Vigilante Justice

[Western-Ukraine]

Most of us are likely living in democratic countries with functioning law enforcement and judicial systems. However, gang violence is an increasing issue with varying causes. Sometimes police either lacks the resources or interest in countering this, especially in troubled neighbourhoods or areas. We also have more and more "citizen detectives" and other hobbyists pursuing secret paedophiles and other individuals the authorities might not be aware of. Is vigilante justice ever acceptable? And to what degree? For example, we have seen organized groups of citizens searching and apprehending suspects or criminals among asylum seekers in Europe.

Personally I support vigilante justice when it is complementary to official law enforcement and not excessive. Assault and homicide aren't fine unless necessitated by the situation.

[Ifreann]

Arrest Batman.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Meanwhile in the Philippines

[Alvecia]

No. Law enforcement should be carried out by the proper authorities. Vigilantism would cause far more problems than it solves.

[Firaxin]

I don't know, I'd say I'm mostly against it. Most of the laws are there for a reason and aren't just there to limit people.

[Saiwania]

It can perhaps be justified in some circumstances and at other times, not. Like many things in life, it is unclear. The danger is in confusing revenge with justice. On the other hand, I'm impressed by a few vigilante militias in Mexico having broken the back of some cartel leaders or drug kingpins. It was done, after their law enforcement was driven out or rendered incapable.

[The Huskar Social Union]

No. Law enforcement should be carried out by the proper authorities. Vigilantism would cause far more problems than it solves.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It can perhaps be justified in some circumstances and at other times, not. Like many things in life, it is unclear. The danger is in confusing revenge with justice. On the other hand, I'm impressed by a few vigilante militias in Mexico having broken the back of some cartel leaders or drug kingpins. It was done, after their law enforcement was driven out or rendered incapable.

Sadly some of those vigilantes went to the dark side
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-warlord-of-the-viagras-mexicos-hardest-cartel-yet

[Ifreann]

It can perhaps be justified in some circumstances and at other times, not. Like many things in life, it is unclear. The danger is in confusing revenge with justice. On the other hand, I'm impressed by a few vigilante militias in Mexico having broken the back of some cartel leaders or drug kingpins. It was done, after their law enforcement was driven out or rendered incapable.

Sadly some of those vigilantes went to the dark side
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-warlord-of-the-viagras-mexicos-hardest-cartel-yet

"hardest-cartel-yet"
"the-viagras"

LEWD ALERT

[Luziyca]

I don't know: on one hand, they tend to be cruel and may go after the wrong people, not to mention that we got law enforcement. On the other hand, it feels great to the gut.

[Western-Ukraine]

It can perhaps be justified in some circumstances and at other times, not. Like many things in life, it is unclear. The danger is in confusing revenge with justice. On the other hand, I'm impressed by a few vigilante militias in Mexico having broken the back of some cartel leaders or drug kingpins. It was done, after their law enforcement was driven out or rendered incapable.

Sadly some of those vigilantes went to the dark side
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-warlord-of-the-viagras-mexicos-hardest-cartel-yet

The puns aside, is that really relevant? Whether vigilantes erase a cartel or erase a cartel and replace it, we won't lose anything in the process. It's better to have that second chance, if anything.

[Hammer Britannia]

Vigilante Justice is just another word for mob rule

If the mob declares that jaywalking is punishable by death, the jaywalkers are gonna get Vigilante'd the living hell out of.

So, sorry Batman, but leave it to the force please.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

No, it is just another protection racket in the making.

[Sovaal]

I wouldn't call 'vigilantism" justice, more oft then not it's a crowd out for blood, regardless of their sacrifices' innocence or guilt.

[Valentine Z]

During your vigilante career, you will either die a hero, or see yourself become a villain.

So... nah, I'm good.

[Hammer Britannia]

During your vigilante career, you will either die a hero, or see yourself become a villain.

So... nah, I'm good.

Just be a hero in your own ways.

Don't fight for the law, fight for humanity

[Internationalist Bastard]

Sadly some of those vigilantes went to the dark side
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-warlord-of-the-viagras-mexicos-hardest-cartel-yet

The puns aside, is that really relevant? Whether vigilantes erase a cartel or erase a cartel and replace it, we won't lose anything in the process. It's better to have that second chance, if anything.

I'd say becoming a cartel to fight cartels is pretty relevant

[Valentine Z]

During your vigilante career, you will either die a hero, or see yourself become a villain.

So... nah, I'm good.

Just be a hero in your own ways.

Don't fight for the law, fight for humanity

I'm afraid that the power might corrupt me. Everyone's gonna snap at one point sooner or later.

Except Batman, because his crime-fighting methods were already... over-the-top.

[Hammer Britannia]

Just be a hero in your own ways.

Don't fight for the law, fight for humanity

I'm afraid that the power might corrupt me. Everyone's gonna snap at one point sooner or later.

Except Batman, because his crime-fighting methods were already... over-the-top.

I meant it figuratively

[Isilanka]

No, no and no.
Law enforcement amounts to much more than just pointing a gun in the general direction of a suspicious individual and tell them to stop. There's a reason why cops aren't just random dudettes and dudes with a pistol and no training whatsoever. Untrained individuals doing police work can only lead to increased chaos and confusion - especially when the motives behind it are ideological.

This is weird. The idea of a random guy suddenly acting as a fireman without any kind of training wouldn't cross anyone's mind, right ? Why ain't it the same for law enforcement personel ?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Just be a hero in your own ways.

Don't fight for the law, fight for humanity

I'm afraid that the power might corrupt me. Everyone's gonna snap at one point sooner or later.

Except Batman, because his crime-fighting methods were already... over-the-top.

I won't kill, but I will ram them with my car that shoots non lethal bullets

[Ostroeuropa]

Vigilantism is the sign of a decaying society. Whether it is justified or not is dependent on the availability of justice and protection in the area. It is never desirable as a state of affairs, only at most, acceptable as an intermediary stage, and vigilantes sincere in their pursuit should organize collectively and subject themselves to oversight and public control and scrutiny at the first available opportunity.

In the case of established powers not existing or not enforcing justice either through lack of resources or ideological dysfunction, vigilantism is acceptable ethically.

[Aclion]

Yes. But as an effective police and court system is much better at dispensing justice then a vigilante, vigilante justice is only acceptable in very severe circumstances where law and order has broken down and is unlikely to be restored in the foreseeable future, or where law enforcement is complacent in human rights violations and vigilante justice is necessary to curtail them.

[Khataiy]

I think it's good for the people take self-initiative and self-defense

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes. But only in very severe circumstances where law and order has broken down and is unlikely to be restored in the foreseeable future, or where law enforcement is complacent in human rights violations and vigilante justice is necessary to curtail them.

Exactly this.