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Have the Brett Kavanaugh hearings backfired on the left?

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:54 am

"They blew it on Kavanaugh. They did something that was transparently unfair; transparently un-American; that is, trying to condemn somebody without any kind of due process. And we all saw it. Men looked at it, and said 'that could be me.' Women looked at it and said 'that could be my husband; my brother; my son.' " - Kurt Schlichter

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Brett's other reasons he'd be a bad judge notwithstanding, are you not setting a precedent that encourages false rape accusations as much as the real ones? Suppose person A is prone to falsely accusing their least favourite candidates of sexual assault. Suppose person B is not. Does this then advantage person A's politics over that of person B? Does this not incentivize false rape accusations, and/or the selection of candidates that false rape accusers prefer?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:01 am

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:15 am

Two words:

“You Bet.”

I 100 percent expect Kavanaugh to issue tons of far right judgements now to get back at those who tried to destroy him politically, socially,professionally.

If I were in his shoes and now armed with the power of a Supreme Court judge, I’d do the same thing. The Democratic Party will pay for playing dirty.

It’s tine for him to hit back.
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Postby Angleter » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:11 am

I think Democrats have surrendered any chance they had of taking the Senate. The impression I get from the polls and poll aggregators I've seen is that things have shifted away from them, especially in red states where Kavanaugh is popular. Bredesen, Beto, Heitkamp, McCaskill all seem to be in much worse situations now than they were this time last month.

I don't think that's so much because people in general sympathise with Kavanaugh - as far as I can tell opinion on him and on the allegations against him is split, and I expect they'll most likely still take the House - but it probably is because the people those candidates need to win sympathise with Kavanaugh. And the flip-side for those who supported Kavanaugh, like Bredesen and Manchin, is that they've now lost large amounts of out-of-state funding/support, and probably also prompted quite a few local Democrat activists to stop campaigning for them too.

It'll all turn out to be very, very ironic if Breyer or Ginsburg decide to hang up their gowns in the next couple of years.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:27 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote: Does this not incentivize false rape accusations, and/or the selection of candidates that false rape accusers prefer?


You mean that thing the Republicans said they were going to do, thus preemptively undermining any sexual assault allegation made against a Democratic candidate?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:30 am

Presumably we will find out in November as the post-election analysis is done.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:07 pm

People are still addicted to the "Literally anything the Democrats do make them lose yugely" meme? Get some help.
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Postby NS Miami Shores » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:08 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote: Does this not incentivize false rape accusations, and/or the selection of candidates that false rape accusers prefer?


You mean that thing the Republicans said they were going to do, thus preemptively undermining any sexual assault allegation made against a Democratic candidate?

Again, there is no evidence of guilt by Kavanaugh, if the Lady's charges are true she did not prove her case, investigated by the FBI at least 8 times by now to positions of power, this was not just another job interview, this was a political kangaroo court trial on national TV and cable by the Leftist Democrats in congress who tried him and found him guilty without evidence in attempt to discredit him as a Supreme Court Justice, because they want a Leftist Liberal Democrat Supreme Court Justice, the only thing that would have satisfied them is an admittance of guilt by Kavanaugh of unproven charges against him, Infected Mushroom is right on this point.

But I dont think Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is going to seek revenge and vengence on those Leftist democrats that tried to destroy him and his respected reputation before these unproven charges ever came up.

I don't think he is going to treat democrats, republicans, independents, leftists, socialists, communists, fascists and nazis who may have a court case before him any different than before.

We have just been through an NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh Confirmation Thread.

Our OP Thread Host LimaUniformNovemberAlpha should make a good Poll for this thread, if our OP thread Host chooses too, lets all encourage LimaUniformNovemberAlpha to do so on our posts on this thread.
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Postby Roosevetania » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:10 pm

No, I don't think so. In fact, I think this looks bad on Republicans for shoving him through. However, McCaskill's and Heitkamp's votes didn't help them. In any case, the Democrats weren't going to take the Senate anyway.
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Postby NS Miami Shores » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:13 pm

Roosevetania wrote:No, I don't think so. In fact, I think this looks bad on Republicans for shoving him through. However, McCaskill's and Heitkamp's votes didn't help them. In any case, the Democrats weren't going to take the Senate anyway.

lol, just like the Democrats would have so called shoved a Leftist Supreme Court Justice nominee if the situation were reversed, both sides the right and the left are biased towards thier own political views it is called politics, It is called different economic, political and social views. Can we all at least agree on this point?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:26 pm

NS Miami Shores wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You mean that thing the Republicans said they were going to do, thus preemptively undermining any sexual assault allegation made against a Democratic candidate?

Again, there is no evidence of guilt by Kavanaugh, if the Lady's charges are true she did not prove her case, investigated by the FBI at least 8 times by now to positions of power, this was not just another job interview, this was a political kangaroo court trial on national TV and cable by the Leftist Democrats in congress who tried him and found him guilty without evidence in attempt to discredit him as a Supreme Court Justice, because they want a Leftist Liberal Democrat Supreme Court Justice, the only thing that would have satisfied them is an admittance of guilt by Kavanaugh of unproven charges against him, Infected Mushroom is right on this point.

But I dont think Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is going to seek revenge and vengence on those Leftist democrats that tried to destroy him and his respected reputation before these unproven charges ever came up.

I don't think he is going to treat democrats, republicans, independents, leftists, socialists, communists, fascists and nazis who may have a court case before him any different than before.

We have just been through an NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh Confirmation Thread.

Our OP Thread Host LimaUniformNovemberAlpha should make a good Poll for this thread, if our OP thread Host chooses too, lets all encourage LimaUniformNovemberAlpha to do so on our posts on this thread.


And what does any of that have to do with Graham stating that the GOP will start inventing sexual assault allegations against Democratic candidates, aside from you looking for an excuse to spout your canned spiel about how oppressed Kavanaugh was?
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:27 pm

Ifreann wrote:Presumably we will find out in November as the post-election analysis is done.


Headlines if Republicans win big/literally anything happens: "Did Kav cost Dems the election?"

Headlines if and only if Dems outperform or win big: "Did Kav restrain the Dems potential?"
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Postby Republic of Turbin » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:35 pm

If the Kavanaugh story holds in the media.I think independants will vote in the republicans favor and keep the republicans in power.the democrats definitely overplayed their hand but it won’t matter if the republicans don’t keep the story in the spotlight.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:04 pm

I don't know but I can't help but feel the pure partisanship of it is going to have a serious impact on how we look at allegations going forward.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:04 pm

Des-Bal wrote:I don't know but I can't help but feel the pure partisanship of it is going to have a serious impact on how we look at allegations going forward.

Given how the Democrats handled Al Franken's stuff... I suspect that there'd be a double standard going fowards. Democrats can't do anything wrong or they'll be ousted. Republicans can be frickin' accused of unlawful actions worthy of felony charges and get 48% of the vote.
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NS Miami Shores wrote:Our OP Thread Host LimaUniformNovemberAlpha should make a good Poll for this thread, if our OP thread Host chooses too, lets all encourage LimaUniformNovemberAlpha to do so on our posts on this thread.

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Valrifell wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Presumably we will find out in November as the post-election analysis is done.


Headlines if Republicans win big/literally anything happens: "Did Kav cost Dems the election?"

Headlines if and only if Dems outperform or win big: "Did Kav restrain the Dems potential?"

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USS Monitor wrote:Has this thread reminded me that NSG is full of teenage boys? Yes, it has.

How so?
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:29 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Headlines if Republicans win big/literally anything happens: "Did Kav cost Dems the election?"

Headlines if and only if Dems outperform or win big: "Did Kav restrain the Dems potential?"

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Ahh yes, a Jar Jar meme, quite possibly the most appropriate meme to discuss SCOTUS hearings.

Regarding Kav, I think it has, based on the polls that I'm seeing. Here's where I'm curious: if the Reps win three more Senate Seats, (as I'm predicting, and technically two more cause lol Heitcamp, Heidi, Heidi, Heidi, Ho - too soon?) will the Dems be able to take the Senate back in 2020, even if they win the Presidency* and if not, what's going to happen with an eight member SCOTUS on a 4-4 split?

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:35 pm

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Ahh yes, a Jar Jar meme, quite possibly the most appropriate meme to discuss SCOTUS hearings.

Regarding Kav, I think it has, based on the polls that I'm seeing. Here's where I'm curious: if the Reps win three more Senate Seats, (as I'm predicting, and technically two more cause lol Heitcamp, Heidi, Heidi, Heidi, Ho - too soon?) will the Dems be able to take the Senate back in 2020, even if they win the Presidency* and if not, what's going to happen with an eight member SCOTUS on a 4-4 split?

*Contingent on Democrats having a good candidate, and on the economy not being good, other terms and conditions can apply, see store for details, and remember that the US elections can cause diarrhea


The lower court's decision stands if it was an appeal, and the Court can decide to hear a similar case again if otherwise.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:40 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Ahh yes, a Jar Jar meme, quite possibly the most appropriate meme to discuss SCOTUS hearings.

Regarding Kav, I think it has, based on the polls that I'm seeing. Here's where I'm curious: if the Reps win three more Senate Seats, (as I'm predicting, and technically two more cause lol Heitcamp, Heidi, Heidi, Heidi, Ho - too soon?) will the Dems be able to take the Senate back in 2020, even if they win the Presidency* and if not, what's going to happen with an eight member SCOTUS on a 4-4 split?

*Contingent on Democrats having a good candidate, and on the economy not being good, other terms and conditions can apply, see store for details, and remember that the US elections can cause diarrhea


The lower court's decision stands if it was an appeal, and the Court can decide to hear a similar case again if otherwise.


Interesting, thank you!
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538 is currently showing an 80% chance of a House flip, by the by.
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Postby Bearstin » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:42 pm

100% yes. They made themselves look foolish with this attempt to discredit someone. They hadn’t no evidence to present, only emotional appeals.
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