Taiwan lost another nation that recognized them

[Rio Cana]

The latest nation to dump Taiwan for the PRC. is El Salvador which has a population of 6.4 million. The only so called nations with a sizable population still recognizing Taiwan are Guatemala (14 million), Honduras (7 million), Nicaragua (6 million) and Costa Rica with (4 million). Lets not forget Paraguay in South America with a population of 6.8 million.
The following shows all the 17 nations that still recognize Taiwan. http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rn ... N-ALLY.jpg

Found out Nicaragua and Taiwan have a defense agreement but ties between both nations are shaky. Could be that the PRC. money purse is much larger then the Taiwanese money purse.

Seriously, chances are Taiwan will slowly lose recognition of those nations I listed above. They cannot really compete with the money and trade connections the PRC currently has in the world. I am not really sure what road they will take. But if they decided to declare there independence in ordered to be recognized by the world anything could happen.

[Anime North America]

TAIWAN NUMBAH TWO

Hah, but for real. As you mentioned, this is obviously just economic posturing on behalf of El Salvador, though I'm rather surprised so few states actually recognize the RoC. An American-supported invasion of the mainland simply isn't happening after Deng Xiaoping made China the world's factory, so I can't imagine them having many options but to renounce their claims and reconcile with the PRC.

[Ethel mermania]

Taiwan is screwed.

Taiwanese independence should have been the price for giving the PRC the security council seat, that said that ship sailed a long time ago. (Though at the time Taiwan would not have supported the deal).

[New Mushroom Kingdom]

The latest nation to dump Taiwan for the PRC. is El Salvador which has a population of 6.4 million. The only so called nations with a sizable population still recognizing Taiwan are Guatemala (14 million), Honduras (7 million), Nicaragua (6 million) and Costa Rica with (4 million). Lets not forget Paraguay in South America with a population of 6.8 million.
The following shows all the 17 nations that still recognize Taiwan. http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rn ... N-ALLY.jpg

Found out Nicaragua and Taiwan have a defense agreement but ties between both nations are shaky. Could be that the PRC. money purse is much larger then the Taiwanese money purse.

Seriously, chances are Taiwan will slowly lose recognition of those nations I listed above. They cannot really compete with the money and trade connections the PRC currently has in the world. I am not really sure what road they will take. But if they decided to declare there independence in ordered to be recognized by the world anything could happen.

If Taiwan declared independence wouldn't the PRC just straight-up invade them?

[The South Falls]

Too many states need the PRC to avoid starvation, and China can easily throw its weight around, with great effect.

[Ausinia]

WHAT? Why does PRC need Taiwan anyway, they’ve managed to make artificial défense islands and break a treaty at the same time, what more could they want?

[The Transhuman Union]

Too many states need the PRC to avoid starvation, and China can easily throw its weight around, with great effect.

Wha?

[The Archregimancy]

If Taiwan declared independence wouldn't the PRC just straight-up invade them?

How do you propose that would work, then?

A war between the PRC and the United States is obviously in everyone's best interest, after all.

[The South Falls]

If Taiwan declared independence wouldn't the PRC just straight-up invade them?

How do you propose that would work, then?

A war between the PRC and the United States is obviously in everyone's best interest, after all.

How would you know they'd let them slide then?

[Washingtonian Republic]

Hmm... out-of-the-box idea here, let's sign a few treaties and agreements, allowing the United States to acquire them as the 51st (or 52nd depending on timing of entry into the union) state. Provides another base in the Pacific for the US Armed Forces, and the Taiwanese are shielded from an aggressive China.

[Novum Imperium Atlanticum]

So, a shithole country refuses to acknowledge a speck beneath China?

[Ethel mermania]

If Taiwan declared independence wouldn't the PRC just straight-up invade them?

How do you propose that would work, then?

A war between the PRC and the United States is obviously in everyone's best interest, after all.

If tawian declares independence, the US would not be obligated to defend Taiwan.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/taiwans-us- ... eak-either

I am not seeing the US rushing into war with the PRC so fast, particularly if Taiwan provokes it.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

So, a shithole country refuses to acknowledge a speck beneath China?

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There's no such thing as a shithole country, only a shithole government, and China is a perfect example of one.

[The Transhuman Union]

So, a shithole country refuses to acknowledge a speck beneath China?

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You see, if you call El Salvador a "shithole country", then the countries who recognize the ROC are all "shithole countries".

[The Archregimancy]

How do you propose that would work, then?

A war between the PRC and the United States is obviously in everyone's best interest, after all.

How would you know they'd let them slide then?

I'm not sure that sentence is entirely coherent; you likely - though regrettably wholly mistakenly - think you've made a clever and witty rebuttal.

But even if we think the PRC has the military capability to invade Taiwan - which is questionable - US Foreign policy is based on discouraging both a Taiwanese UDI and forced unification between the PRC and Taiwan. The PRC is no more likely to invade Taiwan than the US is likely to encourage the Taiwanese to declare independence.

So the point is rather moot.

[The South Falls]

Too many states need the PRC to avoid starvation, and China can easily throw its weight around, with great effect.

Wha?

That was a joke. Though many nations get food imports from China. Large ones.

[The Transhuman Union]

Wha?

That was a joke. Though many nations get food imports from China. Large ones.

I think you meant hyperbole, but okay. Though your jokes are too subtle, no offense.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Wha?

That was a joke. Though many nations get food imports from China. Large ones.

If China has so much extra food, why were they buying so many crops from the United States?

[The South Falls]

How would you know they'd let them slide then?

I'm not sure that sentence is entirely coherent; you likely - though regrettably wholly mistakenly - think you've made a clever and witty rebuttal.

But even if we think the PRC has the military capability to invade Taiwan - which is questionable - US Foreign policy is based on discouraging both a Taiwanese UDI and forced unification between the PRC and Taiwan. The PRC is no more likely to invade Taiwan than the US is likely to encourage the Taiwanese to declare independence.

So the point is rather moot.

No in fact, it was a real response. And there is not a particularly together movement for independence in Taiwan. I was mistaken, however only in thinking that you were pro-independence for Taiwan, and asked you a question about that stance.

Also, how'd the question not make sense?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, a shithole country refuses to acknowledge a speck beneath China?

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[The Archregimancy]

How do you propose that would work, then?

A war between the PRC and the United States is obviously in everyone's best interest, after all.

If tawian declares independence, the US would not be obligated to defend Taiwan.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/taiwans-us- ... eak-either

I am not seeing the US rushing into war with the PRC so fast, particularly if Taiwan provokes it.

That's a much better reply; thank you.

US foreign policy towards Taiwan is based on careful ambiguity. You can't offer to defend a country that doesn't exist, after all; which is why explicit US obligations towards Taiwan ended in '79.

But everyone - including China - recognises the reality of the ambiguity; the US will offer Taiwan support so long as Taiwan doesn't do anything stupid.

A UDI by Taiwan would admittedly come under the category of 'something stupid'; but that's precisely why it won't happen. Though I also doubt that China currently has the military capability to invade Taiwan; which is why that scenario won't happen either.

It's in everyone's interest to maintain the status quo.

Though the above admittedly all assumes that the government in Washington DC is run by sane, rational adults. Alas, while we can trust that the Chinese government is largely run by sane, rational adults, we can't make the same claim about the US executive branch.

[The Transhuman Union]

How would you know they'd let them slide then?

I'm not sure that sentence is entirely coherent; you likely - though regrettably wholly mistakenly - think you've made a clever and witty rebuttal.

But even if we think the PRC has the military capability to invade Taiwan - which is questionable - US Foreign policy is based on discouraging both a Taiwanese UDI and forced unification between the PRC and Taiwan. The PRC is no more likely to invade Taiwan than the US is likely to encourage the Taiwanese to declare independence.

So the point is rather moot.

If you're hypothesizing a 1v1 fight between PRC and ROC, then why wouldn't it?

[The Archregimancy]

I'm not sure that sentence is entirely coherent; you likely - though regrettably wholly mistakenly - think you've made a clever and witty rebuttal.

But even if we think the PRC has the military capability to invade Taiwan - which is questionable - US Foreign policy is based on discouraging both a Taiwanese UDI and forced unification between the PRC and Taiwan. The PRC is no more likely to invade Taiwan than the US is likely to encourage the Taiwanese to declare independence.

So the point is rather moot.

No in fact, it was a real response. And there is not a particularly together movement for independence in Taiwan. I was mistaken, however only in thinking that you were pro-independence for Taiwan

Well, that wasn't a particularly accurate assumption.

[Uxupox]

I'm not sure that sentence is entirely coherent; you likely - though regrettably wholly mistakenly - think you've made a clever and witty rebuttal.

But even if we think the PRC has the military capability to invade Taiwan - which is questionable - US Foreign policy is based on discouraging both a Taiwanese UDI and forced unification between the PRC and Taiwan. The PRC is no more likely to invade Taiwan than the US is likely to encourage the Taiwanese to declare independence.

So the point is rather moot.

If you're hypothesizing a 1v1 fight between PRC and ROC, then why wouldn't it?

A "1v1" between the PRC and ROC is not going to happen unless China wants its Asian neighbors come a knocking. PRC relations with the region are abysmal and if they are seen as attempting a power grab for a violation of "sovereignty" of another nation then it will be more trouble than it's worth.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No in fact, it was a real response. And there is not a particularly together movement for independence in Taiwan. I was mistaken, however only in thinking that you were pro-independence for Taiwan

Well, that wasn't a particularly accurate assumption.

What do you think Taiwan should do, realistically speaking?