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Postby Saiwania » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:35 pm

Yokotari wrote:Here's a short list of people who don't suck.

Dobri Dobrev
Mother Teresa
Bob Ross
Martin Luther King Jr
Fred Rogers
Buddha
Jesus
Mahatma Gandhi
Anne Frank
Maximilian Kolbe
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Kyle Carpenter


Well, people are always going to have differing opinions about that.

Anne Frank? Give me a break, her only claim to fame is writing some silly little girl's diary, granted- the Nazis didn't allow her to live long enough. Even in middle school learning about her story, I found her to be quite contemptible. If that curriculum isn't big anymore, it is for the better.

MLK, he was practically a Communist, but if he hated income inequality and racism as exemplified in the US at the time, it might be understandable how he became so misguided as to embrace Marxist politics like Paul Robeson.

Buddha, some person who sat under a tree for 10+ years is supposed to be admirable?
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:37 pm

If it's an effort for you to be nice then you aren't nice, you're just BEING nice. The idea of BEING nice is that if we all put in the effort to do it the world will suck less. I am not nice, I try to be nice when situations allow but if the behavior of other people requires me to be a bastard I can drop the facade pretty quick.
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:47 pm

Don't forget that the logical conclusion of anti-social behavior is that this person is someone who would kill or rape you. Their actions and their disposition ultimately point to that. For that reason, niceness long was and should be the only code of conduct we tolerate, aggression - which obviously implies a willingness to destroy others - was always banned in the past and should be again.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:49 pm

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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:56 pm

Be nice to prove you’ the better person. Remember slights in the spirit they are given, so that you can redress them in a firm but non-dickish way later.
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Postby Kubrath » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:53 pm

Niceness is overrated. You should be compassionate, for sure, but only to the people you care about, and I doubt you care about everyone. There's a line between being compassionate and showing courtesy, and finding that line is key to stop being a pushover.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:01 pm

Be nice within reason.
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Postby Alanis Star » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:02 pm

Whatever it takes to make the place more positive. Though with limits.

No, I don’t bend over backwards to everyone around me and being a pushover, but I just don’t have it in me to lash out at someone and instead just share my disappointment towards them if they mess up big time.

As for those that were assholes to me? I just sort of ignored them. Though... it’s been a while since I had that issue because that was over 8 years ago, and now I’m more or less fine with people around me.

I am also aware that being overly nice can be annoying, but if someone needs a listening ear or Ian down, I’ll be there to cheer them up. The world just needs a little bit more positivity.

Most importantly, always look for the good side of someone. Someone who took drugs isn’t to be shunned as being not nice. Maybe he is a compassionate character that fell on hard times and needs help.
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Postby Kubrath » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:23 pm

Yokotari wrote:Here's a short list of people who don't suck.
Dobri Dobrev
Mother Teresa
Bob Ross
Martin Luther King Jr
Fred Rogers
Buddha
Jesus
Mahatma Gandhi
Anne Frank
Maximilian Kolbe
Victoria Leigh Soto
Aaron Feis
Desmond Doss
Major Charles L. Kelly
Welles Crowther
Rick Rescorla
Kyle Carpenter


Mother Teresa sucked quite a bit, especially money from crooks and dictators which no one could ever track. Her entire charity lacked any kind of standards, what with the squalid conditions in her hospices and the fact that her charity dealt in shady business, such as selling babies and funneling dirty cash.

Gandhi, the "Saint", was a racist. Enough said.
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Phocidaea wrote:Maybe democracy isn't the way?

Of course democracy is the way, dammit! There is no such thing as too much democracy!

Fuckin' dictatorships.

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Postby Kubrath » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:30 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kubrath wrote:Niceness is overrated. You should be compassionate, for sure, but only to the people you care about, and I doubt you care about everyone. There's a line between being compassionate and showing courtesy, and finding that line is key to stop being a pushover.

I argue that's not possible for a Christian, and would be heresy.
EDIT: Christians are mandated to try to be nice to everyone. You may fail, but hey, that's life, we're human.


Wasn't it Jesus who said in Luke 14:25-27 that you should abandon your family, friends and even your own life if it means following him? And wasn't he who said in Matthew 10:34 that he hadn't come to bring peace but a sword? Doesn't sound like a nice guy to me, even with all that hypocritical "meek shall inherit the earth" and "thy neighbor" crap. There's no specific mandate in the Bible about being nice.
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North Valinka: What kind of an oxymoron is "Libertarian Police State"?
Petroviya: It arrests law makers.

Phocidaea wrote:Maybe democracy isn't the way?

Of course democracy is the way, dammit! There is no such thing as too much democracy!

Fuckin' dictatorships.

Sociobiology wrote:This is the problem with trying to understand the universe with a brain evolved to find ripe fruit and scream defiance at the ape in the next tree.

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Postby Kubrath » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:37 pm

Alanis Star wrote:Most importantly, always look for the good side of someone. Someone who took drugs isn’t to be shunned as being not nice. Maybe he is a compassionate character that fell on hard times and needs help.


I had a stoner roommate once. That's far from a junkie, for sure, but I imagine the latter would far worse. He made a filthy mess everywhere he went, especially in the living room. The guy drove us all insane and we tried to reason with him in a compassionate manner, but it only made it worse, as it made him think he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it with some mild scolding. It's only after I flipped out on him that he got his shit together. Looking at the bright side of life is nice and all, but part of living in a messy world is being able to weigh in all sides of things and taking the right approach. Sometimes the right thing to do is to not be nice.
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If your commanders are surprised every time they lose a squad, they probably die several minutes into a campaign due to being critically over-gasped.

North Valinka: What kind of an oxymoron is "Libertarian Police State"?
Petroviya: It arrests law makers.

Phocidaea wrote:Maybe democracy isn't the way?

Of course democracy is the way, dammit! There is no such thing as too much democracy!

Fuckin' dictatorships.

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Postby Alanis Star » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm

Kubrath wrote:
Alanis Star wrote:Most importantly, always look for the good side of someone. Someone who took drugs isn’t to be shunned as being not nice. Maybe he is a compassionate character that fell on hard times and needs help.


I had a stoner roommate once. That's far from a junkie, for sure, but I imagine the latter would far worse. He made a filthy mess everywhere he went, especially in the living room. The guy drove us all insane and we tried to reason with him in a compassionate manner, but it only made it worse, as it made him think he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it with some mild scolding. It's only after I flipped out on him that he got his shit together. Looking at the bright side of life is nice and all, but part of living in a messy world is being able to weigh in all sides of things and taking the right approach. Sometimes the right thing to do is to not be nice.


Ahh, damn, sorry to hear that. Yeah, I agree with that. I would sooner or later lose it too if someone is being that messy. I guess sometimes, if all else fails, you have to set them straight and be stern.
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Postby Kubrath » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:04 am

Alanis Star wrote:
Kubrath wrote:
I had a stoner roommate once. That's far from a junkie, for sure, but I imagine the latter would far worse. He made a filthy mess everywhere he went, especially in the living room. The guy drove us all insane and we tried to reason with him in a compassionate manner, but it only made it worse, as it made him think he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it with some mild scolding. It's only after I flipped out on him that he got his shit together. Looking at the bright side of life is nice and all, but part of living in a messy world is being able to weigh in all sides of things and taking the right approach. Sometimes the right thing to do is to not be nice.


Ahh, damn, sorry to hear that. Yeah, I agree with that. I would sooner or later lose it too if someone is being that messy. I guess sometimes, if all else fails, you have to set them straight and be stern.


Damn straight. There's only so much a person can take.
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North Valinka: What kind of an oxymoron is "Libertarian Police State"?
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Phocidaea wrote:Maybe democracy isn't the way?

Of course democracy is the way, dammit! There is no such thing as too much democracy!

Fuckin' dictatorships.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:26 am

Alanis Star wrote:Whatever it takes to make the place more positive. Though with limits.

No, I don’t bend over backwards to everyone around me and being a pushover, but I just don’t have it in me to lash out at someone and instead just share my disappointment towards them if they mess up big time.

As for those that were assholes to me? I just sort of ignored them. Though... it’s been a while since I had that issue because that was over 8 years ago, and now I’m more or less fine with people around me.

I am also aware that being overly nice can be annoying, but if someone needs a listening ear or Ian down, I’ll be there to cheer them up. The world just needs a little bit more positivity.

Most importantly, always look for the good side of someone. Someone who took drugs isn’t to be shunned as being not nice. Maybe he is a compassionate character that fell on hard times and needs help.


I don't really see the point in looking too deeply into whether someone who's a pest has a hidden "good side". If they do more bad than good to society, then you do good by doing your best to get them out of the way and, if possible, get them removed by the authorities who are likely to have people much more highly trained in dealing with offenders than a random individual with a saviour complex.
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Postby Kubrath » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:37 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Alanis Star wrote:Whatever it takes to make the place more positive. Though with limits.

No, I don’t bend over backwards to everyone around me and being a pushover, but I just don’t have it in me to lash out at someone and instead just share my disappointment towards them if they mess up big time.

As for those that were assholes to me? I just sort of ignored them. Though... it’s been a while since I had that issue because that was over 8 years ago, and now I’m more or less fine with people around me.

I am also aware that being overly nice can be annoying, but if someone needs a listening ear or Ian down, I’ll be there to cheer them up. The world just needs a little bit more positivity.

Most importantly, always look for the good side of someone. Someone who took drugs isn’t to be shunned as being not nice. Maybe he is a compassionate character that fell on hard times and needs help.


I don't really see the point in looking too deeply into whether someone who's a pest has a hidden "good side". If they do more bad than good to society, then you do good by doing your best to get them out of the way and, if possible, get them removed by the authorities who are likely to have people much more highly trained in dealing with offenders than a random individual with a saviour complex.


A good rule of thumb is to never bend over backwards to a priest.
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Phocidaea wrote:Maybe democracy isn't the way?

Of course democracy is the way, dammit! There is no such thing as too much democracy!

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Postby Page » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:42 am

Yokotari wrote:Mother Teresa


Mother Teresa was a terrible person.
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Postby Ghost Land » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:46 am

Page wrote:
Yokotari wrote:Mother Teresa


Mother Teresa was a terrible person.

I agree. She believed suffering was a gift from God and a large part of her motive was just to promote Catholicism as opposed to actually wanting to help out of the goodness of her own heart.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:57 am

Kubrath wrote:A good rule of thumb is to never bend over backwards to a priest.


To bend in any direction really, particularly if you're a kid or in your early teens.
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Postby Kubrath » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:42 am

Ghost Land wrote:
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Mother Teresa was a terrible person.

I agree. She believed suffering was a gift from God and a large part of her motive was just to promote Catholicism as opposed to actually wanting to help out of the goodness of her own heart.


It goes further than that. In her homes for the dying, not only did people die in horrible suffering amid unsanitary conditions but they were refused even the most basic painkillers. Post-mortem baptisms were (and probably still are) routinely performed by her convents, thus degrading them even in death. Much like her bosses, she was opposed to birth control and divorce, because what's better for the Catholic mafia than a whole lot of poor, uneducated and miserable people in need of a charitable hand?
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Postby Pinch Me » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:38 am

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Perhaps it's not so much incentive as it is instinct to not, you know, rip your fellows apart...That's why sociopaths/psychopaths have different brains than what is the norm, because the ideal makeup of a living being (read as: human, some other mammals) is to include some level of either empathy or amicability to your herd. If your species has evolved to work as a group, that group is more likely to survive if its members are caring and kind to one another.
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Yokotari wrote:Dobri Dobrev
Mother Teresa
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Buddha
Jesus
Mahatma Gandhi
Anne Frank
Maximilian Kolbe
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Aaron Feis
Desmond Doss
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Welles Crowther
Rick Rescorla
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:47 am

Alanis Star wrote:
Kubrath wrote:
I had a stoner roommate once. That's far from a junkie, for sure, but I imagine the latter would far worse. He made a filthy mess everywhere he went, especially in the living room. The guy drove us all insane and we tried to reason with him in a compassionate manner, but it only made it worse, as it made him think he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it with some mild scolding. It's only after I flipped out on him that he got his shit together. Looking at the bright side of life is nice and all, but part of living in a messy world is being able to weigh in all sides of things and taking the right approach. Sometimes the right thing to do is to not be nice.


Ahh, damn, sorry to hear that. Yeah, I agree with that. I would sooner or later lose it too if someone is being that messy. I guess sometimes, if all else fails, you have to set them straight and be stern.

There's no sense blaming cannabis for that, though, much less begrudging other people for consuming a drug that they have no reason to believe could result in them ending up like that.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:30 am

Because being nice is good.

It makes you cool.

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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:14 pm

Idk, I guess, that I am leaning to nice. I wouldn't call myself ''nice'', though - I would rather call myself ''neutral''. I mean, I probably say not so nice things sometimes, but I am not an outright asshole either.
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⚒ ᴛʜᴇ ɴᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ ᴡᴏʀʟᴅ ʀᴇᴘᴜʙʟɪᴄ ᴏꜰ ꜱɪʟᴠᴇʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴏɴᴡᴇᴀʟᴛʜ ⚒
|☐ʜᴏᴍᴇ☐|❖ꜱᴄ ɪɴ ʜᴏɪ4❖|★ꜱᴄ'ꜱ ʀᴀᴅɪᴏ&ʟᴏᴄᴀᴛɪᴏɴꜱ★|❇ᴄᴏɴꜱᴛɪᴛᴜᴛɪᴏɴ❇|✧ᴍɪʟɪᴛᴀʀʏ✧|✝ᴍᴀᴘꜱ&ɪɴꜰᴏ✝|☢ʜɪꜱᴛᴏʀʏ☢|
⚖ ᴀꜱ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍᴏᴅᴇʀᴀᴛᴇꜱ ᴀʀᴏᴜɴᴅ ᴛʜᴇᴍ ꜰᴇʟʟ,
ʀᴀᴅɪᴄᴀʟɪᴢᴀᴛɪᴏɴ ᴏꜰ ꜱᴄ'ꜱ ᴅᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏ ꜱᴜᴘᴘᴏʀᴛᴇʀꜱ ʙᴇᴄᴀᴍᴇ ᴀ ᴍᴀᴛᴛᴇʀ ᴏꜰ ꜱᴜʀᴠɪᴠᴀʟ ☠
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This nation doesn't represent my views

IRL views: not much different from 4 years ago (socdem)

Tom being a control freak + pathological distrust of private enterprises = this nation

''I thought that I was a conservative. Turns out, I was just sentimental at times''

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