by West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:07 pm
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:14 pm
Albrenia wrote:Sadly, it doesn't mean much anymore. Way too overused.
Trump isn't a Fascist, he's just an asshole.
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by Cosmopolitan borovan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:14 pm
Albrenia wrote:Sadly, it doesn't mean much anymore. Way too overused.
Trump isn't a Fascist, he's just an asshole.
by Dogmeat » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:14 pm
Albrenia wrote:Sadly, it doesn't mean much anymore. Way too overused.
Trump isn't a Fascist, he's just an asshole.
by Cedoria » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:15 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:It’s probably a terrible idea to bring up, but I think it’s an important societal question that should be discussed civilly, given its relevance in both the past and the present.
We all know it. We’ve seen pictures of people with Hitler mustaches slapped on them, we all know Godwin’s law. We’ve used and abused such terms. Actual fascists, militant antifascists, and everyone in between has been affected by these words before. But in today’s age, fascist has arguably turned into a political epithet, used to describe everyone from Donald Trump to Barack Obama to Joseph Stalin. It’s been debated before, but does using fascist as an insult take away from the villainous acts committed by fascist regimes? Does it further polarize and divide us in a time already considered divisive? I say that it does. Fascism is not to be taken lightly, and to many it’s merely a word to describe your opponent, or an “edgy joke that you normies wouldn’t understand”. This casual use of the word makes fascism seem like a walk in the park, a simple way to make your opponent evil, or a “joke for shock value”. Similar concepts apply to red-baiting. Americans have often heard that “Democrats are communists, Republicans are Nazis”. Economic reforms are considered the first step towards a dictatorial communist regime where the party cannot be questioned and everyone is dying in a gulag. Using tyrannical ideologies as political epithets makes the true evil of those ideologies trivialized. By misusing these terms, we are normalizing the ideals these people supported.
But that’s just my opinion. I’m trying hard to be civil, and I hope everyone else does too.
by Vadterland » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:15 pm
by Right wing humour squad » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:15 pm
by Cedoria » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:16 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Albrenia wrote:Sadly, it doesn't mean much anymore. Way too overused.
Trump isn't a Fascist, he's just an asshole.
True. But this issue long predates trumps presidency or his campaign. Reductio ad Hitlerum as a term, predates both Trump and Godwin’s law, being coined in the 1950s
by West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:16 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Actual fascism (as in the original Italian definition of it) is virtually extinct, and nowadays it is used as nothing more than a buzzword to smear one's political opponents.
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:18 pm
Cedoria wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:It’s probably a terrible idea to bring up, but I think it’s an important societal question that should be discussed civilly, given its relevance in both the past and the present.
We all know it. We’ve seen pictures of people with Hitler mustaches slapped on them, we all know Godwin’s law. We’ve used and abused such terms. Actual fascists, militant antifascists, and everyone in between has been affected by these words before. But in today’s age, fascist has arguably turned into a political epithet, used to describe everyone from Donald Trump to Barack Obama to Joseph Stalin. It’s been debated before, but does using fascist as an insult take away from the villainous acts committed by fascist regimes? Does it further polarize and divide us in a time already considered divisive? I say that it does. Fascism is not to be taken lightly, and to many it’s merely a word to describe your opponent, or an “edgy joke that you normies wouldn’t understand”. This casual use of the word makes fascism seem like a walk in the park, a simple way to make your opponent evil, or a “joke for shock value”. Similar concepts apply to red-baiting. Americans have often heard that “Democrats are communists, Republicans are Nazis”. Economic reforms are considered the first step towards a dictatorial communist regime where the party cannot be questioned and everyone is dying in a gulag. Using tyrannical ideologies as political epithets makes the true evil of those ideologies trivialized. By misusing these terms, we are normalizing the ideals these people supported.
But that’s just my opinion. I’m trying hard to be civil, and I hope everyone else does too.
Considering you were complaining about my use of the word Fascist to describe a group that self-identifies as Fascist in the other thread, I would argue you are a prime example of misuse of the word, namely by criticising others who apply it appropriately.
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by Bholvakia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:18 pm
by Mardla » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:19 pm
by Cedoria » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:20 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Cedoria wrote:
Considering you were complaining about my use of the word Fascist to describe a group that self-identifies as Fascist in the other thread, I would argue you are a prime example of misuse of the word, namely by criticising others who apply it appropriately.
I never said I haven’t misused it. But that discussion did make me wonder what fascism truly means today.
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:20 pm
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by Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:20 pm
by Cedoria » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:21 pm
Mardla wrote:It's an old issue. OLD. Adorno was doing this stupid shit in The Authortarian Personality, funding by the American Jewish Committee. Any interested in all that should read After Liberalism, by Paul Gottfried
by Taboooo » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:21 pm
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