Israeli Court orders NZ citizens:pay fine for music boycott

[Len Hyet]

Mossad Meeting:

Agent 1: "Shalom, I took down a Hamas cell, what'd you do?"
Agent 2: "Shalom, I evacuated our units from a place where they weren't supposed to be, to safety"
Agent 3: "Shalom, I stole a Yaris and a Prius in New Zealand, while being tortured by Lorde's music!"
Agents 1 & 2: "Daaaamn!"

An MI-6 agent, a DGSE agent, a GRU agent, and a Mossad agent all get together for a training exercise in the forest.

The GRU agent says "I bet you I can catch a rabbit faster than the rest of you".

"You're on" say the other three.

The GRU agent takes a swig of vodka, accidentally leaves his taxi receipt behind, runs into the forest, and 15 minutes later comes back with a rabbit.

"I scoff at your rabbit-catching skills" says the DGSE agent, who downs a glass of fine red wine, finishes off his Gauloise, runs into the forest, and 10 minutes later comes back with a rabbit.

"I say, chaps" says the MI-6 agent "you're a bit slow with the rabbit catching"; he downs a Vesper martini, adjusts his bow tie, runs into the forest, and 5 minutes later comes back with a rabbit.

"I can do better than all of you" says the Mossad agent, and without even pausing to pander to narrow cultural stereotypes, runs in the the forest, and...

10 minutes pass

20 minutes pass

30 minutes pass

The MI-6, DGSE, and GRU agents decide to find out what happened to the Mossad agent.

A couple of minutes later they find him repeatedly punching a fawn while shouting 'admit you're a rabbit; admit you're a rabbit!'

I originally heard that one with the CIA, MI6, and the KGB, only it goes a little different.

So the three end up in the rabbit hunting competition.

The CIA officers ride a helicopter deep into the forest, and about half an hour later they pop smoke and are airlifted out with a rabbit in a cage and a black bag over its head which they take to an indefinite detention center.

The MI6 launch a highly sophisticated surveillance operation of the forest, using state of the art cameras and paid informants. After two weeks of this MI6 shuts down the operation and declares that the rabbit never existed.

The KGB sends two officers into the forest. Five minutes later they walk out with a badly beaten bear who's shouting "Okay okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!"

[Scomagia]

The Israeli Government acts like entitled whiney babies. News at 11.

Seriously, Israel is a pathetic excuse for a "Democracy". They have demonstrated time and again that they do not respect the values of liberal democracies, even when they exist solely because of the support and molly coddling of liberal democracies in the west. I say cut them loose. Stop supporting them in any fashion.

[The Batorys]

The Israeli Government acts like entitled whiney babies. News at 11.

Seriously, Israel is a pathetic excuse for a "Democracy". They have demonstrated time and again that they do not respect the values of liberal democracies, even when they exist solely because of the support and molly coddling of liberal democracies in the west. I say cut them loose. Stop supporting them in any fashion.

For once, I agree with you.

Israel is a nuclear-armed power and has the strongest military in the region. They don't need our help, and it would probably be a good thing if their government's actions cost them for once.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Let me be clear that boycotting Israel is indirectly enabling Hamas. However, the correct answer from New Zealand had better have been two-fold: first, say "come and take it", and two, say "sovereign immunity".

I love Israel and have always bashed "Palestine" for good reason, but the moment Israel tries to subject me to their laws when I am not in the country is the moment I say no. They won't get one shekel out of me unless I did something in the country.

[The Batorys]

Let me be clear that boycotting Israel is indirectly enabling Hamas. However, the correct answer from New Zealand had better have been two-fold: first, say "come and take it", and two, say "sovereign immunity".

I love Israel and have always bashed "Palestine" for good reason, but the moment Israel tries to subject me to their laws when I am not in the country is the moment I say no. They won't get one shekel out of me unless I did something in the country.

One of my close friends is Palestinian.

I'm boycotting Israel. De facto also boycotting Hamas, since IIRC they don't really have anything for sale.

[Scomagia]

Let me be clear that boycotting Israel is indirectly enabling Hamas. However, the correct answer from New Zealand had better have been two-fold: first, say "come and take it", and two, say "sovereign immunity".

I love Israel and have always bashed "Palestine" for good reason, but the moment Israel tries to subject me to their laws when I am not in the country is the moment I say no. They won't get one shekel out of me unless I did something in the country.

False. This is equivalent to saying that a boycott against the United States is indirect enabling of Al Queda. It's patently ridiculous.

[The Batorys]

Let me be clear that boycotting Israel is indirectly enabling Hamas. However, the correct answer from New Zealand had better have been two-fold: first, say "come and take it", and two, say "sovereign immunity".

I love Israel and have always bashed "Palestine" for good reason, but the moment Israel tries to subject me to their laws when I am not in the country is the moment I say no. They won't get one shekel out of me unless I did something in the country.

False. This is equivalent to saying that a boycott against the United States is indirect enabling of Al Queda. It's patently ridiculous.

Exactly.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Seriously, Israel is a pathetic excuse for a "Democracy". They have demonstrated time and again that they do not respect the values of liberal democracies, even when they exist solely because of the support and molly coddling of liberal democracies in the west. I say cut them loose. Stop supporting them in any fashion.

Why should they? They are bordered by a terrorist network in Lebanon, surrounded by hostile powers (except Egypt, and only because they ROFL-stomped them), and the "Palestinians" are constantly trying to kill them and launch rockets onto civilian targets while putting their military targets in the presence of civilian zones. I mean, the Gaza Strip is run by terrorists and everyone that voted for them down there are also terrorists. Samaria is run by rabid nationalists that prefer peaceful operations over terror, and while I'm normally fond of rabid nationalism, the concept of "Palestinen" doesn't actually exist.

There was never a "Palestinian" king, ruler, president, or any other institution before they conveniently became an excuse to stop Jewish resettlement after 1945 AD. Not to mention that the War of Partition was the "Palestinian's" fault, not Israel. The initial borders were agreed to, but "Palestine" invaded. Also, Palestinian "refugees" are so oppressed in Israel that their numbers have doubled and they've grown fat! What a horrible place to be!

[The Batorys]

Seriously, Israel is a pathetic excuse for a "Democracy". They have demonstrated time and again that they do not respect the values of liberal democracies, even when they exist solely because of the support and molly coddling of liberal democracies in the west. I say cut them loose. Stop supporting them in any fashion.

Why should they? They are bordered by a terrorist network in Lebanon, surrounded by hostile powers (except Egypt, and only because they ROFL-stomped them), and the "Palestinians" are constantly trying to kill them and launch rockets onto civilian targets while putting their military targets in the presence of civilian zones. I mean, the Gaza Strip is run by terrorists and everyone that voted for them down there are also terrorists. Samaria is run by rabid nationalists that prefer peaceful operations over terror, and while I'm normally fond of rabid nationalism, the concept of "Palestinen" doesn't actually exist.

There was never a "Palestinian" king, ruler, president, or any other institution before they conveniently became an excuse to stop Jewish resettlement after 1945 AD. Not to mention that the War of Partition was the "Palestinian's" fault, not Israel. The initial borders were agreed to, but "Palestine" invaded. Also, Palestinian "refugees" are so oppressed in Israel that their numbers have doubled and they've grown fat! What a horrible place to be!

So I can just go into your home and kick you out?

[Scomagia]

The Israeli Government acts like entitled whiney babies. News at 11.

Seriously, Israel is a pathetic excuse for a "Democracy". They have demonstrated time and again that they do not respect the values of liberal democracies, even when they exist solely because of the support and molly coddling of liberal democracies in the west. I say cut them loose. Stop supporting them in any fashion.

For once, I agree with you.

Israel is a nuclear-armed power and has the strongest military in the region. They don't need our help, and it would probably be a good thing if their government's actions cost them for once.

I'm sure we've agreed sometime before this thread.

Yeah, they can take care of themselves. It's time for the United States to stop standing up for them. This goes for a lot of other countries, as well.

[Scomagia]

Seriously, Israel is a pathetic excuse for a "Democracy". They have demonstrated time and again that they do not respect the values of liberal democracies, even when they exist solely because of the support and molly coddling of liberal democracies in the west. I say cut them loose. Stop supporting them in any fashion.

Why should they? They are bordered by a terrorist network in Lebanon, surrounded by hostile powers (except Egypt, and only because they ROFL-stomped them), and the "Palestinians" are constantly trying to kill them and launch rockets onto civilian targets while putting their military targets in the presence of civilian zones. I mean, the Gaza Strip is run by terrorists and everyone that voted for them down there are also terrorists. Samaria is run by rabid nationalists that prefer peaceful operations over terror, and while I'm normally fond of rabid nationalism, the concept of "Palestinen" doesn't actually exist.

There was never a "Palestinian" king, ruler, president, or any other institution before they conveniently became an excuse to stop Jewish resettlement after 1945 AD. Not to mention that the War of Partition was the "Palestinian's" fault, not Israel. The initial borders were agreed to, but "Palestine" invaded. Also, Palestinian "refugees" are so oppressed in Israel that their numbers have doubled and they've grown fat! What a horrible place to be!

I never mentioned Palestine. *gasp*

Incidentally, your neighbors being shitbirds doesn't make it acceptable to be the same.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

False. This is equivalent to saying that a boycott against the United States is indirect enabling of Al Queda. It's patently ridiculous.

If Al-Qaeda had a domestic base in the USA, controlled actual land in the USA, and constantly tried to murder, invade, and bomb Americans while painting Americans as criminals for shooting back, then yes, it would be enabling Al-Qaeda to fight the USA.

All "Palestinians" that voted for Hamas are terrorists. If a "Palestinian" did not vote for Hamas in the Gaza Strip, he is not a terrorist. If he did, he is. There are no exceptions.

Personally, I think we should should just give them "Palestine" the entire Gaza Strip, have the Jews take the rest, and pay huge sums to repatriate all of the "Palestinians" to the Gaza Strip. Then, build wall between it and the Israeli side and be done with it.
The problem is that they won't accept anything but the destruction of the Jewish state and they won't lay down their arms.

Alternately, the next time Palestine declares war/Intifada and starts shooting missiles and bombs at Israeli targets, respond with bomber planes. They already put all of their military targets next to civilian targets and they already store weaponry in schoolhouses and use civilians as human shields (that last one is a Slate article), so we might as well go big or go home. You don't bring Molotov cocktails to a peaceful protest and you don't drag children to a demonstration that often erupts in violence.

I doubt they'd shoot again if we did.

Has Israel committed any indecent, cruel, inhumane, or dishonorable acts? Absolutely, but they didn't start it, so their actions aren't as wrong, or unjustified, as "Palestine".

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Incidentally, your neighbors being crap doesn't make it acceptable to be the same.

It does when they are all trying to kill you. Had Israel laid down its arms, it would not exist. Everyone forgets that Israel doesn't fire the first shot in all of these instances.

[The Batorys]

For once, I agree with you.

Israel is a nuclear-armed power and has the strongest military in the region. They don't need our help, and it would probably be a good thing if their government's actions cost them for once.

I'm sure we've agreed sometime before this thread.

Yeah, they can take care of themselves. It's time for the United States to stop standing up for them. This goes for a lot of other countries, as well.

We'd also be much less resented in the region if we stopped paying for their wars.

[The Batorys]

False. This is equivalent to saying that a boycott against the United States is indirect enabling of Al Queda. It's patently ridiculous.

If Al-Qaeda had a domestic base in the USA, controlled actual land in the USA, and constantly tried to murder, invade, and bomb Americans while painting Americans as criminals for shooting back, then yes, it would be enabling Al-Qaeda to fight the USA.

All "Palestinians" that voted for Hamas are terrorists. If a "Palestinian" did not vote for Hamas in the Gaza Strip, he is not a terrorist. If he did, he is. There are no exceptions.

Personally, I think we should should just give them "Palestine" the entire Gaza Strip, have the Jews take the rest, and pay huge sums to repatriate all of the "Palestinians" to the Gaza Strip. Then, build wall between it and the Israeli side and be done with it.
The problem is that they won't accept anything but the destruction of the Jewish state and they won't lay down their arms.

Alternately, the next time Palestine declares war/Intifada and starts shooting missiles and bombs at Israeli targets, respond with bomber planes. They already put all of their military targets next to civilian targets and they already store weaponry in schoolhouses and use civilians as human shields (that last one is a Slate article), so we might as well go big or go home. You don't bring Molotov cocktails to a peaceful protest and you don't drag children to a demonstration that often erupts in violence.

I doubt they'd shoot again if we did.

Has Israel committed any indecent, cruel, inhumane, or dishonorable acts? Absolutely, but they didn't start it, so their actions aren't as wrong, or unjustified, as "Palestine".

The Gaza Strip is tiny.

[Scomagia]

False. This is equivalent to saying that a boycott against the United States is indirect enabling of Al Queda. It's patently ridiculous.

If Al-Qaeda had a domestic base in the USA, controlled actual land in the USA, and constantly tried to murder, invade, and bomb Americans while painting Americans as criminals for shooting back, then yes, it would be enabling Al-Qaeda to fight the USA.

All "Palestinians" that voted for Hamas are terrorists. If a "Palestinian" did not vote for Hamas in the Gaza Strip, he is not a terrorist. If he did, he is. There are no exceptions.

Personally, I think we should should just give them "Palestine" the entire Gaza Strip, have the Jews take the rest, and pay huge sums to repatriate all of the "Palestinians" to the Gaza Strip. Then, build wall between it and the Israeli side and be done with it.
The problem is that they won't accept anything but the destruction of the Jewish state and they won't lay down their arms.

Alternately, the next time Palestine declares war/Intifada and starts shooting missiles and bombs at Israeli targets, respond with bomber planes. They already put all of their military targets next to civilian targets and they already store weaponry in schoolhouses and use civilians as human shields (that last one is a Slate article), so we might as well go big or go home. You don't bring Molotov cocktails to a peaceful protest and you don't drag children to a demonstration that often erupts in violence.

I doubt they'd shoot again if we did.

Has Israel committed any indecent, cruel, inhumane, or dishonorable acts? Absolutely, but they didn't start it, so their actions aren't as wrong, or unjustified, as "Palestine".

Despite the wall of text, you still haven't demonstrated how a boycott supports Hamas. Your position is preposterous and it is blindingly obvious that you just want to rant about Palestine.

[Kaggeceria]

That just seems silly.

[Scomagia]

I'm sure we've agreed sometime before this thread.

Yeah, they can take care of themselves. It's time for the United States to stop standing up for them. This goes for a lot of other countries, as well.

We'd also be much less resented in the region if we stopped paying for their wars.

We'd be less resented globally if we stopped supporting asshole governments in general.

[Anarcho-Syndicalist Unions]

The fact that Israel this did is ridiculous.
I am strongly anti-Zionist. I think that the creation of Israel was a massive mistake that has caused massive suffering to many, most of all the Palestinians who have to suffer their land been taken from them, and suffer much oppression. I hope a peaceful solution can be found, but the damage that has already been done is significant.

I often refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine.