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[INSTA-REPEAL] Repeal Preventing the Execution of Innocents

Postby Hobbesistan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:45 am

Repeal: "Preventing The Execution of Innocents"
Category: Repeal | Target: GAR#XXX | Proposed by: hobbesistan



Noting the honorable intent of the resolution to prevent the execution of innocent peoples;

However deploring the resolution vastly overstretches this mandate to push a political agenda;

Noting that the resolution establishes draconian regulations, which, among other things, prohibit nations under one million people from using capital punishment at all;

Shocked that the resolution outright prohibits capital punishment in cases of any nonviolent crimes, including treason and espionage against the state;

Horrified that the resolution prohibits the use of capital punishment in cases that only "directly affect one person", allowing people who torture, murder, rape and commit other unthinkable acts against only one individual to escape capital punishment;

Further noting that under the language of this resolution deliberate, coordinated political assassinations of heads of states and foreign envoys can no longer be sentenced to capital punishment;

Uneasy about the resolutions proposed extreme controls of a Division on Capital Cases within the Judicial Committee of the Compliance Commission, which the resolution gives unethical power to overturn the decisions of sovereign national courts;

Hereby Repeals GAR#XXX, Preventing the Execution of Innocents.
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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:00 am

Further noting that under the language of this resolution deliberate, coordinated political assassinations of heads of states and foreign envoys can no longer be sentenced to capital punishment;


"I believe this point was addressed."

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Postby Hobbesistan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:04 am

Arasi Luvasa wrote:
Further noting that under the language of this resolution deliberate, coordinated political assassinations of heads of states and foreign envoys can no longer be sentenced to capital punishment;


"I believe this point was addressed."

OOC: see the first two pages of the thread.

edit: Found it.

IC: The author is hinging this huge fallacy in his resolution on that most assassinations happen to kill more than one person? Seriously, sir/madam, you consider that addressed? The fact remains that if this resolution passes, any head of state can be assassinated and so long as no one else is killed in the attempt the perpetrators are immune from capital punishment under this resolution.
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Postby Sciongrad » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:45 am

Vehemently opposed and will do what I can to ensure this repeal's failure.
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Postby Auralia » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:23 am

Sciongrad wrote:Vehemently opposed and will do what I can to ensure this repeal's failure.

I do not think the target resolution is the right hill to die on, even if you support strict limitations on the use of capital punishment.

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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:37 am

“It’s a good proposal - Preventing the Execution of Innocents, and I like it as a good compromise on the controversial issue of capital punishment. If it were repealed, it would open up this current can of worms all over again, and I definitely do not want that to happen to myself or any of the ambassadors here.”
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:42 am

Assuming it passes, we support the repeal of the target resolution. The proper compromise is the restoration of national sovereignty on this issue. The supposed compromise of the current resolution is no compromise, but a thinly veiled at best attempt to make the administration of capital punishment so onerous as to render it practically useless.

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Postby Nunavutialand » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:44 am

Nunavutialand supports this repeal and will do everything in its power to ensure that it passes.
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Postby New Jibby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:47 am

New jibby most deffinatlly] supports this, but sadly it may be considered illegal.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:49 am

New Jibby wrote:New jibby most deffinatlly] supports this, but sadly it may be considered illegal.

Why? I’m not a member of Gensec but this seems perfectly fine on all the repeal rules.
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Postby Jebslund » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:00 am

Kenmoria wrote:
New Jibby wrote:New jibby most deffinatlly] supports this, but sadly it may be considered illegal.

Why? I’m not a member of Gensec but this seems perfectly fine on all the repeal rules.

OOC: Same. I'm not seeing anything overtly rulebreaking, and the one potential HM violation isn't due to there being a colorable argument in favor of the target saying what it's asserted to be saying if I'm recalling GENSEC precedent correctly.
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Postby Sacara » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:01 am

Completely support this. We will continue to campaign against the proposal at vote, and hopefully it won't come to this. If it must, you have our full support.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:19 am

"You have my full support for this instant repeal," Aziza Hakimi announced, "The target resolution is a dishonest and thinly veiled attempt at imposing a ban on capital punishment even after the last attempt failed."
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:30 pm

New Jibby wrote:New jibby most deffinatlly] supports this, but sadly it may be considered illegal.

I agree with the several other players here that there are no legality concerns here.

I'd be a lot less trusting of IA's intentions, but your forgiving language is a fair compromise for removing this resolution, should it pass.
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Postby South Acren » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:39 pm

I will do as much as I can, legally, to get this passed. They have no right to tell ME what I can't do to MY citizens. If the current preposition get passed, I will leave this accursed, corrupted government. The WA is one of the most corrupted governments I've ever seen. I am only in it to get regional benefits.
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Postby Estigolsela » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:22 pm

This repeal is one of two: attempt to outlaw capital punishment later, which is obviously a bad course of action, or clear attack on democracy, aiming to allow dictators and warlords to execute people at their whim. Listen, unles WA can get clear resolution on this, the argument will be going on endless. One party will always try to outlaw it, others will try to keep it in place. We ourselves are using capital punishment in our judiciary system, and its working very well. Our own laws were in accordance to WA resolution from the beginning, but some others were not. Before, capital punishment was used by all manners of dictators, warlords and anarchists to keep opposition silent. Or dead, for that matter, With recent World Assembly resolution, capital punishment is now only used to kill people who are dangerous to all citizens of our nations. Repealing this resolution will only cause further arguments, and new resolutions, either outlawing capital punishment, or limiting it like this one. I don't see how repealing this resolution would help in anything. As long as we have any power, Estigolselans will not allow this repeal to pass.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:28 pm

Estigolsela wrote:This repeal is one of two: attempt to outlaw capital punishment later, which is obviously a bad course of action, or clear attack on democracy, aiming to allow dictators and warlords to execute people at their whim. Listen, unles WA can get clear resolution on this, the argument will be going on endless. One party will always try to outlaw it, others will try to keep it in place. We ourselves are using capital punishment in our judiciary system, and its working very well. Our own laws were in accordance to WA resolution from the beginning, but some others were not. Before, capital punishment was used by all manners of dictators, warlords and anarchists to keep opposition silent. Or dead, for that matter, With recent World Assembly resolution, capital punishment is now only used to kill people who are dangerous to all citizens of our nations. Repealing this resolution will only cause further arguments, and new resolutions, either outlawing capital punishment, or limiting it like this one. I don't see how repealing this resolution would help in anything. As long as we have any power, Estigolselans will not allow this repeal to pass.

Aziza Hakimi greeted the latest speaker with a scowl. "We already have multiple resolutions ensuring that individuals do not face prosecution for arbitrary actions," she stated sharply, "The target resolution is a transparent attempt to abolish capital punishment by throwing up so much red-tap as to make it costly, unfeasible, or effectively illegal under international law. This hallowed body already held a vote on the matter and the democratic consensus was that we should not abolish capital punishment. The dishonest tactics employed by the abolitionists in this instance are more than enough to earn my stiff opposition. Let's abandon any pretense that this is a compromise now. You're insulting the intelligence of me and our colleagues, ambassador."
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Postby South Acren » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:45 pm

Estigolsela wrote:This repeal is one of two: attempt to outlaw capital punishment later, which is obviously a bad course of action, or clear attack on democracy, aiming to allow dictators and warlords to execute people at their whim. Listen, unles WA can get clear resolution on this, the argument will be going on endless. One party will always try to outlaw it, others will try to keep it in place. We ourselves are using capital punishment in our judiciary system, and its working very well. Our own laws were in accordance to WA resolution from the beginning, but some others were not. Before, capital punishment was used by all manners of dictators, warlords and anarchists to keep opposition silent. Or dead, for that matter, With recent World Assembly resolution, capital punishment is now only used to kill people who are dangerous to all citizens of our nations. Repealing this resolution will only cause further arguments, and new resolutions, either outlawing capital punishment, or limiting it like this one. I don't see how repealing this resolution would help in anything. As long as we have any power, Estigolselans will not allow this repeal to pass.

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South Acren wrote:
Estigolsela wrote:This repeal is one of two: attempt to outlaw capital punishment later, which is obviously a bad course of action, or clear attack on democracy, aiming to allow dictators and warlords to execute people at their whim. Listen, unles WA can get clear resolution on this, the argument will be going on endless. One party will always try to outlaw it, others will try to keep it in place. We ourselves are using capital punishment in our judiciary system, and its working very well. Our own laws were in accordance to WA resolution from the beginning, but some others were not. Before, capital punishment was used by all manners of dictators, warlords and anarchists to keep opposition silent. Or dead, for that matter, With recent World Assembly resolution, capital punishment is now only used to kill people who are dangerous to all citizens of our nations. Repealing this resolution will only cause further arguments, and new resolutions, either outlawing capital punishment, or limiting it like this one. I don't see how repealing this resolution would help in anything. As long as we have any power, Estigolselans will not allow this repeal to pass.

"You know what? Screw what the the WA says. They do not run South Acren and have no place telling us who we can and can't kill. Even if the resolution at hand is passed we will still continue to execute people we deam "Unfit to live" if the WA complain or, lord forbid, DO something, they can screw off. They claim to want to preserve democracy, well is law is worse then a dictatorship."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:50 pm

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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:51 pm

South Acren wrote:
Estigolsela wrote:This repeal is one of two: attempt to outlaw capital punishment later, which is obviously a bad course of action, or clear attack on democracy, aiming to allow dictators and warlords to execute people at their whim. Listen, unles WA can get clear resolution on this, the argument will be going on endless. One party will always try to outlaw it, others will try to keep it in place. We ourselves are using capital punishment in our judiciary system, and its working very well. Our own laws were in accordance to WA resolution from the beginning, but some others were not. Before, capital punishment was used by all manners of dictators, warlords and anarchists to keep opposition silent. Or dead, for that matter, With recent World Assembly resolution, capital punishment is now only used to kill people who are dangerous to all citizens of our nations. Repealing this resolution will only cause further arguments, and new resolutions, either outlawing capital punishment, or limiting it like this one. I don't see how repealing this resolution would help in anything. As long as we have any power, Estigolselans will not allow this repeal to pass.

"You know what? Screw what the the WA says. They do not run South Acren and have no place telling us who we can and can't kill. Even if the resolution at hand is passed we will still continue to execute people we deam "Unfit to live" if the WA complain or, lord forbid, DO something, they can screw off. They claim to want to preserve democracy, well is law is worse then a dictatorship."

“Unfortunately for South Acren, the WA does have quite a lot of power. It recently passed the Administrative Compliance Act, which is perfect for dealing with non compliant and, quite frankly, irritating nations like yours. Ambassador, the ACA can and will impose fines on member states that flagrantly disregard GA legislation. If your nation decides to refuse to pay, it can expect to enjoy a wide variety of sanctions.”
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:52 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:It is not possible to fail to comply with WA legislation. Claims to the contrary are necessarily false.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:55 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:It is not possible to fail to comply with WA legislation. Claims to the contrary are necessarily false.

OOC: I mean, technically, you can RP your nation anyway you want. If you want to be pariah state that takes tons of WA-imposed fines, that's allowed. You'll still get the message telling you that the resolution has passed and that your nation is taking steps to implement it though.
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