Missionary killed after trying to convert isolated tribe

[Minzerland II]

They know the consequences of their work, that it could be utilised militantly by others? ‘Nah, man, it wasn’t meant for war!’ Yet they make it anyway. Missionaries, in this regard, are not much different, no? Their works could be used by people as a means of pacification or conquest. The comparison is only fair in my small-mind.

Then don’t go engaging in the conversation, manoeuvring yourself into a position where you seem to agree to the inane maligning of missionaries as ‘deathbringers’.

Are you actually for fucking real right now?
Missionaries are directly responsible for their own fucking actions.

Then don’t go engaging in the conversation

Then don't make stupid claims about 'scientists killing us all'.
It makes you sound like an ignorant Luddite.

So are scientists, they’re accomplices just as much as missionaries can be in conquest. Them and their work are just as much ‘deathbringers’ as missionaries are. You just hold science to a different level, a different standard from the rest. It does no wrong and it’s operatives have no culpability.

The luddites were wholesome creatures.

[Minzerland II]

The data wouldn’t be anymore accurate than what The Grims stated, my friend. Trackrecord of missionaries as deathbringers is 100%. I’ll even quote The Grims for your reference!

‘I still wonder what the trackrecord of missionaries as deathbringers is. South America, North America, Africa etc seem to imply something close to 100 percent.’

Once again deflecting to some other claim instead of trying to back your own.

You’re deflecting from my points by accusing me of deflection.

[Genivaria]

Are you actually for fucking real right now?
Missionaries are directly responsible for their own fucking actions.

Then don't make stupid claims about 'scientists killing us all'.
It makes you sound like an ignorant Luddite.

So are scientists, they’re accomplices just as much as missionaries can be in conquest. Them and their work are just as much ‘deathbringers’ as missionaries are. You just hold science to a different level, a different standard from the rest. It does no wrong and it’s operatives have no culpability.

The luddites were wholesome creatures.

Then you're speaking out of ignorance.

You just hold science to a different level

Because it IS different, science is merely a method of understanding the world around us, the fact that we have hysterical people like you who buy into nonsense about the 'evil cackling scientists' says more about you than anything.

The luddites were wholesome creatures

This explains a great deal honestly.

[Genivaria]

Once again deflecting to some other claim instead of trying to back your own.

You’re deflecting from my points by accusing me of deflection.

Oh for fucks sake this is childish.

[Minzerland II]

So are scientists, they’re accomplices just as much as missionaries can be in conquest. Them and their work are just as much ‘deathbringers’ as missionaries are. You just hold science to a different level, a different standard from the rest. It does no wrong and it’s operatives have no culpability.

The luddites were wholesome creatures.

Then you're speaking out of ignorance.

You just hold science to a different level

Because it IS different, science is merely a method of understanding the world around us, the fact that we have hysterical people like you who buy into nonsense about the 'evil cackling scientists' says more about you than anything.

The luddites were wholesome creatures

This explains a great deal honestly.

I see no problem. We all speak out of ignorance. This thread a prime example! Look at you and your attempts to rehabilitate sciences reputation and their stature, for example.

Missionary work is simply a method of understanding the world as well, I am told. That you buy into the ‘evil, cackling and bullying missionary’ is very telling to me. Atheists/secularist/scientists, amirite? They’re responsible for more deaths than anyone in the world, more so than the missionary!

Wholesomeness is good, atheists are degenerates if they disagree.

[Minzerland II]

You’re deflecting from my points by accusing me of deflection.

Oh for fucks sake this is childish.

No u

[FelrikTheDeleted]

They know the consequences of their work, that it could be utilised militantly by others? ‘Nah, man, it wasn’t meant for war!’ Yet they make it anyway. Missionaries, in this regard, are not much different, no? Their works could be used by people as a means of pacification or conquest. The comparison is only fair in my small-mind.

Then don’t go engaging in the conversation, manoeuvring yourself into a position where you seem to agree to the inane maligning of missionaries as ‘deathbringers’.

Are you actually for fucking real right now?
Missionaries are directly responsible for their own fucking actions.

Then don’t go engaging in the conversation

Then don't make stupid claims about 'scientists killing us all'.
It makes you sound like an ignorant Luddite.

Mate, I thought it was pretty obvious considering the language he is using, although it must not be because you seem to be falling for it at this moment, but he isn’t being serious. He’s trying to demonstrate the ridiculousness of the original assertion, namely that missionaries are ‘deathbringers’, by applying the same reasoning to scientists. In other words, he’s trying to make you think, “that idea is stupid”. He’s also fucking with you, because he knows it pisses you off.

[The Alma Mater]

An intruiging question, but not one that would actually answer the question asked (a syou are perfectly well aware, so please stop deflecting).
Feel free to share the data though - you made a positive claim, so you should provide the evidece.

The data wouldn’t be anymore accurate than what The Grims stated, my friend. Trackrecord of missionaries as deathbringers is 100%. I’ll even quote The Grims for your reference!

‘I still wonder what the trackrecord of missionaries as deathbringers is. South America, North America, Africa etc seem to imply something close to 100 percent.’

And is that false ? The native Americans, Aboriginals, Aztecs etc (sorry, I liked the alliteration too much to mention others) certainly suffered greatly under the arrival of christianity. Through disease (both accidentally and intentionally spread), conquest, subjugation, enslavement, genocide etc. etc.

If one can hold the missionaries personally responsibly for that is debateable - but they certainly were "heralds of doom" in many cases.

The question one should ask is even "is there any place on earth where the arrival of christians was a good thing for the native population" ?

[Minzerland II]

The data wouldn’t be anymore accurate than what The Grims stated, my friend. Trackrecord of missionaries as deathbringers is 100%. I’ll even quote The Grims for your reference!

‘I still wonder what the trackrecord of missionaries as deathbringers is. South America, North America, Africa etc seem to imply something close to 100 percent.’

And is that false ? The native Americans, Aboriginals, Aztecs etc (sorry, I liked the alliteration too much to mention others) certainly suffered greatly under the arrival of christianity. Through disease (both accidentally and intentionally spread), conquest, subjugation, enslavement, genocide etc. etc.

If one can hold the missionaries personally responsibly for that is debateable - but they certainly were "heralds of doom".

And so are scientists/secularists/atheists, my friend! Don’t you see? Science ‘heralded the doom of many’, the Earth, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Hisashi Ouchi, communism in the Soviet Union, etc., etc. Those missionaries certainly heralded the ‘doom’, that is, the secular powers that conquered the Americans, Aboriginals and Aztecs.

[Minzerland II]

The appropriate question is this: Has, wherever science has manifested, it benefited anyone? The answer is, ultimately, no!

[The Emerald Legion]

The appropriate question is this: Has, wherever science has manifested, it benefited anyone? The answer is, ultimately, no!

I'm sorry, what?

[The Alma Mater]

And is that false ? The native Americans, Aboriginals, Aztecs etc (sorry, I liked the alliteration too much to mention others) certainly suffered greatly under the arrival of christianity. Through disease (both accidentally and intentionally spread), conquest, subjugation, enslavement, genocide etc. etc.

If one can hold the missionaries personally responsibly for that is debateable - but they certainly were "heralds of doom".

And so are scientists/secularists/atheists, my friend! Don’t you see? Science ‘heralded the doom of many’, the Earth, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Hisashi Ouchi, communism in the Soviet Union, etc., etc. Those missionaries certainly heralded the ‘doom’, that is, the secular powers that conquered the Americans, Aboriginals and Aztecs.

You do realise that quite a significant number of scientists is christian, right ?

[The Black Forrest]

And so are scientists/secularists/atheists, my friend! Don’t you see? Science ‘heralded the doom of many’, the Earth, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Hisashi Ouchi, communism in the Soviet Union, etc., etc. Those missionaries certainly heralded the ‘doom’, that is, the secular powers that conquered the Americans, Aboriginals and Aztecs.

You do realise that quite a significant number of scientists is christian, right ?

But are they REAL Christians.

[Andsed]

The appropriate question is this: Has, wherever science has manifested, it benefited anyone? The answer is, ultimately, no!

Oh so medicine that saves millions of lives is not science? Science has done more good for the world than religion ever has.

[The Blaatschapen]

Your unfounded 'guarantee' means nothing.

They’re 100% founded! Nuclear bombs in themselves could wipe all of mankind off the face of the planet within minutes. Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Science has borne fruits of destruction far greater than any other mankind has wrought.

President Truman was a Christian.

And this is wildly offtopic

[Dogmeat]

The guy traveled half the world to bully an island of ~100 primitives into submitting to his religion, a religion that already dominates the entire world. In an island inhabited by people who have never bothered anyone but don't want anyone to bother them as well.

The real victims are the people who fell for the christian missionary a few centuries ago and had their lands stolen in exchange for a bible. If only they were as cautious as the sentinelese are today.

Poor Frisians for example

Another tribe no one can communicate with.

[Dogmeat]

The appropriate question is this: Has, wherever science has manifested, it benefited anyone? The answer is, ultimately, no!

No one has ever said this over the internet and not sounded like the worst kind of unthinking hypocrite.

[Salus Maior]

Missionaries really are the lowest of the low.

The guy traveled half the world to bully an island of ~100 primitives into submitting to his religion, a religion that already dominates the entire world. In an island inhabited by people who have never bothered anyone but don't want anyone to bother them as well.

The real victims are the people who fell for the christian missionary a few centuries ago and had their lands stolen in exchange for a bible. If only they were as cautious as the sentinelese are today.

How was one unarmed guy going to "bully" a tribe of known murderers into anything?

[Salus Maior]

And is that false ? The native Americans, Aboriginals, Aztecs etc (sorry, I liked the alliteration too much to mention others) certainly suffered greatly under the arrival of christianity. Through disease (both accidentally and intentionally spread), conquest, subjugation, enslavement, genocide etc. etc.

If one can hold the missionaries personally responsibly for that is debateable - but they certainly were "heralds of doom" in many cases.

The question one should ask is even "is there any place on earth where the arrival of christians was a good thing for the native population" ?

Ah yes, the Aztecs truly suffered. They had to stop keeping other tribes as cattle so they could rip their hearts out out of fear that the sun wouldn't rise. Poor innocent souls.

And as for your rather stupid question, yes.

[Kowani]

And is that false ? The native Americans, Aboriginals, Aztecs etc (sorry, I liked the alliteration too much to mention others) certainly suffered greatly under the arrival of christianity. Through disease (both accidentally and intentionally spread), conquest, subjugation, enslavement, genocide etc. etc.

If one can hold the missionaries personally responsibly for that is debateable - but they certainly were "heralds of doom" in many cases.

The question one should ask is even "is there any place on earth where the arrival of christians was a good thing for the native population" ?

Ah yes, the Aztecs truly suffered. They had to stop keeping other tribes as cattle so they could rip their hearts out out of fear that the sun wouldn't rise. Poor innocent souls.

And as for your rather stupid question, yes.

Yeah, the Aztecs was a very bad example. But, by and large, the kind pf genocide that mercenaries perpetrated (knowingly or not) was on a different scale. And, if we consider it unknowing, you'd think after the third town got sick, they'd realuze that maybe something was wrong.

[Salus Maior]

Ah yes, the Aztecs truly suffered. They had to stop keeping other tribes as cattle so they could rip their hearts out out of fear that the sun wouldn't rise. Poor innocent souls.

And as for your rather stupid question, yes.

Yeah, the Aztecs was a very bad example. But, by and large, the kind pf genocide that mercenaries perpetrated (knowingly or not) was on a different scale. And, if we consider it unknowing, you'd think after the third town got sick, they'd realuze that maybe something was wrong.

Considering people didn't know about germs or really how diseases worked in general then, you can't possibly think that the diseases were intentionally spread.

[Kowani]

Yeah, the Aztecs was a very bad example. But, by and large, the kind pf genocide that mercenaries perpetrated (knowingly or not) was on a different scale. And, if we consider it unknowing, you'd think after the third town got sick, they'd realuze that maybe something was wrong.

Considering people didn't know about germs or really how diseases worked in general then, you can't possibly think that the diseases were intentionally spread.

Ignoring the smallpox blankets for a minute, I think there was a very good quote here on NS. "People may not have known what caused the plague, but they still knew not to go near an infected town,"

[FelrikTheDeleted]

The appropriate question is this: Has, wherever science has manifested, it benefited anyone? The answer is, ultimately, no!

No one has ever said this over the internet and not sounded like the worst kind of unthinking hypocrite.

Why are you taking this seriously?

[The Black Forrest]

Yeah, the Aztecs was a very bad example. But, by and large, the kind pf genocide that mercenaries perpetrated (knowingly or not) was on a different scale. And, if we consider it unknowing, you'd think after the third town got sick, they'd realuze that maybe something was wrong.

Considering people didn't know about germs or really how diseases worked in general then, you can't possibly think that the diseases were intentionally spread.

Hmmm? They probably did. You can find references from the time of the Hittite driving victims of a disease into enemy lands to cause an epidemic. Middle ages had bio warfare. Small pox as mentioned.....

[Petrasylvania]

The laws of India take precedence over their missionary work.

No. God is above and beyond laws crafted by me, and non Christians at that.

So in other words, "Fuck Caesar!"