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Anger mounts in Zambia over Chinese presence

Postby A u d i » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:26 am

Apparently, the Zambians suddenly despise the Chinese over "corruption and opposition", according to the Economic Times. Zambian public debt is supposedly around $10.6 billion. The Zambian Prime Minister, Edgar Lungu, has hit right back out at critics over this.

"I implore you to ignore the misleading headlines that seek to malign our relationship with China by mischaracterising our economic cooperation to mean colonialism." Lungu recently told the world. The leader of this, James Lukaku, says this: "I want to bring the attention of the international community the Chinese influence and corruption in Zambia.

I'm curious to know, NS, what is your opinion on the situation?
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I think this belongs in General. II is for RP.
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Ah, okay. This is my first day on NS, and I honestly just judged it by the title.

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A u d i wrote:Ah, okay. This is my first day on NS, and I honestly just judged it by the title.



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Postby A u d i » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:25 am

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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:29 am

A u d i wrote:Apparently, the Zambians suddenly despise the Chinese over "corruption and opposition", according to the Economic Times. Zambian public debt is supposedly around $10.6 billion. The Zambian Prime Minister, Edgar Lungu, has hit right back out at critics over this.

"I implore you to ignore the misleading headlines that seek to malign our relationship with China by mischaracterising our economic cooperation to mean colonialism." Lungu recently told the world. The leader of this, James Lukaku, says this: "I want to bring the attention of the international community the Chinese influence and corruption in Zambia.

I'm curious to know, NS, what is your opinion on the situation?

To add, for a NS General topic, you should add your own opinion too. And link to the source you cite, like news
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:47 am

this is what you get for accepting chinese pesos.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:33 am

Rip neo Chinese imperialism
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:39 am

Sorry China, it isn't just Western imperialism that Africa hates...
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:54 am

Sources please.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:07 am

A u d i wrote:...what is your opinion on the situation?


Generally it is good form to quote a source.


Anyway, hey, many African countries decided that Chinese imperialism was a-ok because China=/=Europe, now that they have to pay their debts suddenly they don't like the Chinese anymore. Average human behaviour I guess.
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Postby Tokora » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:00 am

The worst part is that nothing will probably be able to end it due to China's combined military and economic strength and the elites in all countries obsession with joining China's economy and are perfectly willing to screw over their own people to do so.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:12 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Rip neo Chinese imperialism

It's going to take a bit more than some disgruntled citizens to keep China from expanding its sphere of influence.


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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:16 am

If they want to reject Chinese investment as "colonialism" then let them stay poor. I'm sure they'll feel much better when they're starving and poor. "Our kids aren't educated and they tend to die young but hey, at least there's no colonialism!"
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:36 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Rip neo Chinese imperialism

It's going to take a bit more than some disgruntled citizens to keep China from expanding its sphere of influence.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:37 am

Scomagia wrote:If they want to reject Chinese investment as "colonialism" then let them stay poor. I'm sure they'll feel much better when they're starving and poor. "Our kids aren't educated and they tend to die young but hey, at least there's no colonialism!"

You laugh but this is a powerful mindset in Africa
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nobody likes Neo-Colonialism i tell ya.
btw source OP?
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:40 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Scomagia wrote:If they want to reject Chinese investment as "colonialism" then let them stay poor. I'm sure they'll feel much better when they're starving and poor. "Our kids aren't educated and they tend to die young but hey, at least there's no colonialism!"

You laugh but this is a powerful mindset in Africa

I'm not laughing. This doesn't amuse me in the slightest. It is short sighted and illogical and many children will suffer for this idiocy.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:44 am

Scomagia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:You laugh but this is a powerful mindset in Africa

I'm not laughing. This doesn't amuse me in the slightest. It is short sighted and illogical and many children will suffer for this idiocy.

I remember Malians calling me a colonizer while I built a dig a well. It’s far better in the eyes of many Africans to suffer under rule of their own people than to prosper under the rule of another. And they are very wary of how quickly that rule can come
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I'm not laughing. This doesn't amuse me in the slightest. It is short sighted and illogical and many children will suffer for this idiocy.

I remember Malians calling me a colonizer while I built a dig a well. It’s far better in the eyes of many Africans to suffer under rule of their own people than to prosper under the rule of another. And they are very wary of how quickly that rule can come

Obviously they're looking at things wrong. Investment is not "falling under the rule of others", it is literally their only way to not be impoverished and starving.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:51 am

Scomagia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I remember Malians calling me a colonizer while I built a dig a well. It’s far better in the eyes of many Africans to suffer under rule of their own people than to prosper under the rule of another. And they are very wary of how quickly that rule can come

Obviously they're looking at things wrong. Investment is not "falling under the rule of others", it is literally their only way to not be impoverished and starving.

In case you haven't noticed, looking at things wrong is rather popular these days.


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Scomagia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I remember Malians calling me a colonizer while I built a dig a well. It’s far better in the eyes of many Africans to suffer under rule of their own people than to prosper under the rule of another. And they are very wary of how quickly that rule can come

Obviously they're looking at things wrong. Investment is not "falling under the rule of others", it is literally their only way to not be impoverished and starving.

Well remember that the colonization started cuz merchants wanted to trade
Made them wary
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Postby -United Republic of Freedonia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:03 am

OP i'll say it again. You need to put a source about this and also you need to put your opinion about this, unless the thread gets locked.
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Obviously they're looking at things wrong. Investment is not "falling under the rule of others", it is literally their only way to not be impoverished and starving.

Well remember that the colonization started cuz merchants wanted to trade
Made them wary

Well, we can't really blame them for the paranoia, can we?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:17 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well remember that the colonization started cuz merchants wanted to trade
Made them wary

Well, we can't really blame them for the paranoia, can we?

Yeah
I agree it doesn’t help them but I can see where it’s from
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