by Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:32 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:35 pm
by Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:36 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I would say yes because unpopular authoritarian governments are usually overthrown.
by Telconi » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:36 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I would say yes; the consent of the governed is required because unpopular authoritarian governments are usually overthrown.
by Ifreann » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:38 pm
by Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:39 pm
Ifreann wrote:Does it particularly matter whether it's legitimate or not? It would seem to be working pretty well.
by Ifreann » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:41 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:44 pm
by Page » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:45 pm
by Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:45 pm
by Northeast American Federation » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:48 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:51 pm
by Ifreann » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:55 pm
Mardla wrote:Ifreann wrote:I'm sure you don't, but if anything that just goes to show that it is working well.
It is not actually "working", period. It is simply a slogan. A slogan does not make it the case. The systems we have, whether or not they "work", is beside the point; they would not work without compulsion.
by Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:59 pm
by Galloism » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:00 pm
by Page » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:03 pm
Northeast American Federation wrote:Telconi wrote:
I have yet to meet a person who consented to a speeing ticket.
People may not like a speeding ticket when they get one, but more broadly people don't seem to mind that there are enforcement measures in place to keep people from blasting around at high speeds that are dangerous to themselves and others. They just don't like it when the person facing enforcement action is themselves.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:07 pm
Mardla wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Most of the time that is true, but not always. The French Revolution didn't come about due to dissent within the army; it resulted due to angry common people.
Weapons and tech have become more important since then. I also would say it was precipitated by the third estate (which represented only the haute bourgeoisie) and the sans-culottes, not necessarily the national peasants and petite bourgeoisie.
by Teachian » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:10 pm
by Indo-Malaysia » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:19 pm
by Kowani » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:05 pm
Mardla wrote:Is the only legitimate basis of government "the consent of the governed"? Why? Or why not?
I argue that it's not any sort of basis, period. To govern in a sense of statecraft, means authority to compel by force. The idea that authority to compel rests upon consent, is clearly an incoherent notion. Therefore, like Joseph de Maistre, I argue that the ultimate basis of a government must be grounded in some sort of traditionalism rather rationalism. Any other basis is fundamentally mendacious.
by Western-Ukraine » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:57 pm
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