Weaken Faith Authority [DRAFT]

[Dawn Kingdom]

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the fact that religion is one of the most influential forces in many nations.

BELIEVING that authority of religious representatives and institutions must be regulated and decreased.

Hereby,

1.) All the monetary donations from the citizens will be managed by the government, to ensure that donations are used in good cause and to make places of worship solely dependent of the government,

2.) Mobilisation of police forces:
a) Permits member nations to use their police in order to guard and protect religious institutions, if there is a demonstratable risk of harm to adherents and with the institution’s consent,
b) Empowers the aforementioned police to protect notable religious figures from harm when they are making a speech on the topic of faith,
c) Guards must submit actions of religious representatives to the government, so government might oversee loyalty of faith members.

3.) Religious head (patriarch, pope, caliph and etc.) will be chosen by the government to ensure that loyal people rule over the religion.

Category - Political Stability

Strength - Significant

Soo, I haven't proposed it yet, I just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

[Christian Democrats]

How would prohibitions targeting religiously motivated misconduct comply with previous resolutions that prohibit religious discrimination?

[Dawn Kingdom]

How would prohibitions targeting religiously motivated misconduct comply with previous resolutions that prohibit religious discrimination?

yes I agree with you, some of the paragraphs might be just like previous legislations, but entirely proposal is original. Is it? it is hard to track down 450+ resolutions. Thank you for the comment tho.

[Prussian Polish Commonwealth]

Just churches?
Unless you're gonna apply it to mosques and synagogues too, I guess, but something tells me that in your case mosques get a free pass.
Side note: Wouldn't this outlaw theocratic nations?
This is just the little 'Happy Birthday' sign they put on birthday cakes, I imagine there's more to point out.

[Wallenburg]

Illegal for ideological ban (as currently applied), contradiction of Charter of Civil Rights, contradiction of Protecting Free Expression, contradiction of Freedom of Religion, contradiction of Freedom of Assembly, contradiction of Convention Against Genocide, contradiction of Individual Working Freedoms, contradiction of WA General Fund, proposal basics. I imagine I missed a few things, feel free to add to the list.

[Dawn Kingdom]

Just churches?
Unless you're gonna apply it to mosques and synagogues too, I guess, but something tells me that in your case mosques get a free pass.
Side note: Wouldn't this outlaw theocratic nations?

It is prohibited to outlaw the whole ideology itself. But as I said, I haven't posted the resolution yet. Thank you for correcting me. But how to unite churches synahobues mosques into one word?

[Prussian Polish Commonwealth]

Just churches?
Unless you're gonna apply it to mosques and synagogues too, I guess, but something tells me that in your case mosques get a free pass.
Side note: Wouldn't this outlaw theocratic nations?

It is prohibited to outlaw the whole ideology itself. But as I said, I haven't posted the resolution yet. Thank you for correcting me. But how to unite churches synahobues mosques into one word?

stop
you're making my head hurt

[Dawn Kingdom]

Illegal for ideological ban (as currently applied), contradiction of Charter of Civil Rights, contradiction of Protecting Free Expression, contradiction of Freedom of Religion, contradiction of Freedom of Assembly, contradiction of Convention Against Genocide, contradiction of Individual Working Freedoms, contradiction of WA General Fund, proposal basics. I imagine I missed a few things, feel free to add to the list.

I have read the laws and I know the rules. Separating chuch from state isn't same as outlawing the whole religion, neither it is about banning ideology. I used word zealous not because I like how it sounds. Zealous means fanatic, fanatic and religious people aren't the same. I am not banning religion. Thank you for the comment.

[Wallenburg]

Oh also illegal for contradicting Cultural Site Preservation.

[Dawn Kingdom]

Please note that I am not outlawing any religion or culture. Focus on the words I use. Separate not outlaw the whole thing.

[Wallenburg]

This would ban theocracies. That violates the Ideological Ban rule. /debate

[Dawn Kingdom]

This would ban theocracies. That violates the Ideological Ban rule. /debate

I haven't proposed it yet. I will fix something, add something so it could be more legal. i guess

[Essu Beti]

“What, exactly, is a “power-lust monk?”” asks Inan, the assistant to the absent ambassador of Essu Beti, a highly religious nation. “There are plenty of things to pick at here, but to be honest that’s the one that stood out the most. It’s a ridiculous term you’ve made up there.”

[Dawn Kingdom]

Soo, should i say number of faith representatives must ne strictly regulated and decreaces istead of religious authorities will be banmed from goverment?!

[Jebslund]

How would prohibitions targeting religiously motivated misconduct comply with previous resolutions that prohibit religious discrimination?

yes I agree with you, some of the paragraphs might be just like previous legislations, but entirely proposal is original. Is it? it is hard to track down 450+ resolutions. Thank you for the comment tho.

[OOC: That's what the search function is for. Same color code as the last one.]

The world assembly,
Many nations have zealous population. Churches are spreading their influence throughtout the nation, while polluting nation's firm standards and enacting crazy and zealous, unfair ideas. We must put an end to it. Blogging.

1.) Decreasing religious authorities' influence.
a) Religious authorities will be prohibited to spread hate in the name of the god.
b) Religious authorities will be banned from government. Their corrupted and bribed ideas won't influence legislations that are taking part in the nation. Unneeded. Also bloggish. A and B are good here, but you should rephrase them as mandates. Remember, this is a piece of legislation, not a letter. It needs to be written as a law, not a plan.
c)Less churches will be constructed throughtout the nation. Fewer churches, fewer preachers. And people won't be able to attend their corrupted meetings. Contradicts previous legislation.
d) Abusing human rights in the name of the god will be prohibited. It is not for monks to judge criminals. Unneeded. Also a tad bloggish.
e) Making zealous websites and spreading disgusting ideas throughtout the internet will be banned. conflicts with previous resolutions.
f) People who will share ideas of corrupted church will be sent to rehabilitation, or will be punished according to the court. Same. Religious freedom is a thing, even if it cannot be the sole reason for a repeal.

2.) [color=#FF0000]Government must raise voice against power-lust monks.
a) Government must publish their legislations on websites.
b) Government's agent must track down zealot websites and find the corrupted priest.
c) Government must speak publicly and share it's true ideologies to population.
d) Government mustn't let religious uprisings and protests to seize amy sort of real power and influence.[/color] Most of this section is in violation of at least two resolutions. The rest isn't really needed.

3.) Forcing strict laws on the church.
a) Representatives of church must publicly approve all of government's legislations. Freedom of Religion/Expression.
b) Various zealous sects will be disbanded and outlawed. Their HQ will be destroyed.c) Religious representatives must not mock government's legislations, such as marriage equality, polygamy, adultery, because "it is against the will of god". Disobedience will be punished according to the court. Note: The Legislature determines the punishments available for a crime. The courts merely choose from those, they do not decide the punishments themselves.
d) Collecting money from religious population and using it to spread the influence and corruption will be prohibited.
e) Monks, preachers, priests cannot have second job. They must be devoted to the church. Government must pay all of church's expenses, this way church will be dependent on government. This is a bit of a contradiction of the resolution as a whole (in that government funds are being used to support the Church. I'd advise against, but it might be somewhat salvageable.

4.) Using police force
a) Possible corrupted, bribed or religious policemen must be relived from his duties. There may be a better way to phrase this, but I like the idea, even if it does invite the question of why not simply have *all* corrupt officers, regardless of beliefs or lack thereof, relieved of their duties.
b) Government must start monthly checking each house inspect population if they are zealots. Zealot families will be seized and put on the trial. Define zealots (preferably in the preamble), and reword in a way that doesn't stomp all over their freedom of religion.

Soo, I have proposed it yet, I just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

[OOC: A better idea than the last proposal, but this one is still sorely in need of work. I would say it *could* work if you could do it in a way that isn't an ideological ban and doesn't fly in the face of freedom of religion. I'd also recommend working on this from a laptop or desktop (your local library ought to have some that you can use for free).]

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

The world assembly,
Many nations have zealous population. Churches are spreading their influence throughtout the nation, while polluting nation's firm standards and enacting crazy and zealous, unfair ideas. We must put an end to it.
This violates religious freedom.
1.) Decreasing religious authorities' influence.
a) Religious authorities will be prohibited to spread hate in the name of the god.
Violates free speech passed by United Massachusetts
b) Religious authorities will be banned from goverment. Their corrupted and bribed ideas won't influence legislations that are taking part in the nation.
I don't think that's a good idea. I think everyhone should have a say and be able to do anything.
c) Less churches will be constructed throughtout the nation. Fewer churches, fewer preachers. And people won't be able to attend their corrupted meetings.
No it makes a lot of religious people unhappy.
d) Abusing human rights in the name of the god will be prohibited. It is not for monks to judge criminals.
Can you explain how monks are doing bad things to criminals?
e) Making zealous websites and spreading disgusting ideas throughtout the internet will be banned.
Zealous and disgusting is a outrage word. This clamps down on freedom.
f) People who will share ideas of corrupted church will be sent to rehabilitation, or will be punished according to the court.
violates freedom of religion
2.) Goverment must raise voice against power-lust monks.
No. It is not their obligation nor their duty.
a) Goverment must publish their legislations on websites.
b) Goverment's agent must track down zealot websites and find the corrupted priest.
Can you define what a corrupted priest is? I find this phrase outrage
c) Goverment must speak publicly and share it's true ideologies to population.
d) Goverment mustn't let religious uprisings and protests to seize amy sort of real power and influence.

3.) Forcing strict laws on the church.
a) Representatives of church must publicly approve all of goverment's legislations.
b) Various zealous sects will be disbanded and outlawed. Their HQ will be deatroyed.
Can an agency know and tell the difference between non zealous and zealous sects? Wouldn't this go too far?
c) Religious representatives must not mock goverment's legislations, such as marrige equality, polygamy, adultery, because "it is against the will of god". Disobedience will be punished according to the court.
Religion has served a great purpose. I am not religious but it's there. All the morals and such. About how to behave. Violates freedom of speech
d) Collecting money from religious population and using it to
spread the influence and corruption will be prohibited.
What is corruption.
e) Monks, preachers, priests cannot have second job. They must be dovoted to the church. Goverment must pay all of church's expenses, this way church will be dependent on goverment.
why can't they have second job?
4.) Using police force
a) Possible corrupted, bribed or religious policemen must be relived from his duties.
b) Goverment must start monthly checking each house inspect population if they are zealots. Zealot families will be seized and put on the trial.
This is a bad idea in real life. Clamps down on freedom.
Soo, I have proposed it yet, I just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

[Aureumterra]

b) Religious authorities will be banned from goverment. Their corrupted and bribed ideas won’t influence legislations that are taking part in the nation.

OOC: You are basically outlawing most monarchies, who function on “chosen by [insert divine entity here]” to crown monarchs

c) Less churches will be constructed throughtout the nation. Fewer churches, fewer preachers. And people won’t be able to attend their corrupted meetings.

But why? You are disallowing citizens to have as many places of religion as they wish

e) Making zealous websites and spreading disgusting ideas throughtout the internet will be banned.

please define “disgusting, corrupt, powerllust” for the purpose of this proposal

2.) Goverment must raise voice against power-lust monks.
a) Goverment must publish their legislations on websites.
b) Goverment's agent must track down zealot websites and find the corrupted priest.
c) Goverment must speak publicly and share it's true ideologies to population.
d) Goverment mustn’t let religious uprisings and protests to seize amy sort of real power and influence.

This entire section takes waaaaaaaaay too much attention away from the proposal, and trying to accomplish things hundreds of resolution could not in one section

3.) Forcing strict laws on the church.
a) Representatives of church must publicly approve all of goverment's legislations.
b) Various zealous sects will be disbanded and outlawed. Their HQ will be deatroyed.
c) Religious representatives must not mock goverment's legislations, such as marrige equality, polygamy, adultery, because "it is against the will of god". Disobedience will be punished according to the court.
d) Collecting money from religious population and using it to
spread the influence and corruption will be prohibited.
e) Monks, preachers, priests cannot have second job. They must be dovoted to the church. Goverment must pay all of church’s expenses, this way church will be dependent on goverment.

The same statement listed above applies here, except job freedoms are sacrificed too

a) Possible corrupted, bribed or religious policemen must be relived from his duties.

Based on religion, government jobs will be decided?

b) Goverment must start monthly checking each house inspect population if they are zealots. Zealot families will be seized and put on the trial.

You are forcing our government to invade our citizen’s privacy… no thanks

All in all, you seem new to the WA, I recommend just straight up abandoning this draft, as the core idea is inplausible in a single resolution. I recommend seeing passed resolutions and learning how the process works.

[Dawn Kingdom]

yes I agree with you, some of the paragraphs might be just like previous legislations, but entirely proposal is original. Is it? it is hard to track down 450+ resolutions. Thank you for the comment tho.

[OOC: That's what the search function is for. Same color code as the last one.]

The world assembly,
Many nations have zealous population. Churches are spreading their influence throughtout the nation, while polluting nation's firm standards and enacting crazy and zealous, unfair ideas. We must put an end to it. Blogging.

1.) Decreasing religious authorities' influence.
a) Religious authorities will be prohibited to spread hate in the name of the god.
b) Religious authorities will be banned from government. Their corrupted and bribed ideas won't influence legislations that are taking part in the nation. Unneeded. Also bloggish. A and B are good here, but you should rephrase them as mandates. Remember, this is a piece of legislation, not a letter. It needs to be written as a law, not a plan.
c)Less churches will be constructed throughtout the nation. Fewer churches, fewer preachers. And people won't be able to attend their corrupted meetings. Contradicts previous legislation.
d) Abusing human rights in the name of the god will be prohibited. It is not for monks to judge criminals. Unneeded. Also a tad bloggish.
e) Making zealous websites and spreading disgusting ideas throughtout the internet will be banned. conflicts with previous resolutions.
f) People who will share ideas of corrupted church will be sent to rehabilitation, or will be punished according to the court. Same. Religious freedom is a thing, even if it cannot be the sole reason for a repeal.

2.) [color=#FF0000]Government must raise voice against power-lust monks.
a) Government must publish their legislations on websites.
b) Government's agent must track down zealot websites and find the corrupted priest.
c) Government must speak publicly and share it's true ideologies to population.
d) Government mustn't let religious uprisings and protests to seize amy sort of real power and influence.[/color] Most of this section is in violation of at least two resolutions. The rest isn't really needed.

3.) Forcing strict laws on the church.
a) Representatives of church must publicly approve all of government's legislations. Freedom of Religion/Expression.
b) Various zealous sects will be disbanded and outlawed. Their HQ will be destroyed.c) Religious representatives must not mock government's legislations, such as marriage equality, polygamy, adultery, because "it is against the will of god". Disobedience will be punished according to the court. Note: The Legislature determines the punishments available for a crime. The courts merely choose from those, they do not decide the punishments themselves.
d) Collecting money from religious population and using it to spread the influence and corruption will be prohibited.
e) Monks, preachers, priests cannot have second job. They must be devoted to the church. Government must pay all of church's expenses, this way church will be dependent on government. This is a bit of a contradiction of the resolution as a whole (in that government funds are being used to support the Church. I'd advise against, but it might be somewhat salvageable.

4.) Using police force
a) Possible corrupted, bribed or religious policemen must be relived from his duties. There may be a better way to phrase this, but I like the idea, even if it does invite the question of why not simply have *all* corrupt officers, regardless of beliefs or lack thereof, relieved of their duties.
b) Government must start monthly checking each house inspect population if they are zealots. Zealot families will be seized and put on the trial. Define zealots (preferably in the preamble), and reword in a way that doesn't stomp all over their freedom of religion.

Soo, I have proposed it yet, I just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

[OOC: A better idea than the last proposal, but this one is still sorely in need of work. I would say it *could* work if you could do it in a way that isn't an ideological ban and doesn't fly in the face of freedom of religion. I'd also recommend working on this from a laptop or desktop (your local library ought to have some that you can use for free).]

Tham you I will consider your editing. I haven't proposed this one yet. It is
just an idea for now. I wanna improve it so more people will vote for it.

[Dawn Kingdom]

I have chamged it a lot, now proposal is less bloggish. More to the point. I don't think that I am breaking any previous resolutions either.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

I have chamged it a lot, now proposal is less bloggish. More to the point. I don't think that I am breaking any previous resolutions either.

There are still some things that are open to interpretation and needs defining. It can still violate free speech and religion.

[Dawn Kingdom]

I said that many times and I will repeat it again. I am not going to put this ideas as a proposal yet, until I am 100% assure that i am not violating anything.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

Okay, sorry I am going to withhold now.

[Dawn Kingdom]

I have chamged it a lot, now proposal is less bloggish. More to the point. I don't think that I am breaking any previous resolutions either.

There are still some things that are open to interpretation and needs defining. It can still violate free speech and religion.

Can you please tell me where exactly am I breaking laws and how should i change those paragraphs? thank you for the comment....

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

There are still some things that are open to interpretation and needs defining. It can still violate free speech and religion.

Can you please tell me where exactly am I breaking laws and how should i change those paragraphs? thank you for the comment....

b) Various zealous sects will be disbanded and outlawed. Their HQ will be deatroyed.
As far as i know, it violates freedom of religion unless it has a compelling reason that it is against the public health, safety or good order. I know you mentioned that zealous means fanatic but I would like to know what that means further.
c) Religious representatives must not mock goverment's legislations, such as marrige equality, polygamy, adultery, because "it is against the will of god".
This violates protecting free expression.

"free expression" as the ability to outwardly demonstrate, articulate, or otherwise express a political, cultural, social, moral, religious, ideological or other belief without fear of state punishment or reprisal,

Personally im socially conservative, and I think having multiple wives is ridiculous and that gay people should not marry. But if I were to be a representative and were to express it, and I were to be criminalize as said by this proposal, it would violate protecting free expression.

[Filifinas]

2.) Forcing strict laws on the church.
a) Representatives of church must publicly approve all of goverment's legislations.
b) Various zealous sects will be disbanded and outlawed. Their HQ will be deatroyed.
c) Religious representatives must not mock goverment's legislations, such as marrige equality, polygamy, adultery, because "it is against the will of god".
d) Embazzling money from citizens in religious means will be prohibited.
e) Goverment will manage church's funds and expenses, by that faith will be solely dependent of the goverment.

3.) Using police force
a) Possible corrupted, bribed or fanatic policemen must be relived from his duties.
b) Goverment must start monthly checking each house inspect population if they are fanatics, and take extreme measures.

OOC: The title "separation of church and state" conflicts these statements. And why we should force strict laws against church? It is against morals and human rights. If you want to make a proposal about the separation of the two, focus on the separation matters, not on the strict regulations in favor of the State.