Dallas Cop who Shot Man in His Own Apartment Fired

[San Lumen]

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas- ... otham-jean

There is currently a high profile case involving a cop in Dallas regarding shooting a man in his own apartment. Officer Amber Guyger fatally shot Botham Jean in his upstairs apartment after mistaking it for her own. Guyer claims she thought he was a burglar. After much outrage the Dallas police chief announced she had been fired. Guyer is facing a internal investigation along with a manslaughter charge.

I think the right course of action was taken here. A officer who would commit a action like this has no business being on the force and is hopefully convicted.Her story simply doesn't add up nor is their any justification for her actions. That being said she has the right to a fair trial as does anyone else.

What's your take on this case and her firing NSG?

[Luziyca]

I did not expect her to get fired at all: while she does have the right to a fair trial, the force should not just suspend them with pay. So I feel that the actions of the Dallas police department is actually a good thing.

[Western-Ukraine]

It's exactly as it should be. I put more faith in police than the common man, but she intruded in his apartment and murdered him in cold blood. Whether she thought she was in her apartment or not is meaningless.

[San Lumen]

It's exactly as it should be. I put more faith in police than the common man, but she intruded in his apartment and murdered him in cold blood. Whether she thought she was in her apartment or not is meaningless.

Agreed. It seems like a open and shut case. There is no ifs ands or buts. Even the Mayor of Dallas praised her firing.

[Western-Ukraine]

It's exactly as it should be. I put more faith in police than the common man, but she intruded in his apartment and murdered him in cold blood. Whether she thought she was in her apartment or not is meaningless.

Agreed. It seems like a open and shut case. There is no ifs ands or buts. Even the Mayor of Dallas praised her firing.

Sadly enough. I'm sure she was mistaken, but she has to face the consequences for the lack of forethought.

[Ifreann]

Whatever the outcome of the trial, someone who walks around in such a daze that they can't find their own home really ought not be in any profession where they will be routinely armed.

[San Lumen]

Agreed. It seems like a open and shut case. There is no ifs ands or buts. Even the Mayor of Dallas praised her firing.

Sadly enough. I'm sure she was mistaken, but she has to face the consequences for the lack of forethought.

I agree even if she was mistaken she must face the consequences of her actions

[Luziyca]

Whatever the outcome of the trial, someone who walks around in such a daze that they can't find their own home really ought not be in any profession where they will be routinely armed.

Agreed.

The fact that she got fired makes me somewhat hopeful that America can turn itself around: I want a day when a cop who shoots someone in cold blood getting fired does not reach the front page because it has become the obvious approach.

[Nambutu]

I've been suspicious about her story, and heard theories that she actually knew the guy and made up her story.

Apparently they found police property in his apartment.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

Makes me wonder if she'd been there before.

[San Lumen]

I've been suspicious about her story, and heard theories that she actually knew the guy and made up her story.

Apparently they found police property in his apartment.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

Makes me wonder if she'd been there before.

Thats crazy if true

[Western-Ukraine]

I've been suspicious about her story, and heard theories that she actually knew the guy and made up her story.

Apparently they found police property in his apartment.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

Makes me wonder if she'd been there before.

I certainly hope that's not the case. It's bad enough as it is.

[San Lumen]

I've been suspicious about her story, and heard theories that she actually knew the guy and made up her story.

Apparently they found police property in his apartment.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

Makes me wonder if she'd been there before.

I certainly hope that's not the case. It's bad enough as it is.

That would make a bad situation even worse.

[Nambutu]

Thats crazy if true

I certainly hope that's not the case. It's bad enough as it is.

Look, I'm not saying it is true. But cops in America have gotten away with killing black guys all the time.

So if something was going on between them, and she got angry with him and wanted him removed, I could see her cooking up this "I thought it was my apartment durr" excuse and thinking she could get away with it. The police find some weed in his apartment, assassinate his character, bam.

But I can be a cynical person.

[San Lumen]

Thats crazy if true

I certainly hope that's not the case. It's bad enough as it is.

Look, I'm not saying it is true. But cops in America have gotten away with killing black guys all the time.

So if something was going on between them, and she got angry with him and wanted him removed, I could see her cooking up this "I thought it was my apartment durr" excuse and thinking she could get away with it. The police find some weed in his apartment, assassinate his character, bam.

But I can be a cynical person.

It doenst matter if there was weed in the apartment. She was in the wrong unit. If she is not convicted our justice system is truly broken.

[Major-Tom]

Wasn't this the woman Ted Cruz has been defending recently to try to smear his opponent as anti-cop? Anyways, how the fuck do you get so faded/out of it that you forget which apartment is yours, see another man in this place, not recognize "oh shit, this isn't my apartment" and instead kill the guy?

This woman's story, I don't buy it one bit. She was either fucking out of her mind wasted, like Lahey levels of drunk, or she was acting maliciously. Either way, good first step is to take her off the force.

[Western-Ukraine]

Look, I'm not saying it is true. But cops in America have gotten away with killing black guys all the time.

So if something was going on between them, and she got angry with him and wanted him removed, I could see her cooking up this "I thought it was my apartment durr" excuse and thinking she could get away with it. The police find some weed in his apartment, assassinate his character, bam.

But I can be a cynical person.

It doenst matter if there was weed in the apartment. She was in the wrong unit. If she is not convicted our justice system is truly broken.

Home invasion or forceful entry by authorities should always have a high threshold. I'm saying this and I'm not a critic of the police or justice system. Suspected drugs in an apartment wouldn't justify a murder like that, in the hypothetical scenario.

[Des-Bal]

I've been suspicious about her story, and heard theories that she actually knew the guy and made up her story.

Apparently they found police property in his apartment.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

Makes me wonder if she'd been there before.

The police property in the apartment was the shit she was bringing home.

In any case it is ridiculous that she entered someone elses home believing it to be hers and with no suggestion of acts that could be construed as threatening shot and killed someone. Even if he was a burglar and she wasn't carrying out a home invasion this seems like a bad shooting.

[San Lumen]

I've been suspicious about her story, and heard theories that she actually knew the guy and made up her story.

Apparently they found police property in his apartment.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bothan-jean-search-warrant-marijuana_us_5b9afc61e4b046313fb95f27

Makes me wonder if she'd been there before.

The police property in the apartment was the shit she was bringing home.

In any case it is ridiculous that she entered someone elses home believing it to be hers and with no suggestion of acts that could be construed as threatening shot and killed someone. Even if he was a burglar and she wasn't carrying out a home invasion this seems like a bad shooting.

Why are you even making the suggestion Jean was a burglar? It was his apartment! You can't rob your own apartment

[Nambutu]

The police property in the apartment was the shit she was bringing home.

Do you have a newer source that states that?

[USS Monitor]

She deserved to be fired, and the charges she's facing ought to be murder.

I don't believe her story about how it happened. It's not how doors work and it doesn't square with what the neighbors said they heard.

Even if it was true, if you're out-of-it enough to break into an apartment and shoot your neighbor because you accidentally went to the wrong floor, you're too out-of-it to be a good cop.

[Des-Bal]

Look, I'm not saying it is true. But cops in America have gotten away with killing black guys all the time.

So if something was going on between them, and she got angry with him and wanted him removed, I could see her cooking up this "I thought it was my apartment durr" excuse and thinking she could get away with it. The police find some weed in his apartment, assassinate his character, bam.

But I can be a cynical person.

That's not cynicism it's foolishness. She could have just knocked on the door, said "can I look around, I smell marijuana OH NO YOU GRABBED MY GUN." Her explanation is probably true because it makes her seem like an absolute idiot whose still guilty.

[San Lumen]

Look, I'm not saying it is true. But cops in America have gotten away with killing black guys all the time.

So if something was going on between them, and she got angry with him and wanted him removed, I could see her cooking up this "I thought it was my apartment durr" excuse and thinking she could get away with it. The police find some weed in his apartment, assassinate his character, bam.

But I can be a cynical person.

That's not cynicism it's foolishness. She could have just knocked on the door, said "can I look around, I smell marijuana OH NO YOU GRABBED MY GUN." Her explanation is probably true because it makes her seem like an absolute idiot whose still guilty.

Guyer does not come of as someone who should be on the police force anywhere.

[Dahon]

Good. Let the rotten apples rot as far away from the ripe ones as possible.

[Sovaal]

She deserved to be fired, and the charges she's facing ought to be murder.

I don't believe her story about how it happened. It's not how doors work and it doesn't square with what the neighbors said they heard.

Even if it was true, if you're out-of-it enough to break into an apartment and shoot your neighbor because you accidentally went to the wrong floor, you're too out-of-it to be a good cop.

^

[Des-Bal]

Why are you even making the suggestion Jean was a burglar? It was his apartment! You can't rob your own apartment

She thought it was her apartment and that he was a burglar. My point was that even if she was right the shooting was still bad.

Do you have a newer source that states that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/us/b ... uyger.html

...she had with her a police vest, duty bag and lunchbox

She was coming home, still in uniform carrying her shit when she shot him.