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Postby Federal Syndicalist States » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:49 am

From a Dutch news source, through Google Translate (I'm Dutch, I will translate it into proper English);

Minister Stef Blok (Foreign Affairs) made statements in a private meeting about ethnicity and multicultural societies. For example, the VVD minister said that he does not know a peaceful multicultural society and that it is genetically determined that man does not bind himself to "unknown people".

"Give me an example of a multi-ethnic or multicultural society, where the original population still lives (....) and where there is [a]peace[ful society], I do not know one", he said last Tuesday during a meeting with Dutch people who work for international organizations.

Blok talked to them about xenophobia, among other things. The recordings are in the hands of Zembla (Dutch news organization).

According to the minister, every society knows the boundaries when it comes to including migrants. He calls it "very nice" to have a Turkish baker around the corner, but adds that you can get "some side effects". "If you live in the middle of it, you will suffer enormously," according to Blok.

Blok then draws the conclusion that it is genetically determined that groups of people can not get along with each other.

"Probably somewhere deep in our genes is that we want to have a well-organized group to hunt along or to maintain a village and that we are not able to connect with people unknown to us."

If one of those present in the hall notes that Suriname is an example of a peaceful multicultural society, Blok responds with the comment that Suriname is a failed state, partly because the political parties in the country are divided along ethnic lines.

Singapore is not a good example, according to Blok. "Singapore is indeed a mini-island, extremely selective in its migration. (...) They do not allow poor migrants, yes, possibly for cleaning."

SP Member of Parliament Sadet Karabulut finds Blok's statements unworthy for a Minister of Foreign Affairs. "This minister seriously does not go beyond that xenophobia is in the nature of people? That we can not live together and therefore a better world is impossible?" Karabulut demands that the minister take back his words.

PvdA member Lilianne Ploumen calls the remarks "very unprofessional". "I have been living in Amsterdam Nieuw-West for twenty years, where different people from different origins are making the best of each other, and if there are problems, we discuss them."

In the parliamentary questions she [Ploumen] has submitted, she [Ploumen] wants to know whether the statements regarding Suriname and Singapore are government policy.

Blok has told Zembla in a reaction that his statements in the public debate can ''fall in the wrong direction'' (hard to translate, something like implying it gets ripped out of context but at the same time he feels guilty.)


I think this is very damaging for his imago and that he'll be either forced to make public apologies or to resign. This isn't the first fiasco for the VVD (liberal-conservative) party, a former FM lied about the MH17 affair and another minister for defense was responsible for a faulty mortar that killed two Dutch servicemen in Mali.

I also believe this will hurt the VVD image. What does NSG think? What would you do if your FM said this, and you were PM? I'd force him to make public apologies.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:54 am

Poor Belgium, overlooked by its neighbour.

Again.
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Postby Kustonia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:54 am

Federal Syndicalist States wrote:From a Dutch news source, through Google Translate (I'm Dutch, I will translate it into proper English);

Minister Stef Blok (Foreign Affairs) made statements in a private meeting about ethnicity and multicultural societies. For example, the VVD minister said that he does not know a peaceful multicultural society and that it is genetically determined that man does not bind himself to "unknown people".

"Call me an example of a multi-ethnic or multicultural society, where the original population still lives (....) and where there is a peaceful society, I do not know him", he said last Tuesday during a meeting with Dutch people who working for international organizations.

Blok talked to them about xenophobia, among other things. The images are in the hands of current affairs Zembla.
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According to the minister, every society knows the boundaries when it comes to including migrants. He calls it "very nice" to have a Turkish baker around the corner, but adds that you can get "some side effects". "If you live in the middle of it, you will suffer enormously," according to Blok.

Blok then draws the conclusion that it is genetically determined that groups of people can not get along with each other.

"Probably somewhere deep in our genes is that we want to have a well-organized group to hunt along or to maintain a village and that we are not able to connect with people unknown to us."

Suriname

If one of those present in the hall notes that Suriname is an example of a peaceful multicultural society, Blok responds with the comment that Suriname is a failed state, partly because the political parties in the country are divided along ethnic lines.

Singapore is not a good example, according to Blok. "Singapore is indeed a mini-island, extremely selective in its migration. (...) They do not allow poor migrants, yes, possibly for cleaning."
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SP Member of Parliament Sadet Karabulut finds Blok's statements unworthy of a Minister of Foreign Affairs. "This minister seriously does not go beyond that strangeness of terror is in the nature of people? That we can not live together and therefore a better world is impossible?" Karabulut demands that the minister take back his words.

PvdA member Lilianne Ploumen calls the remarks "very unprofessional". "I have been living in Amsterdam Nieuw-West for twenty years, where different people from different origins are making the best of each other, and if there are problems, you have to discuss them."

In the parliamentary questions she has submitted, she wants to know whether the statements regarding Suriname and Singapore are government policy.

Blok has told Zembla in a reaction that his statements in the public debate can turn "unhappy".


I think this is very damaging for his imago and that he'll be either forced to make public apologies or to resign. This isn't the first fiasco for the VVD (liberal-conservative) party, a former FM lied about the MH17 affair and another minister for defense was responsible for a faulty mortar that killed two Dutch servicemen in Mali.

I also believe this will hurt the VVD image. What does NSG think? What would you do if your FM said this, and you were PM? I'd force him to make public apologies.


I agree with Blok's statements. I think he is very wise and courageous for saying the truth about human nature. Multicultural societies always fail, and they never provide the needs for the total population. The native population is despised and terrorized while their homelands are conquered. Multiculturalism is racist and despicable in totality.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:55 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:Poor Belgium, overlooked by its neighbour.

Again.

They managed to beat England in the World Cup, that's something that can't be overlooked though.
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Postby Federal Syndicalist States » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:56 am

Kustonia wrote:
Federal Syndicalist States wrote:From a Dutch news source, through Google Translate (I'm Dutch, I will translate it into proper English);



I think this is very damaging for his imago and that he'll be either forced to make public apologies or to resign. This isn't the first fiasco for the VVD (liberal-conservative) party, a former FM lied about the MH17 affair and another minister for defense was responsible for a faulty mortar that killed two Dutch servicemen in Mali.

I also believe this will hurt the VVD image. What does NSG think? What would you do if your FM said this, and you were PM? I'd force him to make public apologies.


I agree with Blok's statements. I think he is very wise and courageous for saying the truth about human nature. Multicultural societies always fail, and they never provide the needs for the total population. The native population is despised and terrorized while their homelands dies away with them.

I mean, yeah. Look at Russia, Iran, Algeria and enough other countries with mixed populations.
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Kustonia wrote:
Federal Syndicalist States wrote:From a Dutch news source, through Google Translate (I'm Dutch, I will translate it into proper English);



I think this is very damaging for his imago and that he'll be either forced to make public apologies or to resign. This isn't the first fiasco for the VVD (liberal-conservative) party, a former FM lied about the MH17 affair and another minister for defense was responsible for a faulty mortar that killed two Dutch servicemen in Mali.

I also believe this will hurt the VVD image. What does NSG think? What would you do if your FM said this, and you were PM? I'd force him to make public apologies.


I agree with Blok's statements. I think he is very wise and courageous for saying the truth about human nature. Multicultural societies always fail, and they never provide the needs for the total population. The native population is despised and terrorized while their homelands dies away with them.

Name one total ethno state that managed to survive for a long time.
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Postby Kustonia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:59 am

The South Falls wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
I agree with Blok's statements. I think he is very wise and courageous for saying the truth about human nature. Multicultural societies always fail, and they never provide the needs for the total population. The native population is despised and terrorized while their homelands dies away with them.

Name one total ethno state that managed to survive for a long time.


Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:00 am

Kustonia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Name one total ethno state that managed to survive for a long time.


Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.

what

I fucking know the answer thats coming, but yet i still fucking ask
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:01 am

Kustonia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Name one total ethno state that managed to survive for a long time.


Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.

Germany was never at ethno state though. And, they were never peaceful. And anyway, just because something is natural, I don't have to value it over other things. Death is natural.
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Postby Kustonia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:02 am

Federal Syndicalist States wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
I agree with Blok's statements. I think he is very wise and courageous for saying the truth about human nature. Multicultural societies always fail, and they never provide the needs for the total population. The native population is despised and terrorized while their homelands dies away with them.

I mean, yeah. Look at Russia, Iran, Algeria and enough other countries with mixed populations.


But those countries have suffered tremendous division. You can't expect people to be the same when they are inherently different.
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Postby Kustonia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:04 am

The South Falls wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.

Germany was never at ethno state though. And, they were never peaceful. And anyway, just because something is natural, I don't have to value it over other things. Death is natural.


Yes they were, search the barbarian tribes that lived in the area, before the Romans tried to conquer them.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.

what

I fucking know the answer thats coming, but yet i still fucking ask


Races are different. Are you thoroughly offended now?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:07 am

Kustonia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:what

I fucking know the answer thats coming, but yet i still fucking ask


Races are different. Are you thoroughly offended now?

No i want your answer for the jewish overpopulation thing
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:10 am

Kustonia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Germany was never at ethno state though. And, they were never peaceful. And anyway, just because something is natural, I don't have to value it over other things. Death is natural.


Yes they were, search the barbarian tribes that lived in the area, before the Romans tried to conquer them.

Quite a time. But that wasn't Germany. They weren't peaceful.
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The blAAtschApen wrote:Poor Belgium, overlooked by its neighbour.

Again.

They managed to beat England in the World Cup, that's something that can't be overlooked though.


I was actually referring to the fact that the Flemish and Wallonians have been living together quite peacefully for decades now.
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The blAAtschApen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:They managed to beat England in the World Cup, that's something that can't be overlooked though.


I was actually referring to the fact that the Flemish and Wallonians have been living together quite peacefully for decades now.

Something something same culture I bet
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The blAAtschApen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:They managed to beat England in the World Cup, that's something that can't be overlooked though.


I was actually referring to the fact that the Flemish and Wallonians have been living together quite peacefully for decades now.

I remember when they said the Flemes would declare independence.
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Kustonia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Name one total ethno state that managed to survive for a long time.


Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.


Jews have never overpopulated Germany.

Also, even minister Blok will not defend that statement.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:15 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.


Jews have never overpopulated Germany.

Also, even minister Blok will not defend that statement.

When that happens, you know it's hard to defend. Also, Jews were actually a small part of Germany.
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The South Falls wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Jews have never overpopulated Germany.

Also, even minister Blok will not defend that statement.

When that happens, you know it's hard to defend. Also, Jews were actually a small part of Germany.

something something jews control the strings layers within layers something something globalism
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:16 am

Alvecia wrote:
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I was actually referring to the fact that the Flemish and Wallonians have been living together quite peacefully for decades now.

Something something same culture I bet

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Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Something something same culture I bet

Everyone knows that all Europeans are the same.

That’s why historically we’ve gotten along so well
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Postby Frievolk » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:20 am

Just another act in the theater of European Reactionarism. I'm not surprised that the Dutch PM spewed cancerous bullshit like that, but I don't really think much will change. He may be forced to write an official apology or resign, but that's looking at it really optimistically. He'll probably face no threat for that bullshit and go on doing what he's been doing.
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Frievolk wrote:Just another act in the theater of European Reactionarism. I'm not surprised that the Dutch PM spewed cancerous bullshit like that, but I don't really think much will change. He may be forced to write an official apology or resign, but that's looking at it really optimistically. He'll probably face no threat for that bullshit and go on doing what he's been doing.


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Postby Federal Syndicalist States » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:21 am

Kustonia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Name one total ethno state that managed to survive for a long time.


Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.

0,5% of the population is now overpopulation? Got it.
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