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Saudis allegedly murder Washington Post writer

Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:03 am

Saudi Arabia has allegedly murdered a Washington Post writer when he visited the Saudi Consulate in Turkey to get papers relating to his divorce.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-saudi-politics-dissident-exclusive/exclusive-turkish-police-believe-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-was-killed-in-consulate-sources-idUKKCN1MG0ID

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45775819

Fears are growing over missing Washington Post writer Jamal Khashoggi, after Turkish officials said they believe he has been murdered.
Mr Khashoggi, a Saudi national, went missing after visiting the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Tuesday.
A Turkish official told the BBC that initial investigations indicated he was murdered there.
Saudi Arabia has denied the accusations, saying it is "working to search for him".
The Washington Post said it would be a "monstrous and unfathomable act" if he had been killed.
The BBC's Istanbul correspondent, Mark Lowen, said it would plunge Turkish-Saudi relations into an unprecedented crisis.
Turkish officials have opened an investigation and have been speaking to the media on condition of anonymity.
They have not given any evidence for their claim, nor suggested how he might have been killed.


The forces of tyranny are getting bolder, see also the disappearance of the head of Interpol in China. If Turkey's allegations do prove to be true, and the Saudi response does seem to suggest they have kidnapped him at the very least, then I ask once again if these are the sort of people Western democracies should be involved with. I think not.
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Postby Tuya » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:05 am

Its the Saudis. Am i in any way surprised?

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Postby Mehrabad » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:07 am

Swap Saudi Arabia for Iran and then just imagine the media frenzy in the West.

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Postby Aclion » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:07 am

*doesn't trust turkey either* >.>
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:13 am

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Yep, if this had been Iran there'd be RAEG in right-wing media for days.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:14 am

Aclion wrote:*doesn't trust turkey either* >.>


Even so the man has mysteriously disappeared after visiting the consulate and the Saudis are denying knowing what happened to him.

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Postby Icadias » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:16 am

Lmao,Saudis,home of corrupted leaders,and um,monarchs,now murder
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:21 am

Mehrabad wrote:Swap Saudi Arabia for Iran and then just imagine the media frenzy in the West.


Well...

1) This latest news has only just come out, so there hasn't been much chance to react fully yet, and

2) There's already a building media frenzy across the political spectrum of UK and US media outlets:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45758096
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... sh-sources
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mi ... 0dd3893838
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... fcd4e68e68
https://www.foxnews.com/world/washingto ... paper-says
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/06/euro ... index.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/1 ... -kingdoms/

I couldn't find a story on the Daily Mail's website, mind.

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Postby Dreshand » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:23 am

Well then... I'm not sure how much I was expecting this
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Postby Dahon » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:44 am

They're getting bolder because democracy is in retreat. They're getting bolder because -- and oh how they all quibble over minor details! -- they feel the United States and most of eastern and central Europe are now going to join them.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:52 am

Turkey has asked to search the Saudi consulate

I suspect the answer will be a big no.

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Postby Page » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:05 am

Given that the Saudis are committing genocide in Yemen and are willing to bomb school buses and deliberately inflict famine and pestilence on the entire populace, it's not hard to believe they'd kill a journalist too.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:08 am

Well, holy shit my condolences to the writers family and the alleged murderer should be locked up.
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Postby Uxupox » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:08 am

Page wrote:Given that the Saudis are committing genocide in Yemen and are willing to bomb school buses and deliberately inflict famine and pestilence on the entire populace, it's not hard to believe they'd kill a journalist too.


They get imprisoned and killed if possible as they do not allow any sort of independent media within the country to operate.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:20 am

They did say that divorce can be deadly...

The husband's obligation is then to provide financial support for the divorced wife for a period of four months and ten days. A woman can only obtain a divorce with the consent of her husband or judicially if her husband has harmed her. In practice, it is very difficult for a Saudi woman to obtain a judicial divorce.


Maybe they're just going for gender equality? First they're letting women drive, now they're not letting men divorce, what's next?
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Postby Aclion » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:22 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Aclion wrote:*doesn't trust turkey either* >.>


Even so the man has mysteriously disappeared after visiting the consulate and the Saudis are denying knowing what happened to him.

For all we know the turks abducted him.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:31 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Turkey has asked to search the Saudi consulate

I suspect the answer will be a big no.

I believe the Saudis let them (don't have the sauce on me but I'll look around for it), but really all the Saudis have to do is mop up the blood before the Turks arrive, fold him up into a diplomatic bag like Philip does to that girl in that scene in the Americans, and smile and say "gosh we thought he went home with YOU!" :p
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Postby Digital Planets » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:34 am

First we kidnap the head of Interpol, so the organization will disband. Then we kidnap a writer of the Washington Post to make his company fall.

Now we go after the Canadian government.
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Postby Painisia » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:37 am

This is not surprising. The Saudis are known for their shady activities, from nightclub activities in London to international bribes. Now, some Saudi agents are going to show up at my door for writing this.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:38 am

Digital Planets wrote:First we kidnap the head of Interpol, so the organization will disband. Then we kidnap a writer of the Washington Post to make his company fall.

Now we go after the Canadian government.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:09 am

Shofercia wrote:They did say that divorce can be deadly...

The husband's obligation is then to provide financial support for the divorced wife for a period of four months and ten days. A woman can only obtain a divorce with the consent of her husband or judicially if her husband has harmed her. In practice, it is very difficult for a Saudi woman to obtain a judicial divorce.


Maybe they're just going for gender equality? First they're letting women drive, now they're not letting men divorce, what's next?

Oh hey, using a story on Saudi skullduggery to take a completely unrelated shot at women.
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Postby Vistulange » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:04 pm

Aclion wrote:
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Even so the man has mysteriously disappeared after visiting the consulate and the Saudis are denying knowing what happened to him.

For all we know the turks abducted him.

...

To what end?

I mean, Khashoggi is (hopefully not "was") rather critical of the Saudi regime, and Turkish-Saudi relations aren't the best. Not terrible, not excellent, but somewhere in between. What on Earth would Turkey have to gain from removing a Washington Post columnist which was critical of MBS and the system in Saudi Arabia? The good graces of Saudi Arabia, for removing a critical voice?

I like bashing on my country as much as this entire forum does, but come on. Turkey has nothing to gain by abducting or killing Khashoggi.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:06 pm

where tf do you even put a body in a consulate
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:where tf do you even put a body in a consulate

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