Brazil Second Presidential N Paliament Elections 2018 Genral

[Great Minarchistan]

1) He has the support of 60% of people who voted, which translated to something like <50% according to a post a page or two back.

He attained around 48-50pct of the total votes (incl. null and blank).

[Valrifell]

1) He has the support of 60% of people who voted, which translated to something like <50% according to a post a page or two back.

He attained around 48-50pct of the total votes (incl. null and blank).

So, yes, hes supported by under half the population.

[Costa Fierro]

Have to wonder how many murders will be pulled off under the cover of law enforcement.

Probably not much more than what's being done now. Do you really believe Brazil's civilian and military police forces aren't already committing hundreds, if not, thousands of extrajudicial killings every year?

[Great Minarchistan]

He attained around 48-50pct of the total votes (incl. null and blank).

So, yes, hes supported by under half the population.

Far more than Haddad, something that shouldn't be taken lightly.

[Valrifell]

So, yes, hes supported by under half the population.

Far more than Haddad, something that shouldn't be taken lightly.

Well that's self-evident considering who the president of Brazil is. I was just refuting OEP's overstatement of his support.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Have to wonder how many murders will be pulled off under the cover of law enforcement.

Probably not much more than what's being done now. Do you really believe Brazil's civilian and military police forces aren't already committing hundreds, if not, thousands of extrajudicial killings every year?

Shit it's not hard to find video of Brazilian cops handing out summary executions left and right already. That's par for the course.

[Great Minarchistan]

Far more than Haddad, something that shouldn't be taken lightly.

Well that's self-evident considering who the president of Brazil is. I was just refuting OEP's overstatement of his support.

Theoretically he could still be president with an advantage of one vote, but instead he's got an advantage of ten million, which is larger than many other presidential campaigns

[Western Vale Confederacy]

"Fascist and proto-Fascist dictatorships work!" - """Libertarian"""

They did, though.

Calling Salazar a "proto-Fascist" is an insult to me and to Portugal itself, and a major sign of ignorance regarding Portugal's history and his achievements.

He wasn't called "Salvador da Patria" (Saviour of the Nation) for nothing, he basically scooped Portugal up from the lowest of fucking lows.

[Valrifell]

They did, though.

Calling Salazar a "proto-Fascist" is an insult to me and to Portugal itself, and a major sign of ignorance regarding Portugal's history and his achievements.

He wasn't called "Salvador da Patria" (Saviour of the Nation) for nothing, he basically scooped Portugal up from the lowest of fucking lows.

Doesn't make him not a crypto-Fascist.

[Farnhamia]

Calling Salazar a "proto-Fascist" is an insult to me and to Portugal itself, and a major sign of ignorance regarding Portugal's history and his achievements.

He wasn't called "Salvador da Patria" (Saviour of the Nation) for nothing, he basically scooped Portugal up from the lowest of fucking lows.

Doesn't make him not a crypto-Fascist.

Doesn't make Salazar and Franco relevant to a thread on the most recent Brazilian presidential election, either.

[Valrifell]

Doesn't make him not a crypto-Fascist.

Doesn't make Salazar and Franco relevant to a thread on the most recent Brazilian presidential election, either.

It's always the last in the thread jack to get red texted.

Well that's self-evident considering who the president of Brazil is. I was just refuting OEP's overstatement of his support.

Theoretically he could still be president with an advantage of one vote, but instead he's got an advantage of ten million, which is larger than many other presidential campaigns

Which indicates a strong support base, just not an overwhelming one.

[Costa Fierro]

Shit it's not hard to find video of Brazilian cops handing out summary executions left and right already. That's par for the course.

But didn't you get the memo? None of this was happening before Bolsonaro was elected.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Shit it's not hard to find video of Brazilian cops handing out summary executions left and right already. That's par for the course.

But didn't you get the memo? None of this was happening before Bolsonaro was elected.

Oh, it was. It most definitely was.

The police here either try to actually help the people and get fucked over by the law or shot to death, or they get involved with the very criminal organizations they're supposed to protect the population against. Then shit like that happens. It's been like that for a long, long time.

[Great Minarchistan]

But didn't you get the memo? None of this was happening before Bolsonaro was elected.

Oh, it was. It most definitely was.

The police here either try to actually help the people and get fucked over by the law or shot to death, or they get involved with the very criminal organizations they're supposed to protect the population against. Then shit like that happens. It's been like that for a long, long time.

He was intending to be ironic...

[Costa Fierro]

Oh, it was. It most definitely was.

The police here either try to actually help the people and get fucked over by the law or shot to death, or they get involved with the very criminal organizations they're supposed to protect the population against. Then shit like that happens. It's been like that for a long, long time.

He was intending to be ironic...

I was indeed being facetious.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Oh, thank goodness.

I figured that could have been the case but you never know nowadays.

[Costa Fierro]

Oh, thank goodness.

I figured that could have been the case but you never know nowadays.

Oh there's definitely people in this thread that think the PT haven't done anything wrong and that Brazilians don't know what's best for them. But I remain skeptical that Bolsonaro will get anything done.

[Major-Tom]

Oh, thank goodness.

I figured that could have been the case but you never know nowadays.

Oh there's definitely people in this thread that think the PT haven't done anything wrong and that Brazilians don't know what's best for them. But I remain skeptical that Bolsonaro will get anything done.

Don't oversimplify things. Many of us, myself included, recognize the failures after failures of the PT. We recognize that Brazilians are desperate for change, something new to get their beautiful country reignited. We just think Bolsonaro is the wrong fucking answer. Someone who has praised military dictatorship, rallied against homosexuals and women's rights, environmental protection etc etc, well, that just is the wrong fucking answer for me...

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Oh there's definitely people in this thread that think the PT haven't done anything wrong and that Brazilians don't know what's best for them. But I remain skeptical that Bolsonaro will get anything done.

Don't oversimplify things. Many of us, myself included, recognize the failures after failures of the PT. We recognize that Brazilians are desperate for change, something new to get their beautiful country reignited. We just think Bolsonaro is the wrong fucking answer. Someone who has praised military dictatorship, rallied against homosexuals and women's rights, environmental protection etc etc, well, that just is the wrong fucking answer for me...

Well, he got democratically elected by a majority of the Brazilian population, so something tells me that the people would probably have chosen a literal rock over PT.

[Major-Tom]

Don't oversimplify things. Many of us, myself included, recognize the failures after failures of the PT. We recognize that Brazilians are desperate for change, something new to get their beautiful country reignited. We just think Bolsonaro is the wrong fucking answer. Someone who has praised military dictatorship, rallied against homosexuals and women's rights, environmental protection etc etc, well, that just is the wrong fucking answer for me...

Well, he got democratically elected by a majority of the Brazilian population, so something tells me that the people would probably have chosen a literal rock over PT.

Well, I somewhat agree. Lula was a different story - he led in all polls compared to Mr. Bolsonaro. The PT is undeniably corrupt and failed at this point in time. One can concede that much about the failures and idiocy of the PT and still be horrified by Bolsonaro.

I've said it a million times; I see why Bolsonaro won and understand and sympathize with the frustrations of ordinary Brazilians. I just don't think Bolsonaro is the answer.

[Costa Fierro]

Don't oversimplify things.

I kinda have to.

Many of us, myself included, recognize the failures after failures of the PT. We recognize that Brazilians are desperate for change, something new to get their beautiful country reignited. We just think Bolsonaro is the wrong fucking answer. Someone who has praised military dictatorship, rallied against homosexuals and women's rights, environmental protection etc etc, well, that just is the wrong fucking answer for me...

So what is the answer when the usual alternative is just as bad as the incumbent? You have Haddad, who being the PT's candidate, still represents the false promises and the corruption the PT engaged in during its time in power. You have Bolsonaro, who promises to change the system and hasn't been implicated in any corruption scandals, with the only tarring of his name being people who take objection to what he says. If he isn't the right choice, who is?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Well, he got democratically elected by a majority of the Brazilian population, so something tells me that the people would probably have chosen a literal rock over PT.

Well, I somewhat agree. Lula was a different story - he led in all polls compared to Mr. Bolsonaro. The PT is undeniably corrupt and failed at this point in time. One can concede that much about the failures and idiocy of the PT and still be horrified by Bolsonaro.

I've said it a million times; I see why Bolsonaro won and understand and sympathize with the frustrations of ordinary Brazilians. I just don't think Bolsonaro is the answer.

You act as if democracy will ever yield a reasonable answers.

PT is so unbelievably corrupt that their entire structure is irreversibly littered with white-collar criminals all the way up to its leadership.

Bolsonaro is also a garbage choice, but sadly, the people decided to respond to PT swinging too far left by doing a violent jerk to the right.

[Major-Tom]

Well, I somewhat agree. Lula was a different story - he led in all polls compared to Mr. Bolsonaro. The PT is undeniably corrupt and failed at this point in time. One can concede that much about the failures and idiocy of the PT and still be horrified by Bolsonaro.

I've said it a million times; I see why Bolsonaro won and understand and sympathize with the frustrations of ordinary Brazilians. I just don't think Bolsonaro is the answer.

You act as if democracy will ever yield a reasonable answers.

PT is so unbelievably corrupt that their entire structure is irreversibly littered with white-collar criminals all the way up to its leadership.

Bolsonaro is also a garbage choice, but sadly, the people decided to respond to PT swinging too far left by doing a violent jerk to the right.

Perhaps I'm just idealistic, yes, of course PT is corrupt as shit! We agree there, full stop. I think our area of disagreement here is whether or not there are many merits to the "violent swing" to the right you described.

Don't oversimplify things.

I kinda have to.

Many of us, myself included, recognize the failures after failures of the PT. We recognize that Brazilians are desperate for change, something new to get their beautiful country reignited. We just think Bolsonaro is the wrong fucking answer. Someone who has praised military dictatorship, rallied against homosexuals and women's rights, environmental protection etc etc, well, that just is the wrong fucking answer for me...

So what is the answer when the usual alternative is just as bad as the incumbent? You have Haddad, who being the PT's candidate, still represents the false promises and the corruption the PT engaged in during its time in power. You have Bolsonaro, who promises to change the system and hasn't been implicated in any corruption scandals, with the only tarring of his name being people who take objection to what he says. If he isn't the right choice, who is?

As the Mayor of Sao Paulo, I don't think Haddad was that bad. He was/is far from fucking perfect, far fucking from it, but for me, definitely preferable to someone who has praised some truly awful things. Rousseff and Lula were way, way, way more corrupt and tainted than Haddad even before they were Presidents.

[Kubra]

Well, I somewhat agree. Lula was a different story - he led in all polls compared to Mr. Bolsonaro. The PT is undeniably corrupt and failed at this point in time. One can concede that much about the failures and idiocy of the PT and still be horrified by Bolsonaro.

I've said it a million times; I see why Bolsonaro won and understand and sympathize with the frustrations of ordinary Brazilians. I just don't think Bolsonaro is the answer.

You act as if democracy will ever yield a reasonable answers.

PT is so unbelievably corrupt that their entire structure is irreversibly littered with white-collar criminals all the way up to its leadership.

Bolsonaro is also a garbage choice, but sadly, the people decided to respond to PT swinging too far left by doing a violent jerk to the right.

Sure, PT is corrupt, but I mean in a lot of places the choice is between the corrupt who've been outed and the corrupt whose outing is merely pending.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You act as if democracy will ever yield a reasonable answers.

PT is so unbelievably corrupt that their entire structure is irreversibly littered with white-collar criminals all the way up to its leadership.

Bolsonaro is also a garbage choice, but sadly, the people decided to respond to PT swinging too far left by doing a violent jerk to the right.

Sure, PT is corrupt, but I mean in a lot of places the choice is between the corrupt who've been outed and the corrupt whose outing is merely pending.

The potential for corruption is still more appealing than proven corruption to the average voter.