The California Problem: What to do?

[Knessniet]

California has a few issues, such as:

- The highest taxes in the nation.
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/fu ... /L6HPAVqSF
- A housing crisis.
https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/californ ... 60875.html
- San Francisco literally had to make a "Poop Patrol".
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/hea ... 153517.php
- Rampant homelessness.
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/10/ ... melessness
- Huge amounts of illegal immigrants.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/cal ... hing-back/
- And more!

So, what should be done about it? Personally, I think the whole state needs new management. Jerry Brown has been governor for a while, and the issues haven't gotten any better. Why not try something else, instead of hitting yourself with a shovel again and again? Also, don't touch that shovel, the Poop Patrol used it.

[Farnhamia]

Just a suggestion from your friendly neighborhood Mod, you might want to provide sources for each of those problems. Also, if this thread is here just to bash California, it'll get locked.

You spelled "problem" wrong.

[Knessniet]

Just a suggestion from your friendly neighborhood Mod, you might want to provide sources for each of those problems. Also, if this thread is here just to bash California, it'll get locked.

You spelled "problem" wrong.

Thanks for the input!

This is not meant to bash California, it is for a discussion of how to fix it's problems. Also, I will find sources, I just have to find the articles I read.

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California has a few issues, such as:

- The highest taxes in the nation.
- A housing crisis.
- San Francisco literally had to make a "Poop Patrol".
- Rampant homelessness.
- Huge amounts of illegal immigrants.
- And more!

So, what should be done about it? Personally, I think the whole state needs new management. Jerry Brown has been governor for a while, and the issues haven't gotten any better. Why not try something else, instead of hitting yourself with a shovel again and again? Also, don't touch that shovel, the Poop Patrol used it.

Responding in order to your points:

- Give to the people what their taxes paid for
- Build affordable public housing
- Build free public toilets all over the city
- Give the homeless homes
- Give everyone legal status
- And more.

[Knessniet]

California has a few issues, such as:

- The highest taxes in the nation.
- A housing crisis.
- San Francisco literally had to make a "Poop Patrol".
- Rampant homelessness.
- Huge amounts of illegal immigrants.
- And more!

So, what should be done about it? Personally, I think the whole state needs new management. Jerry Brown has been governor for a while, and the issues haven't gotten any better. Why not try something else, instead of hitting yourself with a shovel again and again? Also, don't touch that shovel, the Poop Patrol used it.

Responding in order to your points:

- Give to the people what their taxes paid for
- Build affordable public housing
- Build free public toilets all over the city
- Give the homeless homes
- Give everyone legal status
- And more.

And how do we pay for this?

[Nakena]

Lets start with some real problems.

The whole City of Paradise literally burned down today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/ ... 64830a4c61

Footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9Tg9Z-Hdg

[Knessniet]

Lets start with some real problems.

The whole City of Paradise literally burned down today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/ ... 64830a4c61

Footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9Tg9Z-Hdg

I said, "And more!" for a reason.

How would you fix the wildfires? I would redirect some of the welfare expenditures to the fire departments, personally.

[Right wing humour squad]

California has a few issues, such as:

- The highest taxes in the nation.
- A housing crisis.
- San Francisco literally had to make a "Poop Patrol".
- Rampant homelessness.
- Huge amounts of illegal immigrants.
- And more!

So, what should be done about it? Personally, I think the whole state needs new management. Jerry Brown has been governor for a while, and the issues haven't gotten any better. Why not try something else, instead of hitting yourself with a shovel again and again? Also, don't touch that shovel, the Poop Patrol used it.

Repay the taxes to those it was stolen off.
Start repealing legislation that interferes with the housing market.
make the business that hire foreign workers responsible for their actions.
Remove all minimum wage laws.
Deport anyone illegal, charge them and their parent nation for the cost.

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Responding in order to your points:

- Give to the people what their taxes paid for
- Build affordable public housing
- Build free public toilets all over the city
- Give the homeless homes
- Give everyone legal status
- And more.

And how do we pay for this?

Quite a few of those things would actually save money. For example, giving the homeless homes actually reduces public spending. In fact, if you give the homeless homes we won't even need all those extra public toilets.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

California has a few issues, such as:

- The highest taxes in the nation.
- A housing crisis.
- San Francisco literally had to make a "Poop Patrol".
- Rampant homelessness.
- Huge amounts of illegal immigrants.
- And more!

So, what should be done about it? Personally, I think the whole state needs new management. Jerry Brown has been governor for a while, and the issues haven't gotten any better. Why not try something else, instead of hitting yourself with a shovel again and again? Also, don't touch that shovel, the Poop Patrol used it.

Repay the taxes to those it was stolen off.
Start repealing legislation that interferes with the housing market.
make the business that hire foreign workers responsible for their actions.
Remove all minimum wage laws.
Deport anyone illegal, charge them and their parent nation for the cost.

This is the best satirical joke I’ve heard on nationstates.

[Estanglia]

California has a few issues, such as:

- The highest taxes in the nation.
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/fu ... /L6HPAVqSF
- A housing crisis.
https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/californ ... 60875.html
- San Francisco literally had to make a "Poop Patrol".
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/hea ... 153517.php
- Rampant homelessness.
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/10/ ... melessness
- Huge amounts of illegal immigrants.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/cal ... hing-back/
- And more!

So, what should be done about it? Personally, I think the whole state needs new management. Jerry Brown has been governor for a while, and the issues haven't gotten any better. Why not try something else, instead of hitting yourself with a shovel again and again? Also, don't touch that shovel, the Poop Patrol used it.

Cut them/provide more with the tax money.
Deregulate the housing market/build more houses.
More public toilets? Fine those who do it?
Homeless shelters/give them housing.
Deport them/make them legal if they are providing something to the society.

Some examples of what could be done.

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Deport anyone illegal, charge them and their parent nation for the cost.

How exactly would that work, charging their parent nation for the cost? In case you forgot, Mexico has still not paid a penny for Trump's wall.

Also, I'd be curious to know your view, if an American illegally immigrates to somewhere, do you expect the American government to pay the deportation costs? If you're an American, that's your tax dollars. So if I illegally immigrate to Lichtenstein, you're going to write Lichtenstein a check for the cost of throwing me out?

[Estanglia]

Deport anyone illegal, charge them and their parent nation for the cost.

How are you gonna charge them? How are you gonna punish them if they refuse? More fines? Wars? Sanctions?
I can see this idea leading to wars and mass poverty, despite it not being the government's fault if someone illegally immigrates unless they're encouraging it or forcing them out.

[Right wing humour squad]

Deport anyone illegal, charge them and their parent nation for the cost.

How exactly would that work, charging their parent nation for the cost? In case you forgot, Mexico has still not paid a penny for Trump's wall.

Also, I'd be curious to know your view, if an American illegally immigrates to somewhere, do you expect the American government to pay the deportation costs? If you're an American, that's your tax dollars. So if I illegally immigrate to Lichtenstein, you're going to write Lichtenstein a check for the cost of throwing me out?

Depends upon the nation. But say it’s a shit hole, just take it out of any aid that they receive.

Sure if they have as large a problem as America does.

[Kanadorika]

Lets start with some real problems.

The whole City of Paradise literally burned down today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/ ... 64830a4c61

Footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9Tg9Z-Hdg

I used to live in Paradise back when I was a wildland firefighter. To see the diners I used to eat at and stores I would visit in ashes, and being unable to do anything about it is disheartening.

It's a beautiful small town I was glad to call home and to protect, and I wanted to move back someday.

Sad.

[Benuty]

Given the Soviets at one point called the city of San Francisco “Babylon”, and used it as a base of operations for Soviet agents and affiliates in Los Angeles. I am not really surprised the city is still full of shit, but in this case is literal shit and also a ton of drug use which is a given because of San Francisco. I mean does it take the removal of conferences in special tourist events such as the medical conference the city last for people to get the hint that maybe shit is wrong here. I mean you also tourist to say “I love your city, but will never come back here”. Is it ever going to change?

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Sure if they have as large a problem as America does.

And how exactly is one's native country responsible for keeping their citizens from emigrating? Are you a fan of the North Korea model?

[Right wing humour squad]

Sure if they have as large a problem as America does.

And how exactly is one's native country responsible for keeping their citizens from emigrating? Are you a fan of the North Korea model?

By checking if it’s legal.

[Benuty]

California has a few issues, such as:

- The highest taxes in the nation.
- A housing crisis.
- San Francisco literally had to make a "Poop Patrol".
- Rampant homelessness.
- Huge amounts of illegal immigrants.
- And more!

So, what should be done about it? Personally, I think the whole state needs new management. Jerry Brown has been governor for a while, and the issues haven't gotten any better. Why not try something else, instead of hitting yourself with a shovel again and again? Also, don't touch that shovel, the Poop Patrol used it.

Responding in order to your points:

- Give to the people what their taxes paid for
- Build affordable public housing
- Build free public toilets all over the city
- Give the homeless homes
- Give everyone legal status
- And more.

Page, I don’t think people high out on drugs while laying down in the BART are going to take the time to realize “maybe I should go take a shit in the public bathrooms instead of just laying it out in front of somebody’s salon” out in the better parts of the city.

[Page]

Given the Soviets at one point called the city of San Francisco “Babylon”, and used it as a base of operations for Soviet agents and affiliates in Los Angeles. I am not really surprised the city is still full of shit, but in this case is literal shit and also a ton of drug use which is a given because of San Francisco. I mean does it take the removal of conferences in special tourist events such as the medical conference the city last for people to get the hint that maybe shit is wrong here. I mean you also tourist to say “I love your city, but will never come back here”. Is it ever going to change?

The drug problem can also be solved. For example, establish some safe injection sites and there won't be anymore people shooting up on the streets.

[Kanadorika]

Given the Soviets at one point called the city of San Francisco “Babylon”, and used it as a base of operations for Soviet agents and affiliates in Los Angeles. I am not really surprised the city is still full of shit, but in this case is literal shit and also a ton of drug use which is a given because of San Francisco. I mean does it take the removal of conferences in special tourist events such as the medical conference the city last for people to get the hint that maybe shit is wrong here. I mean you also tourist to say “I love your city, but will never come back here”. Is it ever going to change?

The drug problem can also be solved. For example, establish some safe injection sites and there won't be anymore people shooting up on the streets.

There is no such thing as a safe injection site, because injecting narcotics into your arms is inherently dangerous.

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Responding in order to your points:

- Give to the people what their taxes paid for
- Build affordable public housing
- Build free public toilets all over the city
- Give the homeless homes
- Give everyone legal status
- And more.

Page, I don’t think people high out on drugs while laying down in the BART are going to take the time to realize “maybe I should go take a shit in the public bathrooms instead of just laying it out in front of somebody’s salon” out in the better parts of the city.

I looked into San Francisco's shit problem and I did verify that San Francisco actually has very few public toilets. Also, no one would be laying down in the BART if homeless people were given places to live.

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The drug problem can also be solved. For example, establish some safe injection sites and there won't be anymore people shooting up on the streets.

There is no such thing as a safe injection site, because injecting narcotics into your arms is inherently dangerous.

That's like saying there's no such thing as safe driving, because even sober drivers wearing seatbelts will sometimes get into fatal crashes.

Many drug deaths could be prevented if there were safe injection sites that

- Test people's drugs so they know what they have
- Provide clean needles
- Have trained people standing by with naloxone

[Blackledge]

Responding in order to your points:

- Give to the people what their taxes paid for
- Build affordable public housing
- Build free public toilets all over the city
- Give the homeless homes
- Give everyone legal status
- And more.

And how do we pay for this?

If homeless people had homes they'd probably be able to get jobs, stop pooping in the streets and pay taxes. And then help pay for such a program. I dunno.

[Benuty]

Page, I don’t think people high out on drugs while laying down in the BART are going to take the time to realize “maybe I should go take a shit in the public bathrooms instead of just laying it out in front of somebody’s salon” out in the better parts of the city.

I looked into San Francisco's shit problem and I did verify that San Francisco actually has very few public toilets. Also, no one would be laying down in the BART if homeless people were given places to live.

Now having had to look into the homelessness issue in San Francisco in the past it’s pretty much they spend an absurd amount of money on the issue in the first place. Now I get it there’s a ton of costs, and things to do in order to handle the homelessness problem. However they seem to be in greater need to be even more money because of just how expensive it is to live in San Francisco. In fact I remember seeing something from VICE or some other outlet that I can’t exactly remember where that states a low income in the city is six figures that is incredible.