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[DRAFT] Repeal "Preventing the Execution of Innocents"

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[DRAFT] Repeal "Preventing the Execution of Innocents"

Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:56 pm

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Official World Assembly Proposal

Repeal "Preventing the Execution of Innocents"



Insisting on achieving the target resolution's stated goal of eliminating executions for all but the most depraved of guilty criminals,

Applauding the membership of the World Assembly for its forward-looking and humane attitude toward capital punishment,

Disgusted that the target resolution is not sober and forthright about its intent to make capital punishment utterly impossible,

Loathing the cowardly decision to hide its intent of a total ban in a byzantine morass of inane bureaucracy, impossible evidentiary standards, arbitrary waiting periods, and pointless numerical quotas,

Pointing out that:
  1. Clause 2 arguably prohibits any sovereign nation with less than one million residents from ever sending any convicted criminals to the Capital Cases Division, no matter how severe the crime and regardless of national crime rates;
  2. Member nations must employ psychics, clairvoyants, fortune tellers, or time travelers in order to achieve the standard of evidence in Clause 4(f) - all of whom are either unreliable, or unavailable to the vast majority of member nations' law enforcement;
  3. Clause 6 prohibits the execution of even truly heinous criminals based on a cold, amoral mathematical accounting of victims, such that a vile criminal who, for example, delights in the torture and dismemberment of a homeless person with no family may not be executed, but a repentant convict who accidentally maims several in the course of a robbery gone wrong may be executed;
  4. Clauses 5 and 8 combine to utterly prevent the fulfillment of any capital sentence, as Clause 5 requires over a year of procedural delays once certification is issued, while Clause 8 prohibits execution of any convict whose case has not received certification within the past year;
  5. Clause 7 entirely bars member nations from extraditing accused criminals to nations where they might face capital punishment, an arbitrary judgment that is likely to leave violent criminals - and even war criminals - loose on the streets of member states;
  6. Clause 2 also uses the excuse of "avoiding confirmation bias" to prohibit the keeping of records regarding its proceedings, leaving the Capital Cases Division's workings totally opaque not only to member nations but also to the rest of the WA Compliance Commission, of which it is nominally a part - thus leading to a total lack of effective oversight,

Adamant in its belief that member states have the right and the duty to decide in an honest and straightforward manner whether and how capital punishment shall be administered, rather than disingenuously banning it under the guise of reasonable restrictions,

The World Assembly hereby repeals GA Resolution #443.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:56 pm

Celebrating the need to achieve the target resolution's stated goal of eliminating executions for all but the most depraved of guilty criminals, and

Applauding the membership of the World Assembly for its forward-looking and humane attitude toward capital punishment, yet

Disgusted that the target resolution is not sober and forthright about its intent to make capital punishment utterly impossible, and

Loathing the cowardly decision to hide its intent of a total ban in a byzantine morass of inane bureaucracy, impossible evidentiary standards, arbitrary waiting periods, and pointless numerical quotas,

Pointing out that:
  1. Clause 2 arguably prohibits any sovereign nation with less than one million residents from ever sending any convicted criminals to the Capital Cases Division, no matter how severe the crime and regardless of national crime rates;
  2. Member nations must employ psychics, clairvoyants, fortune tellers, or time travelers in order to achieve the standard of evidence in Clause 4(f) - all of whom are either charlatans, or unavailable to the vast majority of member nations' law enforcement;
  3. Clause 6 prohibits the execution of even truly heinous criminals based on a cold, amoral mathematical accounting of victims, such that a vile criminal who, for example, delights in the torture and dismemberment of a homeless person with no family may not be executed, but a repentant convict who accidentally maims several in the course of a robbery gone wrong may be executed;
  4. Clauses 5 and 8 combine to utterly prevent the fulfillment of any capital sentence, as Clause 5 requires over a year of procedural delays once certification is issued, while Clause 8 prohibits execution of any convict whose case has not received certification within the past year;
  5. Clause 7 entirely bars member nations from extraditing accused criminals to nations where they might face capital punishment, an arbitrary judgment that is likely to leave violent criminals loose on the streets of member states;
  6. Clause 2 also uses the excuse of "avoiding confirmation bias" to prohibit the keeping of records regarding its proceedings, leaving the Capital Cases Division's workings totally opaque not only to member nations but also to the rest of the WA Compliance Commission, of which it is nominally a part - thus leading to a total lack of effective oversight,

Adamant in its belief that member states have the right and the duty to decide in an honest and straightforward manner whether and how capital punishment shall be administered,

The World Assembly hereby repeals GA Resolution #443.
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Postby Kiravian WA Mission » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:00 am

Full support

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:20 am

“I believe the target resolution’s title is ‘Preventing the Execution of Innocents’ not ‘Protecting the Execution of Innocents’.”
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:21 am

Kenmoria wrote:“I believe the target resolution’s title is ‘Preventing the Execution of Innocents’ not ‘Protecting the Execution of Innocents’.”


Egad. :oops: Hell of a Freudian slip :lol:
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:04 am

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Are we accepting the adjective "byzantine", with a lower-case 'b' and in this sort of context, as not being a RL reference?
Probably okay, as far as I'm concerned, but maybe borderline enough for checking pre-submission that a majority of GenSec agrees to be advisable?
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:46 am

OOC:
Merriam Webster wrote:4 often not capitalized
a : of, relating to, or characterized by a devious and usually surreptitious manner of operation

If it's in the dictionary with a lowercase b then why not? A lot of common nouns (and their adjective forms) are derived from proper nouns (shrapnel, diesel, sandwich, boycott, and many chemical elements and units of measure), we can't make them all illegal.
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Postby Liberimery » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:15 am

Bears Armed wrote:OOC
Are we accepting the adjective "byzantine", with a lower-case 'b' and in this sort of context, as not being a RL reference?
Probably okay, as far as I'm concerned, but maybe borderline enough for checking pre-submission that a majority of GenSec agrees to be advisable?


OOC: Why not? We already have called acts "Barbaric" or similar which in its original meaning would qualify as a real world reference. Barbarians were a specific subset of people, namely those who were not citizens or residents of the Roman Republic/Empire.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:26 am

“I find your reasoning in subclause d flawed. Clause 5 of the target resolution only requires 6 months of delay for investigation before a certification can be issued, which is well within the limits of clause 8.”
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:29 am

Wrapper wrote:OOC:
Merriam Webster wrote:4 often not capitalized
a : of, relating to, or characterized by a devious and usually surreptitious manner of operation

If it's in the dictionary with a lowercase b then why not? A lot of common nouns (and their adjective forms) are derived from proper nouns (shrapnel, diesel, sandwich, boycott, and many chemical elements and units of measure), we can't make them all illegal.

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That's what I thought, too, but I could see the possibility of somebody trying to challenge it on this point so I thought that getting an opinion settled early might be helpful.
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Postby New Bremerton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:41 pm

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Postby Liberimery » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:09 pm

Ambassador, this has my full support. I would like to ask if you would like my arguments as to how the target Resolution may violate Resolutions preventing Double Jeopardy?

As a nation that has had a suspension on its Death Penalty enacted, officially I must lodge my protest on this allowing member nations to resume their Death Penalties without sanctions, but if this is a topic to be banned, it must be done in an honest fashion and not this underhanded "compromise" by the Resolution's author.

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Postby Aclion » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:57 pm

Wrapper wrote:If it's in the dictionary with a lowercase b then why not? A lot of common nouns (and their adjective forms) are derived from proper nouns (shrapnel, diesel, sandwich, boycott, and many chemical elements and units of measure), we can't make them all illegal.

That sounds like a challenge to me!
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:53 am

Kenmoria wrote:“I find your reasoning in subclause d flawed. Clause 5 of the target resolution only requires 6 months of delay for investigation before a certification can be issued, which is well within the limits of clause 8.”


"Read it again, ambassador:

5. In all cases where a capital sentence is issued, before it is carried out,

a. member nations shall serially provide the Division and all counsel assigned or associated with a case, six months to discover, examine, and verify exculpatory evidence which could exonerate the defendant,


"Note the use of the word 'serially' here - nations must give the Division six months to go over the evidence, and then they must give the attorneys six months to do so. While the resolution is cleverly written to look as reasonable as you think it does, it is the single most egregious Catch-22 ever passed by this Assembly."
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:07 pm

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:56 pm

I would recommend that you remove the "and"s and "yet"s at the ends of the preambulatory clauses. Their awkward attachment to the ends of those clauses distracts from the main message.
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Postby The ethereal lord » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:15 am

Full support, this supposed "compromise" is ridiculous
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Postby Jebslund » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:20 pm

"Fully supported. That the target passed is simply unconscionable."
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:13 pm

*Spits out water at the sight of section d.*

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Postby Demiurges » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:29 am

Complete and total whole-hearted support from Demiurges to this proposal!
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:05 am

“The word ‘celebrating’ in the corresponding clause sounds a little odd given the subject matter that the sentence discusses. Perhaps ‘observing’ or ‘noting’ might fit better. Anyway, full support regardless. I’d rather an honest ban than a misleading mandate to ban three-thirds of cases.”
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Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:52 am

"All seems in order with the current draft. It has my support, Ambassador."
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:19 am

Kenmoria wrote:“The word ‘celebrating’ in the corresponding clause sounds a little odd given the subject matter that the sentence discusses. Perhaps ‘observing’ or ‘noting’ might fit better. Anyway, full support regardless. I’d rather an honest ban than a misleading mandate to ban three-thirds of cases.”


"Now you mention it, ambassador, it does ring... very weird. I'll look to find more somber phrasing."
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Postby Ardiveds » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:56 am

Delegate Arthur reads the repeal, full of nostalgia "I was but a doe eyed new recruit when this devious shadow ban was passed, new to this job. Oh, how time flies." He wipes one eye "This has our support, ambassador."
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