesn't involve widespread deaths.


Moderation isn't going to liberate the peoples of the world or bring an end to this greed-driven system that lords over humanity and has brought us near to the precipice of our prosperity and our destruction.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I think it would be to the benefit of us both to seek a more moderate solution, don't you think?

One that doesn't involve widespread deaths.


Moderation isn't going to liberate the peoples of the world or bring an end to this greed-driven system that lords over humanity and has brought us near to the precipice of our prosperity and our destruction.


Implying some "world revolution" wouldn't cause an ungodly amount of associated woes.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:51 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The liberation of all peoples and the destruction of this greed-driven system of Capitalism is our only way forward from the potential hell we've created.


I think it would be to the benefit of us both to seek a more moderate solution, don't you think?

One that doesn't involve widespread deaths.

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Postby Torrocca » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:51 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Moderation isn't going to liberate the peoples of the world or bring an end to this greed-driven system that lords over humanity and has brought us near to the precipice of our prosperity and our destruction.


Implying some "world revolution" wouldn't cause an ungodly amount of associated woes.


Nothing worse than what's been caused globally already by the current system of greed. The riots in France are occurring specifically because this bullshit's hitting its breaking point, after all. We can't survive off greed.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:12 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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Sorry, but communism is equally as worthless.


Communism is the only way we'll save the world.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:54 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sorry, but communism is equally as worthless.


Communism is the only way we'll save the world.

Sure. As long as it’s not some silly libertarian communism.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:56 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I think it would be to the benefit of us both to seek a more moderate solution, don't you think?

One that doesn't involve widespread deaths.

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Except it’s more of a rebellion and less a revolution
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Postby Linderman » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:00 am

Should I or should I not be sympathetic to the protestors?
Do they have a point? A good one?

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:12 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Communism is the only way we'll save the world.

Sure. As long as it’s not some silly libertarian communism.


Communism is like a spotty banana...

It belongs in the damn trash.

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Postby Nakena » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:01 am

To be fair, Macron is probably the last chance for the 5th Republic.

He did mistakes though, severe ones.

After him the populists.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:06 am

Nakena wrote:To be fair, Macron is probably the last chance for the 5th Republic.

He did mistakes though, severe ones.

After him the populists.


I mean, I don't think that Le Pen is going to declare the Vichy State 2: Pétain's Boogaloo, just ride the wave to victory by promising to fix Macron's no-nos.

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Postby Nakena » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:14 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Nakena wrote:To be fair, Macron is probably the last chance for the 5th Republic.

He did mistakes though, severe ones.

After him the populists.


I mean, I don't think that Le Pen is going to declare the Vichy State 2: Pétain's Boogaloo, just ride the wave to victory by promising to fix Macron's no-nos.


Theres still too many French who would never vote for Le Pen because their Vichy ancestry, but who knows who else could show up in the next years.

Marion Marichal is still out there.

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Postby Shofercia » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:30 pm

Linderman wrote:Should I or should I not be sympathetic to the protestors?
Do they have a point? A good one?


They have a very good point. Under Macron's Administration, they saw the deterioration of their Living Standards, so now they're showing Macron's Elites what deteriorating Living Standards look like. I didn't realize that they'd still be going, but then again, I heard that the French are a riot!

Also: https://www.thelocal.fr/20181219/disgru ... h-protests

French police are being urged close police stations on Wednesday as part of a protest over pay and conditions - including a demand to be paid the 23 million hours of overtime they are owed - as the government scrambles to quell growing unrest among the country's forces of law and order.
After the yellow vests, it's now the turn of the blue vests (gilets bleus) to show their anger as French police unions are calling on officers to picket France's police stations on Wednesday and only answer emergency calls as they fight for better working conditions and pay.

Talks were held between police unions and the Interior Minister Christophe Castaner on Tuesday but they failed to find a solution to quell the anger. On Wednesday, when talks will continue, police unions have urged members to "do the minimum" meaning only respond to emergencies. They have also been encouraged to block the entrances of local police stations (commissariats).

"Faced with this irresponsibility [of the government], we are forced to be irresponsible in our actions," said police union leader Frédéric Lagache. One police union is promising action in January. Police union Alliance is calling for a "black day for the police" in France on December 19th.


Any updates on that?
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Postby Phoenicaea » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:38 am

^@Shofercia, this poster should definitely be a paid 'false news' opinionist account. the lenght and the nonsense of the posts, and the sentences it uses*.

there is reasonable doubt, whoever may write, still it is far too cliche'. they are a bunch of paid account, here.

*see, the sentence it has done, in the post above. the keywords, the pre-cooked sentence, the assiduity, and the standard references.

it is deninitely user's fault, if you can t see it, it will grow larger.

(you see a repetita, twice. (Macron's Administration) and the talkshow used words: 'Macron's Elites what deteriorating Living Standards'.

the keywords are outlined other than repeated, the posts come at constant interval, in a given quite same abundance, then pause, and again).

then the try of keeping the news it has blowed ('Any accounts for that?'). this is post storm to influence a child, however. it means the forum is supposed not be so intelligent.

if wasn t, a more clever influence of users would be searched. I probably supposed who does it, it is people in need of some little cash, not professional.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:54 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:

I mean, that's true insofar as we did it thrice (four times technically since we had two competing generals coup-ing with popular support at the same time) to put military strongman into power but I'm not sure that was the point you wanted to make.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:56 am

Torrocca wrote:[
The police are becoming comrades, which is all I'm happy for. Let them no longer be tools of the oppressors, but fighters of liberty instead!

Again, if the military and police get involved, you aren't going to get a "Communist revolution" ma boi, you gonna get a Boulanger and that's all.
Torrocca wrote:Nothing worse than what's been caused globally already by the current system of greed. The riots in France are occurring specifically because this bullshit's hitting its breaking point, after all. We can't survive off greed.

Nah. It's really just because we hate Macron tbh.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:13 am

Phoenicaea wrote:^@Shofercia, this poster should definitely be a paid 'false news' opinionist account. the lenght and the nonsense of the posts, and the sentences it uses*.

there is reasonable doubt, whoever may write, still it is far too cliche'. they are a bunch of paid account, here.

*see, the sentence it has done, in the post above. the keywords, the pre-cooked sentence, the assiduity, and the standard references.

it is deninitely user's fault, if you can t see it, it will grow larger.

(you see a repetita, twice. (Macron's Administration) and the talkshow used words: 'Macron's Elites what deteriorating Living Standards'.

the keywords are outlined other than repeated, the posts come at constant interval, in a given quite same abundance, then pause, and again).

then the try of keeping the news it has blowed ('Any accounts for that?'). this is post storm to influence a child, however. it means the forum is supposed not be so intelligent.

if wasn t, a more clever influence of users would be searched. I probably supposed who does it, it is people in need of some little cash, not professional.

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Seriously though, all you're proving is that the guy's views are shared, he uses phrases that are in the language, has a consistent posting speed and style and uses rhetorical phrases. Stuff a human can be doing.
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Postby Page » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:48 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The liberation of all peoples and the destruction of this greed-driven system of Capitalism is our only way forward from the potential hell we've created.


I think it would be to the benefit of us both to seek a more moderate solution, don't you think?

One that doesn't involve widespread deaths.


A moderate solution works when facing a moderate problem, but an extreme solution is necessary when there is an extreme problem. I think there are several good reasons to believe that the current world order is extremely harmful.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:20 am

^ @Petrolheadia, pardon that is not what I mean. surely he s not a pc, it is a person writing down. it is an account paid some tenth of cents per post.

I can t always write properly, still, I please you, pay attention. pay attention to this. it is sufficient a pair of to ruin the forum.

the previous posts were particularly worse than others, so that you can see it easely.

you need few attention, please you all. because the forum is quite useless like that. be smart.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:00 am

Phoenicaea wrote:^ @Petrolheadia, pardon that is not what I mean. surely he s not a pc, it is a person writing down. it is an account paid some tenth of cents per post.

Or maybe he is an actual person who supoorts Russia?

Phoenicaea wrote:I can t always write properly

And when the same becomes true for him, he's a Russian troll.

Phoenicaea wrote:the previous posts were particularly worse than others,

He struggles with some parts of English. Is that inhuman?
Phoenicaea wrote:so that you can see it easely.

you need few attention, please you all. because the forum is quite useless like that. be smart.

I guess this language is English?
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