Federalist Discussion Thread I:

[Palancia]

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Federalist Discussion Thread

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Welcome to the Federalist Discussion Thread! I really don't feel like making a big introduction post, so. Please TG or DM me on Discord for suggestions, polls, partnerships with your server, page, dog, club, I don't care. But the number one rule is to be respectful towards other people's opinions and thoughts.


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Relevant topics:
- Federalism, Direct Democracy, Authoritarianism, Monarchism, etc.
- Economics
- Social Issues
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- News and events about elections, polls, politics,etc
- Pretty much anything relevant to this topic

Basically this topic is about how people feel about federalism, if it works, and or if it doesn't work.

Useful links:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/federalism

https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/ap-us-government-and-politics/foundations-of-american-democracy/relationship-between-states-and-the-federal-government/v/federalism-in-the-united-states

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J0gosGXSgsI

Questions?:
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[Palancia]

Ok lets get this thread going!

[Zatanga]

Leedle

[Palancia]

There we go

[Cetacea]

Federalism leads to creation of an enlarged bloated bureaucracy and strengthen political dynasties leading to corruption

[Kubumba Tribe]

What is federalism? I learned in school that it's a division of power between the federal government and state government. But I want something more in depth (and probs more correct).

[The New California Republic]

It might be better to expand the OP a bit, perhaps with some useful links, and a concise definition?

[Palancia]

I've posted links to help ya'll out. Its in the spoiler.

[Palancia]

Federalism gives more autonomy to regions/provinces/states. It gives equal representation in an upper house and gives representation based on population in a lower house. Its really noticeable in America. It also adds an element of republicanism in a nation.

[Firaxin]

Federalism gives more autonomy to regions/provinces/states. It gives equal representation in an upper house and gives representation based on population in a lower house. Its really noticeable in America. It also adds an element of republicanism in a nation.

But should regions have autonomy? Would the nation function better overall if not?

[Scarast]

For a nation that’s big, federalism should make administrative costs much lower. However, a federal government still needs to have more power than at least 2/3 of the federated states, and any very low population, occupied or capital+surrounding regions should be under direct control.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

For a definition, I would say: a unitary state is one wherein the central government holds all sovereignty in principle, which it can devolve to lower governments. A federal state is one wherein the central governments gets is sovereignty from the participating provinces and can only act in those areas in which the participating provinces have allowed it to act, with a minimum requirement of managing all foreign affairs.

Try to apply this to the federation and unitary state that you live in, and see if it holds up. I would love to work more on it.

[Palancia]

For a definition, I would say: a unitary state is one wherein the central government holds all sovereignty in principle, which it can devolve to lower governments. A federal state is one wherein the central governments gets is sovereignty from the participating provinces and can only act in those areas in which the participating provinces have allowed it to act, with a minimum requirement of managing all foreign affairs.

Try to apply this to the federation and unitary state that you live in, and see if it holds up. I would love to work more on it.

Federalism allows a nation to manage itself better as its giving more power to local governments. Depending on the nation, elections for seats are proportioned based on the popular vote, while the others make it simpler by having equal representation in one chamber and proportion seats based on population in the other.

[Kaggeceria]

Federalism is bad and leads to neo-secessionist states like California disregarding federal law.

[Palancia]

Great news! Join the Discord server and you can self assign roles!

[Palancia]

Federalism is bad and leads to neo-secessionist states like California disregarding federal law.

Federalism advocates for a strong national government. A strong national government would be able to put down rebellions. US Constitution even says that a state can't secede from the United States.

[Major-Tom]

Federalism is bad and leads to neo-secessionist states like California disregarding federal law.

This country has a strong federalist tradition for a reason; and that is because we are such a large country, with diverse peoples, diverse opinions, cultures, traditions etc etc. For one central government to be incredibly strong in governing all these diverse peoples would be, well, a little out of place.

Of course, the central/federal government gets to make key decisions, but I have no problems with states, local governments, and cities having a large degree of autonomy. If anything, I think that in a country like ours, it makes us stronger.

[Palancia]

Make sure ya'll join the Discord!

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[Lillorainen]

As a player coming from a Federal Republic and running a Federation on NS, I do think I can call myself pro-federalist (in a sense of strengthening regional autonomy).
Federalist nations exist for a number of reasons - for historical reasons (e.g. USA, Germany, Australia, Brazil, Switzerland, India), for ethnic/linguistic reasons (e.g. Belgium, Russia, again Switzerland and India); they can exist due to unification of formerly sovereign states (e.g. USA, Germany, Switzerland, historically the SU, Yugoslavia), or due to formerly centralist states being federalized (e.g. Belgium, Austria, BiH).
(My NS nation is an oddly extreme example of all of the above, but that's another story.)
While, of course, a federal system is not suitable/necessary for all countries, I do think it does have its raison d'être in those nations that have it - mostly for the reasons mentioned above. Self-administration on a regional level may swallow a lot of tax dollars/euros/francs/rupees/whatever, yes, but they are also important for regional identity, and in my opinion, the principle of subsidiarity makes a country, especially a large one, more efficient - given that it's done the right way, that is. A centralist government has to deal with all political issues, whereas a federalist or devolved government (UK, Spain, Serbia, PRC being good examples for the latter) can delegate most, less substantial issues to lower-level authorities - also, cultural policies can be managed better on a local level than on a national one, in countries with many different local cultures.
Just my two cents. Don't spend them all at once.

[Palancia]

As a player coming from a Federal Republic and running a Federation on NS, I do think I can call myself pro-federalist (in a sense of strengthening regional autonomy).
Federalist nations exist for a number of reasons - for historical reasons (e.g. USA, Germany, Australia, Brazil, Switzerland, India), for ethnic/linguistic reasons (e.g. Belgium, Russia, again Switzerland and India); they can exist due to unification of formerly sovereign states (e.g. USA, Germany, Switzerland, historically the SU, Yugoslavia), or due to formally centralist states being federalized (e.g. Belgium, Austria, BiH).
(My NS nation is an oddly extreme example of all of the above, but that's another story.)
While, of course, a federal system is not suitable/necessary for all countries, I do think it does have its raison d'être in those nations that have it - mostly for the reasons mentioned above. Self-administration on a regional level may swallow a lot of tax dollars/euros/francs/rupees/whatever, yes, but they are also important for regional identity, and in my opinion, the principle of subsidiarity makes a country, especially a large one, more efficient - given that it's done the right way, that is. A centralist government has to deal with all political issues, whereas a federalist or devolved government (UK, Spain, Serbia, PRC being good examples for the latter) can delegate most, less substatial issues to lower-level authorities - also, cultural policies can be managed better on a local level than on a national one, in countries with many different local cultures.
Just my two cents. Don't spend them all at once.

Exactly. It makes governing a nation so much easier.

[Frisbeeteria]

Make sure ya'll join the Discord!

As this entire topic seems to be more about joining your Discord than actually discussing anything, iLock.