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Cosmopolitan borovan
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:10 pm

Do you think meritocracies are good in NS ? If you hang long enough a region or player claims or endorses the praise of meritocracy. That if you put in effort you can become someone important or valuable. But is this true or garbage? Cause if you think about it someone who builds all that effort for a position only to lose interest, do something wrong or misplacing the importance of his efforts and time can make that feel not worthwhile.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:12 pm

Given that the NPO hasn't been overthrown yet... ;)
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:15 pm

I think meritocracy is a great thing in general but big regions in NS have to be cutthroat. There are many guys waiting to fill an official’s spot. And although I like your thinking, use grammar and capitalization next time. It makes you sound more official, trustworthy, and intelligent.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:18 pm

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Do u think meritocracies r good in NS if u hang long enough a region or player claims or endorses the praise of meritocracy. That if u put in effort u can become someone important or valuable. But is this true or garbage. Cause if u think about it someone who builds all that effort for a position only to lose interest do something wrong or misplacing the importance of his efforts is sorely wrong.

This is hard to understand. Use proper grammar. Also, your opening post is a bit thin too.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:22 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Do u think meritocracies r good in NS if u hang long enough a region or player claims or endorses the praise of meritocracy. That if u put in effort u can become someone important or valuable. But is this true or garbage. Cause if u think about it someone who builds all that effort for a position only to lose interest do something wrong or misplacing the importance of his efforts is sorely wrong.

This is hard to understand. Use proper grammar. Also, your opening post is a bit thin too.

Made minor edits but I dunno what to add, maybe examples of both real life and NS.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:26 pm

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This is hard to understand. Use proper grammar. Also, your opening post is a bit thin too.

Made minor edits but I dunno what to add,

You can add examples of NS meritocracies such as The Pacific and The West Pacific. Either way, thank you for revising your OP; It is now a lot easier to understand.
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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:43 pm

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Postby Wabbitslayah » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:53 pm

Nova Colombian Confederation wrote:With all the stuff that happend on these two decades, i predict that Meritocratic elements are going to be a big thing in the governments of the future. While it sounds good, i'm skeptical and i think there's a possibility of aristocracy developing.

You can't really not have oligarchies of sorts not form. Even TRR where it's extremely direct democratic technically has one. UCRs may or may not depending on certain factors. If the founder is very authoritarian then you have more or less yes men. If the founder isn't much an issue in authority, then you may have heavy factionalization because one group failed to gain enough control and influence.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:43 pm

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Do you think meritocracies are good in NS ? If you hang long enough a region or player claims or endorses the praise of meritocracy. That if you put in effort you can become someone important or valuable. But is this true or garbage?

This is true if the meritocracy isn't just a veneer for blatant oligarchy with no real hope for advancement.
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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:19 am

It probably depends on the individual that decides whether someone has enough "merit" for the position. The problem with meritocracy is that it can easily turn government into a hermetic circle of self-adoration.
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Postby Consular » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:25 am

What is a meritocracy?

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Postby Aclion » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:47 pm

Cossack Khanate wrote:I think meritocracy is a great thing in general but big regions in NS have to be cutthroat. There are many guys waiting to fill an official’s spot. And although I like your thinking, use grammar and capitalization next time. It makes you sound more official, trustworthy, and intelligent.

One solution to this is to has a variable number of positions depending on the number of jobs that need doing and the number of people with the ability and desire to do them. Only way to run out of position in that scenario is if the region runs out of literally runs out of things that can be done to improve the region, in which case; congratulations, you just won region building.
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Postby Erithaca » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:01 am

Tinhampton wrote:Given that the NPO hasn't been overthrown yet... ;)

Are they actually meritocratic or just one of SRE's circles of self-adoration?

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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:22 am

Erithaca wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Given that the NPO hasn't been overthrown yet... ;)

Are they actually meritocratic or just one of SRE's circles of self-adoration?

They are indeed at least somewhat meritocratic, though they're opaque as heck though so you're going to need one of them to see this thread and wander over over a full answer.

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:13 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Erithaca wrote:Are they actually meritocratic or just one of SRE's circles of self-adoration?

They are indeed at least somewhat meritocratic, though they're opaque as heck though so you're going to need one of them to see this thread and wander over over a full answer.

The definition of meritocracy1 is likely as close as you'll get as a proper answer from the NPO, since we adhere to it to a T:
government or the holding of power by people selected on the basis of their ability.
  • a society governed by meritocracy.
  • a ruling or influential class of educated or skilled people.

1Insofar as meritocracy applies to NationStates, it can be different in other games.
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