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Commend Imkiville
Category: Commendation | Nominee: Imkiville | Proposed by: Escade

The Esteemed Security Council:

Noting that Imkiville has established a reputation among myriad nations and regions as an outstanding nation and the liberator's decision to surrender control over the region of Lazarus stands as unique testament to the nation putting the welfare of nations and regions above despotism;

Proud that Imkiville took a stand to help build communities when the nation decided to liberate Lazarus from the tyranny of Lone Wolves United, to establish a new government, and to hold a constitutional convention;

Understanding that many long time natives have returned to the region because of Imkiville's actions to help govern the region and establish peace and stability;

Remarking that this would not be possible without the leadership and boldness exemplified by Imkiville during this time of great stress for Lazarus; the nation's leadership skills exemplified by their ability to get six disparate feeders and sinkers to negotiate with each other about the future of the region;

Acknowledging the impact Imkiville had on reviving the SPSF in the South Pacific and making it an active and organized force and the nation’s positive influences on the region to this date;

Stating that it is commendable that the nation took it in great stride when faced with unimaginable and unfair negativity and overcame it through positive focus and region building;

Praising the great works of art produced by the citizenry of Imkiville that have had a world-renowned impact on numerous nations and regions - increasing the aesthetic principles across nations and regions;

Hereby commends Imkiville.

Co-authored with Feux and Kozmix.


Thanks to co-authors for helping make this happen and thank you in advance for comments, edits and suggestions! This is my first proposal so tiny bit nervous!

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Commend Imkiville
Category: Commendation | Nominee: Imkiville | Proposed by: Escade

The Esteemed Security Council:

Noting that Imkiville has established a reputation among myriad nations and regions as an outstanding nation and the liberator's decision to surrender control over the region of Lazarus stands as unique testament to the nation putting the welfare of nations and regions above despotism;

Proud that Imkiville took a stand to help build communities when the nation decided to liberate Lazarus from the tyranny of Lone Wolves United, to establish a new government, and to hold a constitutional convention;

Understanding that many long time natives have returned to the region because of Imkiville's actions to help govern the region and establish peace and stability;

Remarking on the historic Peacekeeper Agreement, an excellent piece of foreign affairs legislation between Lazarus and six other Feeders and Sinkers, a rare occurrence, which wasdesigned to ensure Lazarus' transition to a new government;

Believing such an agreement would not be possible without the leadership and boldness exemplified by Imkiville during this time of great stress for Lazarus;

Acknowledging the impact Imkiville had on reviving the SPSF in the South Pacific and making it an active and organized force and the nation’s positive influences on the region to this date;

Stating that it is commendable that the nation took it in great stride when faced with unimaginable and unfair negativity and overcame it through positive focus and region building;

Praising the great works of art produced by the citizenry of Imkiville that have had a world-renowned impact on numerous nations and regions - increasing the aesthetic principles across nations and regions;

Hereby commends Imkiville.

Co-authored with Feux and Kozmix.


Thanks to co-authors for helping make this happen and thank you in advance for comments, edits and suggestions! This is my first proposal so tiny bit nervous!
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I obviously support this and think it's amazin'
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:11 pm

Referring to "players" probably breaches Rule 4b; to NationStates as a "game" definitely breaches Rule 4c. The Compendium also notes that "If your argument uses a different name to refer to the nominee in the argument (e.g. a Condemnation of "Sedgistan" refers to "Sedge") you need to clearly state that this is an alternate name for the nominee (e.g. "Noting that Sedgistan is more commonly referred to as Sedge")."

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Tinhampton wrote:Referring to "players" probably breaches Rule 4b; to NationStates as a "game" definitely breaches Rule 4c. The Compendium also notes that "If your argument uses a different name to refer to the nominee in the argument (e.g. a Condemnation of "Sedgistan" refers to "Sedge") you need to clearly state that this is an alternate name for the nominee (e.g. "Noting that Sedgistan is more commonly referred to as Sedge")."

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I don't think the use of "games" here refers to NS.
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Feux wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Referring to "players" probably breaches Rule 4b; to NationStates as a "game" definitely breaches Rule 4c. The Compendium also notes that "If your argument uses a different name to refer to the nominee in the argument (e.g. a Condemnation of "Sedgistan" refers to "Sedge") you need to clearly state that this is an alternate name for the nominee (e.g. "Noting that Sedgistan is more commonly referred to as Sedge")."

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I don't think the use of "games" here refers to NS.

Its probably iffy enough that you may want to change it. Otherwise, its well written and I will always support a commendation of Imki. Hail Anarqueen Imki!
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Kuriko wrote:
Feux wrote:I don't think the use of "games" here refers to NS.

Its probably iffy enough that you may want to change it. Otherwise, its well written and I will always support a commendation of Imki. Hail Anarqueen Imki!

Yeah. It will probably have to be changed. Thanks for the support. Remember to vote early.
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Feux wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Referring to "players" probably breaches Rule 4b; to NationStates as a "game" definitely breaches Rule 4c. The Compendium also notes that "If your argument uses a different name to refer to the nominee in the argument (e.g. a Condemnation of "Sedgistan" refers to "Sedge") you need to clearly state that this is an alternate name for the nominee (e.g. "Noting that Sedgistan is more commonly referred to as Sedge")."

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I don't think the use of "games" here refers to NS.

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Commend Imkiville
Category: Commendation | Nominee: Imkiville | Proposed by: Escade, Feux, Kozmix

The Esteemed Security Council:

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Praising the great works of art produced by the citizenry of Imkiville that have had a world-renowned impact on numerous nations and regions - increasing the aesthetic principles across the game;

Hereby commends Imkiville.

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Feux wrote:
Kuriko wrote:Its probably iffy enough that you may want to change it. Otherwise, its well written and I will always support a commendation of Imki. Hail Anarqueen Imki!

Yeah. It will probably have to be changed. Thanks for the support. Remember to vote early.

You could say "political games"....
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Okies, I made some edits based on those comments! Thanks, let me know where else it can be more specific :)
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Postby Armaros » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:36 pm

Support I guess. I see no reason to be against this, although, as others have noted in the other proposal about it, you might first want to see what happens while their delegate. But in support either way.
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Postby Fauxia » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:48 pm

Coauthors should be listed at the end, you can’t have multiple submitting authors.

Still against at this juncture. I feel it’s too early and including the Peacekeeper Agreement as part of the commendation is ridiculous.
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Democratic Sri Lanka wrote:
Feux wrote:I don't think the use of "games" here refers to NS.

Escade wrote:
Commend Imkiville
Category: Commendation | Nominee: Imkiville | Proposed by: Escade, Feux, Kozmix

The Esteemed Security Council:

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Praising the great works of art produced by the citizenry of Imkiville that have had a world-renowned impact on numerous nations and regions - increasing the aesthetic principles across the game;

Hereby commends Imkiville.

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Oh derp. Yeah, you are right. I thought you meant the first use of the word "games" that was in the first clause earlier.
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Armaros wrote:Support I guess. I see no reason to be against this, although, as others have noted in the other proposal about it, you might first want to see what happens while their delegate. But in support either way.



I mean I tried to make sure there was nothing future tense about this, as in the actions already taken are laudable enough to commend Imkiville? I suppose I see why some may "wait and see" but I think from my perspective, region building is an imperfect game and the act of setting up the region to actually be a region, instead of a trophy is worthwhile.

Fauxia wrote:Coauthors should be listed at the end, you can’t have multiple submitting authors.

Still against at this juncture. I feel it’s too early and including the Peacekeeper Agreement as part of the commendation is ridiculous.


I'm curious to know why (regarding the Peacekeeper Agreement) ? It brought together some regions that have been opposed to each other for some time now? That in itself was something new and could bear fruit in the future but in regards to the point of this commendation, doesn't have to.

Also is the co-authors at the end a hard rule?

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Don't think it's a rule. More a tradition. It isn't necessary, but it is advised.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:03 pm

Escade wrote:Also is the co-authors at the end a hard rule?

It's not so much a rule as game code. You can only have a single submitting author. Co-authors must be included in the text of the proposal.

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Fauxia wrote:Coauthors should be listed at the end, you can’t have multiple submitting authors.

Still against at this juncture. I feel it’s too early and including the Peacekeeper Agreement as part of the commendation is ridiculous.

I think the act of agreement is an amazement. It's a rare occurrence that almost all the GCRs get on the same page about something, excluding Balder obviously. Imki, for taking the leadership role necessary to achieve something like that, even if the results are mixed - like they always are - should be recognized for the undertaking. She did not have to invite the international community to help stabilize Lazarus, but she decided too. We should also be interested in rewarding decisions like that for future cases. If I could make a last appeal about that, approach it from commending the undertaking, a big and rare event, rather than the difficult exchanges that come with rebuilding a region.

Also, as a side note, the SC has commended people before for art they create alone. Imki has done plenty of that, and tacked on a list of other achievements. Please take this all into consideration and get back to me.
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Escade wrote:

Commend Imkiville
Category: Commendation | Nominee: Imkiville | Proposed by: Escade | Co-Authors: Feux, Kozmix

The Esteemed Security Council:

Noting that Imkiville has established a reputation among myriad nations and regions as an outstanding nation and the liberator's decision to surrender control over the region of Lazarus stands as unique testament to the nation putting the welfare of nations and regions above despotism;

Proud that Imkiville took a stand to help build communities when the nation decided to liberate Lazarus from the tyranny of Lone Wolves United, to establish a new government, and to hold a constitutional convention;

Understanding that many long time natives have returned to the region because of Imkiville's actions to help govern the region and establish peace and stability;

Remarking on the historic Peacekeeper Agreement, an excellent piece of foreign affairs legislation between Lazarus and six major regions six other Feeders and Sinkers, a rare occurance, which was designed to ensure Lazarus' transition to a new government;

Believing such an agreement would not be possible without the leadership and boldness exemplified by Imkiville during this time of great stress for Lazarus;

Acknowledging the impact Imkiville had on reviving the SPSF in the South Pacific and making it an active and organized force and the nation’s positive influences on the region to this date;

Stating that it is commendable that the nation took it in great stride when faced with unimaginable and unfair negativity and overcame it through positive focus and region building;

Praising the great works of art produced by the citizenry of Imkiville that have had a world-renowned impact on numerous nations and regions - increasing the aesthetic principles across nations and regions;

Hereby commends Imkiville.

Co-authored with Feux and Kozmix.


Thanks to co-authors for helping make this happen and thank you in advance for comments, edits and suggestions! This is my first proposal so tiny bit nervous!

I've made some small adjustments in red, just little things I've noticed.
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Sounds good to me. I support it

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Full support, well written Escade.
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I'm confused why Imki should be commended when Kazmr was not for doing the same thing.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:30 pm

I still want to wait until an active government is established.

Jakker wrote:I'm confused why Imki should be commended when Kazmr was not for doing the same thing.

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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:42 pm

Escade wrote:Noting that Imkiville has established a reputation among myriad nations and regions as an outstanding nation and the liberator's decision to surrender control over the region of Lazarus stands as unique testament to the nation putting the welfare nations and regions above despotism;


Surrendered control over Lazarus by... declaring herself Delegate for life, when she promised everybody she would only be a "caretaker."

Escade wrote:Proud that Imkiville took a stand to help build communities when the nation decided to liberate Lazarus from the tyranny of Lone Wolves United, to establish a new government, and hold a constitutional convention;


... A convention she hated, threatened to end the entire time it was happening, and then disbanded it to (as above) install herself as Delegate for life.

Escade wrote:Remarking on the historic Peacekeeper Agreement, an excellent piece of foreign affairs legislation between Lazarus and six major regions, designed to ensure Lazarus' transition to a new government;

Believing such an agreement would not be possible without the leadership and boldness exemplified by Imkiville during this time of great stress for Lazarus;


An agreement she trashed and violated nearly every single article of, rendering the whole peacekeeping idea likely dead on arrival the next time there's a GCR coup...

Escade wrote:Stating that is commendable that the nation took it in great stride when faced with unimaginable and unfair negativity and overcame it through positive focus and region building;


Negativity from whom, I wonder, and about what?

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Postby Benjabobaria » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:49 pm

Imki's restoration of order to Lazarus is, well, commendable.
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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:56 pm

She's great, but I don't see her as worthy of a commendation.

Jakker wrote:I'm confused why Imki should be commended when Kazmr was not for doing the same thing.


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Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Escade wrote:Noting that Imkiville has established a reputation among myriad nations and regions as an outstanding nation and the liberator's decision to surrender control over the region of Lazarus stands as unique testament to the nation putting the welfare nations and regions above despotism;


Surrendered control over Lazarus by... declaring herself Delegate for life, when she promised everybody she would only be a "caretaker."

Escade wrote:Proud that Imkiville took a stand to help build communities when the nation decided to liberate Lazarus from the tyranny of Lone Wolves United, to establish a new government, and hold a constitutional convention;


... A convention she hated, threatened to end the entire time it was happening, and then disbanded it to (as above) install herself as Delegate for life.

Escade wrote:Remarking on the historic Peacekeeper Agreement, an excellent piece of foreign affairs legislation between Lazarus and six major regions, designed to ensure Lazarus' transition to a new government;

Believing such an agreement would not be possible without the leadership and boldness exemplified by Imkiville during this time of great stress for Lazarus;


An agreement she trashed and violated nearly every single article of, rendering the whole peacekeeping idea likely dead on arrival the next time there's a GCR coup...

Escade wrote:Stating that is commendable that the nation took it in great stride when faced with unimaginable and unfair negativity and overcame it through positive focus and region building;


Negativity from whom, I wonder, and about what?


Yes, like you were there ;)

Literally, almost every Peacekeeper was okay with this before and after. Hell, it was one who even suggested it. I could be wrong, but I think it was one of the TSP side who did. I'll have to go back and check.

The only people in the after who haven't gave their blessing nor a condemnation is TRR and technically TSP by virtue of governmental change. So, not everyone agree with the "trashed" agreement mindset. After all it's and agreement and if most of the parties think it should be dissolved, what's the issue?

You'd have to have been there to see the shit going on on the scenes and behind the scenes. I can tell you; Imki, the CoN, and the PK's did the best they could to come up with ways to make everything work or advise such and many of us were critical of what wasn't working on everyone's end. Lot's of people made mistakes, but to blame it squarely on Imki or even the CoN is just not truthful.

Not like any of what I say is going to change your rose tinted glasses.


I don't condone nor condemn this proposal, I don't think Imki has done enough to warrant it, but she has potential. I'd like people reading this thread to promptly ignore Glen Rhodes. You either should support this or should think it's too early for this, not because some silly petty vendetta and biased opinion that Glen holds.
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