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NO
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Total votes : 57

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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:28 pm

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The Constituent Assembly of The Federal Republic of Paisos Catalanns has completed the preparation of the new constitution of the new country.
Parliament, based in the capital of Barcelona, begins a crucial and historic session to vote on the adoption of the referendum law on the constitution.

We are waiting for 200 votes to ratify the constitution.
I hope to participate.

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Postby Brittany Normandy Aquitaine » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:02 pm

Finally someone breaks up spain
I ratifiy this constitution, and we are almost neighbors as well.

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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:11 pm

Brittany Normandy Aquitaine wrote:Finally someone breaks up spain
I ratifiy this constitution, and we are almost neighbors as well.


Greetings to our neighbors and thanks for your support.
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:40 pm

I wonder - what is the division of your nation's political parties, what is their relationship to one another, and what is the usual voter base of the parties?
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Postby Second Empire of America » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:44 pm

The American Empire endorses the new constitution, but we have a few things about it that we don't like. Article 13 grants protections to all speech, including hate speech, something that we strongly feel is a mistake. We also oppose Article 20, as we believe a constitutional monarchy would be beneficial for Paisos Catalans. However, the rest of the constitution is superbly written, and it is overall one of the better constitutions we've seen.
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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:45 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:I wonder - what is the division of your nation's political parties, what is their relationship to one another, and what is the usual voter base of the parties?


This is the list of political parties in our country and information about them

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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:04 pm

It's very good, the constitution is well-written and it is very well thought out. Just beware before you make public resources such as education into entitlements in your constitution rather than commitments of your individual laws, for you can accomplish just as much with a law but you may be obligated to do almost anything by a constitution.
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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:45 pm

Second Empire of America wrote:The American Empire endorses the new constitution, but we have a few things about it that we don't like. Article 13 grants protections to all speech, including hate speech, something that we strongly feel is a mistake. We also oppose Article 20, as we believe a constitutional monarchy would be beneficial for Paisos Catalans. However, the rest of the constitution is superbly written, and it is overall one of the better constitutions we've seen.



To: The American Empire.

I thank you very much for your support of our Constitution.
for the subject of article 13 the constitution guarantees the freedom of expression for all the people in respect to the laws also that do not allow any type of hatred, racism or discrimination as it comes in article 7.
About Article 20 we believe that the Catalan Piasos are for the people and for the people .. Therefore it is expressly forbidden the granting of titles of inheritance, nobility or other, on behalf of the State.

We look forward to a long life to the people of Second Empire of America and hope that in the future we will have good relations.

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Postby AHSCA » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:48 pm

The United Island States of AHSCA expresses recognition and support of the Constitution. May it guide it's people to a peaceful and prosperous future for all time and may we share good relations with each other in the future.

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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:56 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:It's very good, the constitution is well-written and it is very well thought out. Just beware before you make public resources such as education into entitlements in your constitution rather than commitments of your individual laws, for you can accomplish just as much with a law but you may be obligated to do almost anything by a constitution.



Thanks for the advice, we'll keep it in mind.
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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:08 pm

AHSCA wrote:The United Island States of AHSCA expresses recognition and support of the Constitution. May it guide it's people to a peaceful and prosperous future for all time and may we share good relations with each other in the future.




To: The United Island States of AHSCA

We thank your esteemed State for your recognition of our Constitution
We are in the process of developing the institutions of the modern state and we also aspire to establish good relations with each other in the future in all fields.

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Postby Koda-Land » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:37 pm

Koda-Land happily ratifies your constitution. Good work, it's a nicely written, well thought out piece of work.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:41 pm

This constitutional document appears to be well-drafted and revised, and the Greater Cesnican government shall honor it.
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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:43 pm

Koda-Land wrote:Koda-Land happily ratifies your constitution. Good work, it's a nicely written, well thought out piece of work.



To: Koda-Land

We thank your esteemed State for your recognition of our Constitution .
We have made a great effort to get this Constitution to build a new modern state .

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Greater Cesnica wrote:This constitutional document appears to be well-drafted and revised, and the Greater Cesnican government shall honor it.



To : Greater Cesnica

Thanks for your recognition .

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Postby Sacara » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:00 am

We have voted in favor of the proposed Constitution.
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Postby Clappity » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:34 am

Paisos Catalanns wrote:
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The Constituent Assembly of The Federal Republic of Paisos Catalanns has completed the preparation of the new constitution of the new country.
Parliament, based in the capital of Barcelona, begins a crucial and historic session to vote on the adoption of the referendum law on the constitution.

We are waiting for 200 votes to ratify the constitution.
I hope to participate.

The Constitution : https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pai ... id=1094369

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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:32 pm

Sacara wrote:We have voted in favor of the proposed Constitution.


Thank you . :)
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KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
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MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
BUREAUCRAT

TO THE CATALANNITE REPUBLIC:

Be it enacted that by order of the Second Sacred Junta of TurtleShroom, the Kingdom of the United Turtles, Mushrooms, and Men of TurtleShroom does hereby extend full diplomatic recognition of the sovereign state of the Federal Republic of Catalanns.

We commend your endeavors to create a free and prosperous state, but we would like to provide the following suggestions for improvement in your founding documents.

  • 1. We strongly oppose Title Two, Article Twenty, Clause One. The Catalonian and Catalannite peoples, and their Aragonese ancestors, once had kings. It is our strongest reccomendation that your nation reestablish its constitutional monarchy as an apolitical symbol of all that makes your nation and her heritage great. Although we know not if the Federal Republic of Catalanns ever entered a Personal Union or marriage with any Spainaird-cultured nation's crown, we nonetheless hope that a member of a Catalonian, Catalannite, or Aragonese royal family exists that could be restored to his rightful throne over a free and prosperous Catalannite state.
  • 2. We strongly advise that the Federal Republic of Catalanns remove the language in Title Two, Article Six, Clause One, the language in Title Two, Article Nine, Clause Three, the language in Title Two, Article Twenty-Two, acknowledging the sovereignty of the World Assembly and its treaties as equal to your Constitution. These are subject to change, are vague, and greatly expand the size, scope, and power of the government of your nation.
  • Title Two, Article Ten, Clause Six DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS all provisions in Title Two, Article Eight. The former can be interpreted to allow unrestricted abortion on demand. The latter declares the execution or killing of any human being, innocent or guilty, outside of self-defense, as an abomination. Your Constitution's current language creates a direct contradiction. That will be a legal nightmare for your courts and create a bzizare constitutional crisis that will have to later be rectified by amendment.
  • We strongly condeemn Title Nine, Article Two. This declares the state to be supreme to the parents in caring of children and directly infringes on the right of the parent. What if a parent wishes to raise a child in the moral upbringing of an Abrahamic religion and, thusly, teaches their child that homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, or whatever else is an abomination? Can the state take the child away for their parents teaching them "bad thoughts"? What if the parent makes medical decisions that a doctor may disagree with, such as refusing blood transfusions of any blood except the child's blood itself, in accordance with their religion? Can the state take the child away for following God or their gods over the medical community? In all circumstances, absent domestic abuse, neglect, beatings, and such threats to the child, the parental supremacy and right to rear a child as they see fit should be guarenteed as absolute.
  • We are worried about Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Two. What is the "right of free and truthful information"? -and what is truth? This opens up the potential for unlimited censorship of all media, particularly alternative media, for "fake news" as defined by the state. We request from the Catalannite a clarification between the relationship between this clause and Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Four.
  • The final clause in Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Two allows for the protection of the innocence and integrity of minors by suppressing speech that endangers their minds and souls. How far does this go? Can this clause be deployed to prevent homosexual indoctrination in the classroom, the invitation of men in drag and sexual deviants to disseminate propaganda in a taxpayer funded setting, or other forcing of sexual perversion? What about depictions of sexual relationships and homosexuality on children's television?
  • We noticed that Title Two, Article Seventeen guarentees univeral suffrage for all citizens, but it does not include provisions to bar felons, the mentally insane, or other extenuating conditions from voting. It also does not define the age of voting or empower the administrative districts below the federal government to set one. Why?
  • We are intrigued and somewhat worried by the pacifist clauses in Title Two, Article Twenty-Two. It caps defense spending without an exception for the invasion if your country. Worse, it also subjects your nation's armed forces to an United Nations....... which no longer exists. The United Nations was dissolved and succeeded by the World Assembly.
  • The worst part of Title Two, Article Twenty-Two is that it does not authorize any exceptions for invasion. For example, Clause Four forbids the military to engage in any non-humanitarian work without exception, unless it begs an international body for permission to exercise its rights. No nation should bind its military's right to respond to invasion to an international body. If the Federal Republic of Catalanns is attacked, the country should be allowed to retaliate at-will!
  • Title Three, Article Twenty-Three not only prohibits the fundamental right of national conquest, but it also prohibits any territory from requesting to join your nation's union! What if there are peoples or nations that voluntarily want to join your country? Your Constitution prohibits this!
  • Title Three, Section Three, Chapter One does not explain how judges that are not part of the Constitutional Court take their post. It only says "competitive oppositions regulated by the Law". What does this mean? Does it mean the judges compete for the bench? Is that referring to an elected judiciary? None of this is outlined: is it just declared that your Parliament will decide this by statute?
  • Title Three, Section Three, Chapter Two, Article Fifty-Seven, Clause Four lacks an Oxford Comma. Is this intentional? Right now, the language reads that a majority of your Parliament AND your Ombudsman must concurrently submit a petition to the Constitutional Court. Are you sure that you want your Ombudsman to be subject to a majority of the Parliament when his mandate is clearly stated as independently the Constitution? This clause, as written, undermines your Ombudsman's independence and power in challenging unconstitutional laws.
  • Title Four, Article Sixty-One, Clause Five states that Parliament must dissolve if it passes an Amendment to your Constitution that drastically changes "the whole or good part" of the document. What does "a good part" of the document mean? Who defines this? How is this defined?


We hope for your reply to each of our points and wish your nation nothing but great success, prosperity, blessings, and happiness.

God bless you and Godspeed.
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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:42 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:

KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
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BUREAUCRAT

TO THE CATALANNITE REPUBLIC:

Be it enacted that by order of the Second Sacred Junta of TurtleShroom, the Kingdom of the United Turtles, Mushrooms, and Men of TurtleShroom does hereby extend full diplomatic recognition of the sovereign state of the Federal Republic of Catalanns.

We commend your endeavors to create a free and prosperous state, but we would like to provide the following suggestions for improvement in your founding documents.

  • 1. We strongly oppose Title Two, Article Twenty, Clause One. The Catalonian and Catalannite peoples, and their Aragonese ancestors, once had kings. It is our strongest reccomendation that your nation reestablish its constitutional monarchy as an apolitical symbol of all that makes your nation and her heritage great. Although we know not if the Federal Republic of Catalanns ever entered a Personal Union or marriage with any Spainaird-cultured nation's crown, we nonetheless hope that a member of a Catalonian, Catalannite, or Aragonese royal family exists that could be restored to his rightful throne over a free and prosperous Catalannite state.
  • 2. We strongly advise that the Federal Republic of Catalanns remove the language in Title Two, Article Six, Clause One, the language in Title Two, Article Nine, Clause Three, the language in Title Two, Article Twenty-Two, acknowledging the sovereignty of the World Assembly and its treaties as equal to your Constitution. These are subject to change, are vague, and greatly expand the size, scope, and power of the government of your nation.
  • Title Two, Article Ten, Clause Six DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS all provisions in Title Two, Article Eight. The former can be interpreted to allow unrestricted abortion on demand. The latter declares the execution or killing of any human being, innocent or guilty, outside of self-defense, as an abomination. Your Constitution's current language creates a direct contradiction. That will be a legal nightmare for your courts and create a bzizare constitutional crisis that will have to later be rectified by amendment.
  • We strongly condeemn Title Nine, Article Two. This declares the state to be supreme to the parents in caring of children and directly infringes on the right of the parent. What if a parent wishes to raise a child in the moral upbringing of an Abrahamic religion and, thusly, teaches their child that homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, or whatever else is an abomination? Can the state take the child away for their parents teaching them "bad thoughts"? What if the parent makes medical decisions that a doctor may disagree with, such as refusing blood transfusions of any blood except the child's blood itself, in accordance with their religion? Can the state take the child away for following God or their gods over the medical community? In all circumstances, absent domestic abuse, neglect, beatings, and such threats to the child, the parental supremacy and right to rear a child as they see fit should be guarenteed as absolute.
  • We are worried about Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Two. What is the "right of free and truthful information"? -and what is truth? This opens up the potential for unlimited censorship of all media, particularly alternative media, for "fake news" as defined by the state. We request from the Catalannite a clarification between the relationship between this clause and Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Four.
  • The final clause in Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Two allows for the protection of the innocence and integrity of minors by suppressing speech that endangers their minds and souls. How far does this go? Can this clause be deployed to prevent homosexual indoctrination in the classroom, the invitation of men in drag and sexual deviants to disseminate propaganda in a taxpayer funded setting, or other forcing of sexual perversion? What about depictions of sexual relationships and homosexuality on children's television?
  • We noticed that Title Two, Article Seventeen guarentees univeral suffrage for all citizens, but it does not include provisions to bar felons, the mentally insane, or other extenuating conditions from voting. It also does not define the age of voting or empower the administrative districts below the federal government to set one. Why?
  • We are intrigued and somewhat worried by the pacifist clauses in Title Two, Article Twenty-Two. It caps defense spending without an exception for the invasion if your country. Worse, it also subjects your nation's armed forces to an United Nations....... which no longer exists. The United Nations was dissolved and succeeded by the World Assembly.
  • The worst part of Title Two, Article Twenty-Two is that it does not authorize any exceptions for invasion. For example, Clause Four forbids the military to engage in any non-humanitarian work without exception, unless it begs an international body for permission to exercise its rights. No nation should bind its military's right to respond to invasion to an international body. If the Federal Republic of Catalanns is attacked, the country should be allowed to retaliate at-will!
  • Title Three, Article Twenty-Three not only prohibits the fundamental right of national conquest, but it also prohibits any territory from requesting to join your nation's union! What if there are peoples or nations that voluntarily want to join your country? Your Constitution prohibits this!
  • Title Three, Section Three, Chapter One does not explain how judges that are not part of the Constitutional Court take their post. It only says "competitive oppositions regulated by the Law". What does this mean? Does it mean the judges compete for the bench? Is that referring to an elected judiciary? None of this is outlined: is it just declared that your Parliament will decide this by statute?
  • Title Three, Section Three, Chapter Two, Article Fifty-Seven, Clause Four lacks an Oxford Comma. Is this intentional? Right now, the language reads that a majority of your Parliament AND your Ombudsman must concurrently submit a petition to the Constitutional Court. Are you sure that you want your Ombudsman to be subject to a majority of the Parliament when his mandate is clearly stated as independently the Constitution? This clause, as written, undermines your Ombudsman's independence and power in challenging unconstitutional laws.
  • Title Four, Article Sixty-One, Clause Five states that Parliament must dissolve if it passes an Amendment to your Constitution that drastically changes "the whole or good part" of the document. What does "a good part" of the document mean? Who defines this? How is this defined?


We hope for your reply to each of our points and wish your nation nothing but great success, prosperity, blessings, and happiness.

God bless you and Godspeed.
-BUREAUCRAT ON BEHALF OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AS REPRESENTED UNDER THE SECOND SACRED JUNTA OF THE KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM




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We thank you for your support and your official recognition
We have read your comment and hope you will give us time to study all the points that you mentioned .. to answer them.

Accept my greetings

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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:19 pm

The new Constitution was updated by adding clouse two of Article 2, TITLE FIRST :

2. The Federal Republic of Paisos Catalans is divided into seven States, which have autonomous governments, elected by their inhabitants every four years. They are : Republic of Catalonia , Valencia Country ,Principate of Andorra,Republic of the Balearic Islands,North Catalonia, Principality of Franja de Ponent i Principality of Alghero.


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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:55 am

71% for yes
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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:09 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:

KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
LOYALIST EXECUTIVE CABINET
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
BUREAUCRAT

TO THE CATALANNITE REPUBLIC:

Be it enacted that by order of the Second Sacred Junta of TurtleShroom, the Kingdom of the United Turtles, Mushrooms, and Men of TurtleShroom does hereby extend full diplomatic recognition of the sovereign state of the Federal Republic of Catalanns.

We commend your endeavors to create a free and prosperous state, but we would like to provide the following suggestions for improvement in your founding documents.

  • 1. We strongly oppose Title Two, Article Twenty, Clause One. The Catalonian and Catalannite peoples, and their Aragonese ancestors, once had kings. It is our strongest reccomendation that your nation reestablish its constitutional monarchy as an apolitical symbol of all that makes your nation and her heritage great. Although we know not if the Federal Republic of Catalanns ever entered a Personal Union or marriage with any Spainaird-cultured nation's crown, we nonetheless hope that a member of a Catalonian, Catalannite, or Aragonese royal family exists that could be restored to his rightful throne over a free and prosperous Catalannite state.
  • 2. We strongly advise that the Federal Republic of Catalanns remove the language in Title Two, Article Six, Clause One, the language in Title Two, Article Nine, Clause Three, the language in Title Two, Article Twenty-Two, acknowledging the sovereignty of the World Assembly and its treaties as equal to your Constitution. These are subject to change, are vague, and greatly expand the size, scope, and power of the government of your nation.
  • Title Two, Article Ten, Clause Six DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS all provisions in Title Two, Article Eight. The former can be interpreted to allow unrestricted abortion on demand. The latter declares the execution or killing of any human being, innocent or guilty, outside of self-defense, as an abomination. Your Constitution's current language creates a direct contradiction. That will be a legal nightmare for your courts and create a bzizare constitutional crisis that will have to later be rectified by amendment.
  • We strongly condeemn Title Nine, Article Two. This declares the state to be supreme to the parents in caring of children and directly infringes on the right of the parent. What if a parent wishes to raise a child in the moral upbringing of an Abrahamic religion and, thusly, teaches their child that homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, or whatever else is an abomination? Can the state take the child away for their parents teaching them "bad thoughts"? What if the parent makes medical decisions that a doctor may disagree with, such as refusing blood transfusions of any blood except the child's blood itself, in accordance with their religion? Can the state take the child away for following God or their gods over the medical community? In all circumstances, absent domestic abuse, neglect, beatings, and such threats to the child, the parental supremacy and right to rear a child as they see fit should be guarenteed as absolute.
  • We are worried about Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Two. What is the "right of free and truthful information"? -and what is truth? This opens up the potential for unlimited censorship of all media, particularly alternative media, for "fake news" as defined by the state. We request from the Catalannite a clarification between the relationship between this clause and Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Four.
  • The final clause in Title Two, Article Thirteen, Clause Two allows for the protection of the innocence and integrity of minors by suppressing speech that endangers their minds and souls. How far does this go? Can this clause be deployed to prevent homosexual indoctrination in the classroom, the invitation of men in drag and sexual deviants to disseminate propaganda in a taxpayer funded setting, or other forcing of sexual perversion? What about depictions of sexual relationships and homosexuality on children's television?
  • We noticed that Title Two, Article Seventeen guarentees univeral suffrage for all citizens, but it does not include provisions to bar felons, the mentally insane, or other extenuating conditions from voting. It also does not define the age of voting or empower the administrative districts below the federal government to set one. Why?
  • We are intrigued and somewhat worried by the pacifist clauses in Title Two, Article Twenty-Two. It caps defense spending without an exception for the invasion if your country. Worse, it also subjects your nation's armed forces to an United Nations....... which no longer exists. The United Nations was dissolved and succeeded by the World Assembly.
  • The worst part of Title Two, Article Twenty-Two is that it does not authorize any exceptions for invasion. For example, Clause Four forbids the military to engage in any non-humanitarian work without exception, unless it begs an international body for permission to exercise its rights. No nation should bind its military's right to respond to invasion to an international body. If the Federal Republic of Catalanns is attacked, the country should be allowed to retaliate at-will!
  • Title Three, Article Twenty-Three not only prohibits the fundamental right of national conquest, but it also prohibits any territory from requesting to join your nation's union! What if there are peoples or nations that voluntarily want to join your country? Your Constitution prohibits this!
  • Title Three, Section Three, Chapter One does not explain how judges that are not part of the Constitutional Court take their post. It only says "competitive oppositions regulated by the Law". What does this mean? Does it mean the judges compete for the bench? Is that referring to an elected judiciary? None of this is outlined: is it just declared that your Parliament will decide this by statute?
  • Title Three, Section Three, Chapter Two, Article Fifty-Seven, Clause Four lacks an Oxford Comma. Is this intentional? Right now, the language reads that a majority of your Parliament AND your Ombudsman must concurrently submit a petition to the Constitutional Court. Are you sure that you want your Ombudsman to be subject to a majority of the Parliament when his mandate is clearly stated as independently the Constitution? This clause, as written, undermines your Ombudsman's independence and power in challenging unconstitutional laws.
  • Title Four, Article Sixty-One, Clause Five states that Parliament must dissolve if it passes an Amendment to your Constitution that drastically changes "the whole or good part" of the document. What does "a good part" of the document mean? Who defines this? How is this defined?


We hope for your reply to each of our points and wish your nation nothing but great success, prosperity, blessings, and happiness.

God bless you and Godspeed.
-BUREAUCRAT ON BEHALF OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AS REPRESENTED UNDER THE SECOND SACRED JUNTA OF THE KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM



To: The Blood Junta of TURTLESHROOM II

We thank you, Sir, for your recommendations and your official recognition of the Federal Republic
We have decided to discuss with you some points in our Constitution in response to your letter:

1. For the second heading, article XX, item I.
The Catalan states suffered from the domination, arrogance and tyranny of the Spanish monarchy for centuries
The descendants of the kings of Catalonia and Aragonese melted into the Spanish crown. Aragon became a Spanish province and Catalonia became an autonomous region, losing its independence as a nation.
After the declaration of independence, the inhabitants decided under this provision of the Constitution to govern themselves and their land without any interference from the Spanish and without any tyranny of a particular race or descendant .

2 - As part of the global system and our region Europe, although we have not yet submitted to the World Assembly, we recognize the decisions of the Organization without the right to interfere in the internal affairs of the country.

3 - TITLE SECOND, Article 8 has been modified. thank you

4 - For Article 9 and Section II
Parents are entitled to raise their children in their preferred manner without violating the provisions of the Constitution
Article 7 No one can be discriminated against because of race, race, origin, language, beliefs, opinions or any other personal or social circumstance.
Thus, there is no problem if a parent wishes to raise a child in the moral formation of the Abrahamic religion or homosexuality. For abortion, Article 8 has been amended to conform to the law ...
As for extremist beliefs such as terrorism or raising the child for crime and breaking the law, the state can take the child away from their parents because of their eligibility for proper education.
The issue of refusing blood transfusion and circumcision remains a personal freedom for parents to have health consequences.

5 - For Article 13 , Section II
As a national duty citizens have the right to free information without any censorship as long as the content is honest and truthful.
False and fabricated news is a distortion of the right society and is punishable by law.

6 - The answer was in point 4

7 - For Article 17
  All citizens have the right to request, call and publish the call for a referendum, which will be free and universal, in accordance with the provisions of the law.
Among the provisions of the law is not to elect or apply for candidacy under 18 years of age, or mental incapacity.

8 - For Article 22
The Federal Republic is officially declaring that we are not the enemies of anyone and the brothers of all peoples, that we seek brotherhood and respect and that we are making efforts for the good of humanity and for the promotion of fundamental rights and freedoms for all the people of the world. So we do not interfere in public affairs and try to find peaceful solutions or under the mandate of the World Assembly when this is the case.
Article 22 has been modified

9 - If the Federal Republic of Catalán is attacked, it has the right to defend itself without recourse to any international body. This applies in the event of a declaration of war or an attack on another State.

10 - A strategic alliance can be formed but borders can not be changed
This is a comprehensive historical geographical boundary of the Catalan States.



The remaining three points will be answered
Thank you

The Constituent Assembly
of the Federal Republic of Paisos Catalanns.


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Postby Paisos Catalanns » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:18 pm

TITLE SECOND, Article 8 , Clause One has been modified :

1. Human life is inviolable. The death penalty is contrary to fundamental rights and can not be applied under any circumstances.Except in cases of necessary abortion and according to law.


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Postby Montagne Riche » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:37 pm

I am completely against the separation from The Crown of Spain. This is absolute treason.

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