LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Crysuko]

I'm sorry to be steryotypical but I have 0, absolute 0 qualms about rightists of any flavour being de-platformed, silenced and made to feel afraid.

If that's your attitude, some of us mainstream right wingers should make you feel afraid.

and so continues the battle for the hearts and minds of the many

[Yusseria]

Assaulting people doesn't seem to be a good way to handle things.

Eggs are as deadly as the AntiFA Bike-Locks of Mass Destruction!

Could you pick something Antifa-related for the next thread title?

I have something much better in mind, actually.

It's still assault, fam. Like, the law is supposed to apply to everybody equally, including Neo-Nazis.

[Uiiop]

I have no qualms about that as long as it stays strictly that.

Guess I should have tempered my own posts. No, I'd like to retract my statement of "censor the authoritarians." De-platforming them and getting people to de-associate with them and making it as unprofitable as possible for companies to be linked to them is acceptable, short of actually censoring and imprisoning them (which I don't actually advocate).

*shurgs* Can't say i blame ya for the confusion. Some people concerned with "Free speech" equate powerful private action with state action. Some of them sourcing that power with Government funding. Hence the EC.

[Torrocca]

Eggs are as deadly as the AntiFA Bike-Locks of Mass Destruction!



I have something much better in mind, actually.

It's still assault, fam. Like, the law is supposed to apply to everybody equally, including Neo-Nazis.

I don't think you could ever find a jury or judge that'd seriously see an egg as assault.

[Proctopeo]

At least you're fully honest about your authoritarianism. Have you cleaned your shrine to Vladimir Lenin recently?
Now,
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Not every authoritarian communist is literally Stalin

you're closer to Khrushchev than anything

best I can describe my ideology is with a Kaiserreich reference. Totalism, which is basically just a more hardline and authoritarian bend on Syndicalism.

oh so you're bedfellows with KRTL Moseley and Mussolini, and that one Georgian dude who was aligned with Stalin in OTL

...comforting...

It doesn't have to so down to Stalinist levels of oppression to be problematic. Under the UK's hate speech laws, YouTuber Count Dankula got arrested over a stupid joke.

Isn't that the dude who made his dog do a Nazi salute? Yeah, no, fuck that guy. "Hahaha, I'm gonna make my dog do the salute of a regime that murdered millions of people and caused one of the deadliest wars in human history! What a silly joke, I'm so funny!"

Excuse me for not being a teenage edgelord, but I don't find the systematic murder of millions of people based on their "race" (as well as religious and political beliefs) to be particularly fucking funny.

Reminder, the literal goddamn Nazis didn't persecute someone for training his dog to do the Nazi salute on command. They considered it, but decided it wasn't necessary to press charges against Tor Borg and his dog Jackie.

It's obvious, from the example given by Borg, that Dankula was making fun of the German Reich and not congratulating it, which is corroborated by his statements saying (paraphrasing here) that "wouldn't it be funny to make a cute thing do the least cute thing imaginable?".

Assaulting people doesn't seem to be a good way to handle things.

Eggs are as deadly as the AntiFA Bike-Locks of Mass Destruction!

That bike lock guy caused grievous harm to someone, tho, because it turns out that shit heavy and can fuck up a cranium

[Torrocca]

best I can describe my ideology is with a Kaiserreich reference. Totalism, which is basically just a more hardline and authoritarian bend on Syndicalism.

oh so you're bedfellows with KRTL Moseley and Mussolini, and that one Georgian dude who was aligned with Stalin in OTL

...comforting...

Isn't that the dude who made his dog do a Nazi salute? Yeah, no, fuck that guy. "Hahaha, I'm gonna make my dog do the salute of a regime that murdered millions of people and caused one of the deadliest wars in human history! What a silly joke, I'm so funny!"

Excuse me for not being a teenage edgelord, but I don't find the systematic murder of millions of people based on their "race" (as well as religious and political beliefs) to be particularly fucking funny.

Reminder, the literal goddamn Nazis didn't persecute someone for training his dog to do the Nazi salute on command. They considered it, but decided it wasn't necessary to press charges against Tor Borg and his dog Jackie.

It's obvious, from the example given by Borg, that Dankula was making fun of the German Reich and not congratulating it, which is corroborated by his statements saying (paraphrasing here) that "wouldn't it be funny to make a cute thing do the least cute thing imaginable?".

Eggs are as deadly as the AntiFA Bike-Locks of Mass Destruction!

That bike lock guy caused grievous harm to someone, tho, because it turns out that shit heavy and can fuck up a cranium

On the other hand, as fucked up as walloping a person with a Bike-Lock of Mass Destruction is, that was one person over two years ago, whereas in that time frame we have multiple cases of far-right extremists going on mass-murder sprees.

[Byzconia]

Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.

I'm pretty certain that censoring Nazism is a thing most leftists can comfortably agree on.

Left-"libertarians" and literal Stalinists make weird bedfellows when it comes to suppressing an ideology.[/quote]
Funny how you put "libertarian" in quotes here when leftists are the original libertarians and you're the ones who stole the term for yourselves.

Given that plenty of Western democracies have implemented hate speech laws and have yet to descend into Stalinist repression, this borders on a slippery slope fallacy.

Cool, but I never mentioned Stalin or Stalinism.
Only that the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon. Doesn't mean Western democracies haven't been idiots, and that it won't bite them in the ass in the future.[/quote]
You say it will "bite them on the ass," I say it won't. As it stands, you have absolutely zero empirical evidence to back up your claim (not the first time I've said that phrase to a Libertarian).

"Everyone who disagrees with me just refuses to see the obvious objective reality!"

But I'll bite, what's the "evident difference."

Defending implies a degree of sympathy and support. Permission implies tolerance, which itself doesn't in any way imply sympathy or support. It's that simple.[/quote]
Like I said, distinction without a difference. Pretty sure the Jews in the concentration camps didn't give two shits whether the various political groups that handed Germany to the Nazis (literally all of the parliamentary parties except for the Social Democrats and Communists) were "defending" or "permitting" the Nazis. They ended up paying the price either way.

[Proctopeo]

oh so you're bedfellows with KRTL Moseley and Mussolini, and that one Georgian dude who was aligned with Stalin in OTL

...comforting...


Reminder, the literal goddamn Nazis didn't persecute someone for training his dog to do the Nazi salute on command. They considered it, but decided it wasn't necessary to press charges against Tor Borg and his dog Jackie.

It's obvious, from the example given by Borg, that Dankula was making fun of the German Reich and not congratulating it, which is corroborated by his statements saying (paraphrasing here) that "wouldn't it be funny to make a cute thing do the least cute thing imaginable?".


That bike lock guy caused grievous harm to someone, tho, because it turns out that shit heavy and can fuck up a cranium

On the other hand, as fucked up as walloping a person with a Bike-Lock of Mass Destruction is, that was one person over two years ago, whereas in that time frame we have multiple cases of far-right extremists going on mass-murder sprees.

whataboutism fam :^)

[Yusseria]

It's still assault, fam. Like, the law is supposed to apply to everybody equally, including Neo-Nazis.

I don't think you could ever find a jury or judge that'd seriously see an egg as assault.

Dude, shoving somebody counts as assault. I'm pretty sure egging them also counts.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Over a fucking joke, really?

literal nazism. he should hang for it.

/s

He is not a Nazi. He did it to prank his Girlfriend.

[Greater Westralia]

I don't think you could ever find a jury or judge that'd seriously see an egg as assault.

First off, I think that's wrong, and secondly it doesn't matter. Hitting a person with an egg is assault, according to Australian law.

I think neither Fraser Anning and Will Connolly pressed charges because they basically committed assault and would have a hard time convincing a jury that their use of assault was excusable.

[Torrocca]

I don't think you could ever find a jury or judge that'd seriously see an egg as assault.

Dude, shoving somebody counts as assault. I'm pretty sure egging them also counts.

I didn't say it didn't count, I said I doubt you could find a judge or jury that'd earnestly rule a fucking egging as assault.

[Lamoni]

Over a fucking joke, really?

literal nazism. he should hang for it.

/s

The "/s" is a not a get out of moderation free card. In the future, refrain from advocating death.