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Hyades [INTEREST THREAD] (soft-FT/hard sci-fi region idea)

Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:15 pm



Are YOU interested by...


Enormous helium-3 powered ships whizzing through the interstellar medium at a whopping 15% light speed?

Asteroid belts housing billions of people, sheltered from the elements by idyllic spinning cylinders anchored inside hollowed-out asteroids?

Skirmishes in conflict-prone regions with battleship fleet sizes that make World War Two look like a fisticuff?

A new era of international diplomacy and governance, brought about by the limitations of time and immense distance?

Enormous engineering projects, from sprawling metropolises in the night sky to massive orbital mirror arrays designed to alter the climates of planets and protect billions of people from lethal solar flares?

If so, you may be interested by Hyades, a region-in-progress which will have all of these things and more once fully set up.



How exactly would one describe Hyades without flowery depictions of space opera-esque scenes? Pretty easily.


Hyades will be an FT:STL region set in the real-life Hyades Star Cluster, an open star cluster which contains a huge variety of stars in close proximity to each other (quite a good scenario if you want lots of STL trade, communication and settler migration between star systems). Set 20,000 years into the future, with the first human settlers arriving in the cluster only ten millennia before that, Hyades is part vibrant spacefaring civilisation and part interstellar Wild West depending where you are in the cluster. With a diameter of 14.1 light years, a good starship moving at relativistic speeds can cross the cluster within the space of a human lifetime.

Humanity's primary sources of electricity and propulsion will be fusion, solar (solar sails in the case of propulsion) and fission-based, although short-range space travel in small ships will often utilise chemical rocket fuel instead of the aforementioned power sources. Strong AI will not have been developed, having ultimately proved too hard and effort-intensive to create thousands of years ago (this avoids human obsolescence and makes interesting RP easier). Because humanity hasn't been replaced by robots (with the exception of menial physical and number-crunching mental labour, the automation of which has presented a multitude of social challenges that are still being dealt with to this day), millennia of genetic meddling, cybernetics, whole brain emulation and reproductive isolation in space means that humanity comes in a wider variety of forms than ever before.

Hyades will be human-only, but only in the sense that all civilisations found in the cluster are descended from the humanity of IRL 2018. Many seem a lot less human than their ancestors for reasons mentioned in the previous paragraph. Extraterrestrial life is scattered throughout the Hyades Cluster, but it only exists in non-intelligent forms varying from minuscule single-celled microbes to huge multicellular organisms. Because of the Fermi Paradox, the Hyades universe will not have any known alien civilisations elsewhere in the galaxy either.


The Five Pillars of Hyades


To enhance the RP experience Hyades has to offer, Hyades will have five unchangeable "pillars" - rules, basically - that will dictate how RP goes.

1. NO FT Travel - No FTL travel allowed whatsoever, Hyades will be unique among active FT regions on Nationstates for being a purely STL region. You cannot go faster than light, it is not possible. Loopholes like Alcubierre drives are technically allowed, but in practice the crazy energy requirement of using one along with the potentially nasty effects mean it wouldn't happen. Which brings us to pillar 2...

2. Reasonable Realism - Not as concrete as the other pillars, but just as important. Empires which are too wanked for the constrains of STL travel to realistically allow are a no-no (if you want to discuss ways of spreading yourself across multiple systems and not fracturing, such as being a self-governing corporation, I'm all ears). Hyades will be as realistic (within the boundaries of what is currently established by science) as possible. If you think this limits you too much don't worry, because there are people a lot smarter than either of us who have figured out realistic ways to get things done. I'd recommend this Youtube channel for more on that general subject, or just for timewasting in general. Speaking of stuff done on computers...

3. No Strong AI* - *With the exception of human brain emulations. Human brain emulations will require a great deal of processing power and impressive amounts of energy to run continuously if you want to simulate everything down to proteins and molecules to properly emulate human consciousness, but are possible and feasible to upload your society's big-wigs to before death so you get a lasting copy of them. Everything else though, like a cogito-ergo-sum skynet, is off bounds. Complex computers will be more like big mechanical cockroaches, insect-like automatons made of metal and silicon, than true minds.


4. An unorthodox approach to time - Because travel/broadcast times can be a bit much through interstellar space sometimes, it is best that Hyades develops an unorthodox method of managing its in-roleplay time. This can mean both making a certain amount of IRL time equivalent to a certain amount of in-universe time (converting days/weeks to years might be a good idea, but skipping so much time still makes many cringe with displeasure despite how practical it is, so we should reach a group consensus) and continuing RPs while ignoring how much time has elapsed, working on individual RPs within the moment and even setting up separate timescales for different RPs until they're finished. This pillar is vague because it'll be largely determined by how you guys want to roleplay and that's important.

5. SpaceEngine 0.980- Can be downloaded HERE, once a planned later version of SE comes out that costs money I will keep the setup file and spread it around to people via dropbox or something else in case the devs close off access to it. That's right, it will be forever FREE for us! This isn't piracy either, because the in-development version was free to begin with.

We will use SpaceEngine to map out our region, with players being able to claim heavenly bodies or a space habitat prescence in randomly-generated/simulated real star systems. Everything within 14.1 light years of the Hyades Cluster's center is fair game. As you can see, there are HUNDREDS of star systems to chose from, many with multiple suns. Lots of room for everyone. The region, once set up, will keep a database of where everyone is, and I will probably set up a downloadable file of renamed planets so you can boot up your SE 0.980 and search for our region's heavenly bodies by their in-universe names.

(Personally, I would prefer we begin in the center of the cluster and work our way out. This is not essential and is more of an offhand comment, but it would make a young region with new players more active being in close proximity to eachother. I have also explored the center of the cluster and found some pretty cool places, with multiple binary red dwarf systems and an ocean planet orbiting a gas giant with unicellular life, so it's not the worst place to RP)
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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:18 pm

Thoughts?

Any interest in sending a puppet over at a later date or joining a chat group to plan things?

I have discord so we could discuss there if you guys want that, people who just want to kick and and RP and people who want an advisory position in the region (involves having the know-how to decide what complicated things are realistic, along with helping manage things because I'm not lame enough to make myself the Tyrant of a nation simulation game region, let's manage this together and build something nice tbh bros). Gonna get a post up on how the region would be organised in theory, this is less important than the RP itself so it isn't as unchangeable as the five pillars at all.
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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:02 pm

Any interest?

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Postby Virshia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:05 pm

The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate wrote:Any interest?


(Raises hand)

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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:29 pm

Virshia wrote:
The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate wrote:Any interest?


(Raises hand)

Thank you heaps, I'll continue with this post if that is the case.



Proposed Regional "Government" of Hyades (non-RP for admin purposes)


A group of people roleplaying have got to organise themselves somehow.

Hyades will be organised with a council of regional administrators, 11 people at most and preferably an odd number. Regional administrators will be selected from among those with good brains in their heads who know what they're talking about, as more of their job will deal with realism than with pettily policing peoples' behaviour and speech. Admins will decide on major, controversial moves and changes with a vote. As the region grows there will be two types of council-

Small Council - a council with 4 members or less.

- induction into the council is either the result of being appointed by the founder, or let in with the founder's support by a consensus of all council members

- decisions need to be made with the agreement of all council members

- the council alone cannot vote to remove any or its members; ejections will need to be proposed by the founder and approved of by a majority of the council on reasonable grounds


Large Council - a council with 5-11 members.

- induction into the council is managed by the council itself, with a two-thirds majority approval meaning new induction into the council

- decisions need to be made by a majority of the council's vote, or a two-thirds majority when it involves changing the structure of the regional government itself. Examples of situations requiring only a majority include changing the region's in-universe scale of time, deciding on whether or not something controversial is realistic or whether or not the region's flag/WFE should be changed.

- if every council member excluding a given member wants that member to be removed from the council, they can be removed. If the founder wants a member of the council to be removed, the majority must agree with the founder's decision.


As you can see, a small council would be less able to make decisions purely on its own and would require the intervention of the region's founder. If the founder believes the small council is a better judge on the situation than he is, he can defer power to the small council at will.

The large council has power automatically deferred to it. The founder has much less involvement in the workings of the council at this point, he pretty much just owns the account that can protect the region from raids and that's his job. He can intervene in the council to dismiss one of its members with majority approval, but even then the founder cannot act without the council. The region is mostly administrated by its own members, if the founder were to suddenly disappear for weeks on end (which he hopefully won't because Hyades will be an awesome region) it would not impede the ability of a large council to function.

If a tie comes out of a vote, the vote has failed. The founder or any other non-council member of the region are NOT allowed to add in their vote as a tie-breaker, although if the issue isn't settled and the council feels like voting on it again to get a better result, it is encouraged that it does. Going back on a decision and removing something should be treated in the same manner as any other decision, with the same vote percentages required.

Members can only be banned on reasonable grounds, and with the consent of the majority of the council.
An exception to the dismissal vote rule in a large council exists if the council member is an inactive council member. An inactive council member is one that has not responded to anyone in the region for at least seven days, with or without an explanation.
If the council member has an explanation for his inactivity, his position on the council is not threatened, but his vote or lack thereof will not count in decisions made while he is absent. If the council member has no explanation for being inactive, his vote will not count while he is inactive and if he is inactive for a total of twenty days he can be removed from his council position by a majority-wins vote.

Dictatorship - if the integrity of Hyades as a region is imminently threatened by a person or group of people, this threat is considered more likely to be present than not by a number of people (or an important administrator of the region with agreement from other members) and on reasonable grounds, the region's founder or a two-thirds majority of the council can chose to impose a dictatorship.

The dictatorship gives both a chosen member of the region the power to kick, ban and do every administrative activity that isn't related to managing roleplay and the WFE without limits. The dictatorship lasts exactly seven days, with the council allowed to make a majority-wins vote on whether or not the dictatorship should be renewed for another seven day term after that term ends. In theory the dictatorship can be renewed perpetually but realistically that's not going to happen. If the founder is not the dictator himself, it is his responsibility to enforce the will of the dictator (who has been entrusted to protect the region in an emergency).

Some situations in which this could be useful include a raid on the region in which many inactive members are actually hostile puppets, an attempt to destroy the region from within, or our NationStates page being taken down (this would probably only happen if the website permanently went kaput, but Murphy's law is a thing) forcing a strong executive power to help our region totally migrate to another platform.

Again, you are welcome to join the Hyades Regional Discord Server if you wish to join the region or just want to drop bu, and you are welcome to provide feedback on the posts made in this thread. If you have an issue with some of the ideas set out please do leave feedback, I am a very agreeable person and am very open to it.
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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:39 pm

Those who join the discord server and wish to be involved in starting up Hyades in some way or another are welcome to participate in the establishment of an action plan for the founding of the region.

What do I mean by an action plan exactly?

A rough plan, sorted into steps, detailing how exactly Hyades will be set up and get off the ground.

Steps could include setting up offsite forums, setting up a regional application, setting up an RP hub thread on international incidents, having a vague character/battle based RP at the beginning before much worldbuilding has been done to show NationStates what we're made of and motivate some more people to join. These are just suggestions and not set in stone, if you want something else to happen you are welcome to suggest that and we can get it done.

I 100% believe that this region can be one of the best on this site, with one of the most unique concepts (instead of an Earth backwards with *Europes, *Americas, *Asias and so on, or a fantasy region, like a lot of other high-effort RP regions are) fleshed out well, if people participate.
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Postby Orostan » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:00 pm

Discord invite expired

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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:16 pm

Orostan wrote:Discord invite expired

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I'll telegram you and others posting in this thread once I get home and am able to fix the invite link.

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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:12 am

Ok we're good with the invites boys, click away at the ones in this thread
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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:29 am

Shamelessly bumping this thread. More people can and should join this, if you have any issues with using discord let me know and if enough people have issues an alternative means of discussion might be worth it. What is more likely though is that few people are joining currently, either due to lack of awareness (many views on this thread are me coming in to edit posts), lack of interest in the concept (doubtful seeing as multiple people have expressed interest) or lack of status on this website (newly-founded account with no NS street cred). For all those considering joining but too tied to the regions they're already in, it should be noted that sending in a puppet and casually RPing here is perfectly fine.

Discussion between two people is happening is happening in the discord server regarding alcubierre drives and whether or not they should be considered feasible, said two people have also agreed that the region's RP will be set up on the website's forum itself instead of any offsite platform.

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Postby Reichskonglomerat » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:19 am

I might put my puppet Marreucos in.
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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:50 pm

Reichskonglomerat wrote:I might put my puppet Marreucos in.

go ahead

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Postby Hyadenkonglomerat » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:14 am

Hello!

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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:01 am

Hyadenkonglomerat wrote:Hello!

sup man
You'll have been notified on the discord server that we'll be planning an initial RP, we also went on a tangent and discussed what the regional canon should be like (namely history of how humanity got to Hyades and what it was doing before that). You are absolutely more than welcome to add your two cents on that, along with others.

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Postby The Hyadesian Broadcasting Conglomerate » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:23 pm

Alright, I've got some real BS to do IRL, but seeing as Hyades has gotten the interest of a few people and will likely take on more as time goes by, it is safe to say that an RP will get into motion starting a week from now.

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Postby Arkeyana » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:30 pm

*Soft FT*
Hmm
*Hard sci fi*
Me likey
*Sees all the good stuff*
Sign me the hell up, while I don't use puppets, I'll gladly make one to join this region if that's allowed. The concept seems incredibly fascinating, and I would like to work on refining my hard sci fi.

EDIT: One of my favored types of empire these days is heavily industrialized, voidborne race. Would that be ok for this region?
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