[SUBMT] Repeal "Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"

[Kaboomlandia]

Arising from the grave because the target resolution is utter tripe and shouldn't be around. Hopefully it doesn't pass and I won't need this.

Repeal "Liberate Confederation of Corrupt Dictators"
Category: Repeal | Target: SC #263 | Proposed By: Kaboomlandia

The Security Council,

Appreciating the general sentiment by the World Assembly Security Council to oppose fascism in its many forms,

Noting that the region of Confederation of Corrupt Dictators was recently liberated with the intent of setting it up to be raided by anti-fascist forces should the founder ever cease to exist,

Pointing out that this is a completely pointless resolution for the following reasons:

• The regional founder is active, and is the World Assembly Delegate for the region.
• The founder can lock down the region any time they like, and this password is completely unaffected by a Liberation proposal.
• Even if the founder should ever cease to exist, the CCD has a backup Delegate waiting in the wings with the potential to earn up to 120 endorsements - the amount on the current Delegate - making an attempted raid a pointless exercise, since the largest single jump ever was 84 raiders by a full-strength CAIN against the NSIA in October 2016.
• All a liberation resolution would accomplish is causing the CCD to tighten up their security standards and diligence, ironically making a raid even less likely to ever occur.

Realizing that this resolution is simply giving free publicity to the CCD, which is not desirable,

Disgusted that this practice of authoring useless liberations against regions with founders has become common,

Wishing to devote no more spilled ink to this region than is necessary,

Hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #263.

TL;DR: this resolution is dumb, the concept behind these liberation attempts is laughable, and this liberation shouldn't stand and will have the opposite effect as intended.

SUBMITTED!

[Lord Dominator]

Opposed, rather obviously

[Aclion]

I'd mention the fact that the resolution give attention to, and therefore acts as a recruitment tool for the region.

[Lord Dominator]

I'd mention the fact that the resolution give attention to, and therefore acts as a recruitment tool for the region.

Which we'll solve by giving even more attention!
Though yes, that would be a good argument to make

[Kaboomlandia]

I'd mention the fact that the resolution give attention to, and therefore acts as a recruitment tool for the region.

Added that. Somehow I thought I already had put that in, but I'm half-asleep at the moment.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

[*]Even if the founder should ever cease to exist, the CCD has a backup Delegate waiting in the wings with the potential to earn up to 120 endorsements - the amount on the current Delegate - making an attempted raid a pointless exercise, since the largest single jump ever was 84 raiders by a full-strength CAIN against the NSIA in October 2016.

You can strengthen this point by stating that the "backup Delegate" (oh, hello there...) already has over 70 endorsements plus a large chunk of influence and border control permissions.

If the terrible proposal currently at vote somehow passes, this repeal proposal has my full support.

[Kuriko]

Ill just point out that your claim of the liberation not affecting a founder placed password might not be true, as I've been told repeatedly that it does. I'm not sure of that validity though, so you need to ask someone more knowledgeable than I. From what I hear a liberation removes a founder placed password if the founder CTEs.

[United Massachusetts]

Rule 4 violation. Also, opposed.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

I think world assembly security council should be replaced with resolution in question because it sounds like the security council is referring to itself for appreciation

[Kaboomlandia]

Ill just point out that your claim of the liberation not affecting a founder placed password might not be true, as I've been told repeatedly that it does. I'm not sure of that validity though, so you need to ask someone more knowledgeable than I. From what I hear a liberation removes a founder placed password if the founder CTEs.

Unless the guide pinned in this forum is wrong, founder-imposed passwords can not be removed by the SC.

[*]Even if the founder should ever cease to exist, the CCD has a backup Delegate waiting in the wings with the potential to earn up to 120 endorsements - the amount on the current Delegate - making an attempted raid a pointless exercise, since the largest single jump ever was 84 raiders by a full-strength CAIN against the NSIA in October 2016.

You can strengthen this point by stating that the "backup Delegate" (oh, hello there...) already has over 70 endorsements plus a large chunk of influence and border control permissions.

If the terrible proposal currently at vote somehow passes, this repeal proposal has my full support.

Good call, thanks. I’ll add that in the morning.

Rule 4 violation. Also, opposed.

“Password” has been considered to be legal in the past and still is today unless the rule has changed while I’ve been gone.

I think world assembly security council should be replaced with resolution in question because it sounds like the security council is referring to itself for appreciation

This tactic of trying to use a liberation on a foundered region gets zero respect or appreciation from me.

[Sefy the Great]

*laughter*
no. might want to add [INSTANT REPEAL] in that title though.

[Armaros]

Right. So, you don't think this region should be opened up to raids because it might not be able to do what it's supposed to do? You're literally saying "the liberation shouldn't pass because it won't do anything". That's ridiculous. Even if the backup del manages to get many endos, the liberation can keep the option open.

[Tupelope]

Ill just point out that your claim of the liberation not affecting a founder placed password might not be true, as I've been told repeatedly that it does. I'm not sure of that validity though, so you need to ask someone more knowledgeable than I. From what I hear a liberation removes a founder placed password if the founder CTEs.

Unless the guide pinned in this forum is wrong, founder-imposed passwords can not be removed by the SC.

for reference: viewtopic.php?p=4088685#p4088685

They can not be used to remove founder-imposed passwords, or the founder's ability to password a region in the future. However, Liberation resolutions can still be proposed for regions that do have founders.

i fully support this solely based on the fact that liberations have become commendations now and thats just fucking imbecilic

[Kaboomlandia]

Right. So, you don't think this region should be opened up to raids because it might not be able to do what it's supposed to do? You're literally saying "the liberation shouldn't pass because it won't do anything". That's ridiculous. Even if the backup del manages to get many endos, the liberation can keep the option open.

As soon as this resolution passes, the CCD will likely triple their diligence including possibilities like making sure their founder doesn’t get mod-deleted by not risking it, having an auto-login script to prevent accidental CTEs, and contingency plans on top of contingency plans. This resolution simply gives the region free publicity while people wait for a day that won’t ever come.

Not to mention the founder can still password the region whenever they like, liberation or no liberation.

[Sefy the Great]

Right. So, you don't think this region should be opened up to raids because it might not be able to do what it's supposed to do? You're literally saying "the liberation shouldn't pass because it won't do anything". That's ridiculous. Even if the backup del manages to get many endos, the liberation can keep the option open.

As soon as this resolution passes, the CCD will likely triple their diligence including possibilities like making sure their founder doesn’t get mod-deleted by not risking it, having an auto-login script to prevent accidental CTEs, and contingency plans on top of contingency plans. This resolution simply gives the region free publicity while people wait for a day that won’t ever come.

Not to mention the founder can still password the region whenever they like, liberation or no liberation.

by that logic this repeal will also do nothing.

[Imperium Byzantinorum]

by that logic this repeal will also do nothing.

Except to eliminate the publicity that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators doesn't deserve in the first place.
(E: typo)

[RiderSyl]

by that logic this repeal will also do nothing.

Except to eliminate the publicity that Confederation of Corrupt Dictators doesn't deserve in the first place.
(E: typo)

1. This repeal has their name in it too.
2. For someone supposedly concerned about the region getting publicity, you certainly made sure to link it in your post!

[RiderSyl]

i fully support this solely based on the fact that liberations have become commendations now and thats just fucking imbecilic

Comparing liberations like these to commendations is what's imbecilic. Unlike commendations, it's not a badge. It's a giant target placed on them.
Neoliberations even became a thing in the first place because they aren't just shiny badges.

Hearing people say now that neoliberations are "just a badge" convinces me that no matter what the Security Council does to try to punish a region, if it comes with an icon, then people will find a way to bitch about it being "just a badge".

[Sefy the Great]

i fully support this solely based on the fact that liberations have become commendations now and thats just fucking imbecilic

Comparing liberations like these to commendations is what's imbecilic. Unlike commendations, it's not a badge. It's a giant target placed on them.
Neoliberations even became a thing in the first place because they aren't just shiny badges.

Hearing people say now that neoliberations are "just a badge" convinces me that no matter what the Security Council does to try to punish a region, if it comes with an icon, then people will find a way to bitch about it being "just a badge".

they need a "shadow liberation" or "shadow condemnation" which doesn't have an icon, so it can't be used as a badge.

[RiderSyl]

Comparing liberations like these to commendations is what's imbecilic. Unlike commendations, it's not a badge. It's a giant target placed on them.
Neoliberations even became a thing in the first place because they aren't just shiny badges.

Hearing people say now that neoliberations are "just a badge" convinces me that no matter what the Security Council does to try to punish a region, if it comes with an icon, then people will find a way to bitch about it being "just a badge".

they need a "shadow liberation" or "shadow condemnation" which doesn't have an icon, so it can't be used as a badge.

If only admin would make a change such as that, so that condemnations were viable as an option again.

[Wrapper]

Unless the guide pinned in this forum is wrong, founder-imposed passwords can not be removed by the SC.

This is correct.

Rule 4 violation.

Where?

[Uan aa Boa]

As soon as this resolution passes, the CCD will likely triple their diligence including possibilities like making sure their founder doesn’t get mod-deleted by not risking it, having an auto-login script to prevent accidental CTEs, and contingency plans on top of contingency plan.

The bolded part sounds like a plus to me.

[Sefy the Great]

As soon as this resolution passes, the CCD will likely triple their diligence including possibilities like making sure their founder doesn’t get mod-deleted by not risking it, having an auto-login script to prevent accidental CTEs, and contingency plans on top of contingency plan.

The bolded part sounds like a plus to me.

seconded. i forsee nothing bad from that.

[Kuriko]

I mean, Union of Confederate Regions had all of those plans in place and look at them now. Founder deleted for off-site OOC horrible things, community (which also did and allowed horrible things, not just the founder) dispersed and gone, and Conventism pretty much banned from NS. Even the best laid plans sometimes don't work. I'm just pointing it out, not choosing a side anymore.

[Rakivland]

Can I ask why are there attempts to repeal already? The "Liberate the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators" hasn't even officially passed yet?