Should women be drafted into the military?

[Andsed]

Okay so if you don't know here in the US we have something called the selective service acts. It states that men must sign up for the draft and if they don't they will not be eligible for federal student aid, federal job training, a federal job, or U.S. citizenship. They can even be prosecuted. If you want more details here:
https://www.usa.gov/selective-service
https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register Now only men must sign up for the draft and there has been some talk about women being forced to also sign up for the draft. Now the argument against this is that women are weaker then men so they should not be forced to serve because they may be a liability and they are important to birthing and raising kids. I am torn on this. On one hand I do think that is is dumb that men have to join the draft and if they don't they will be punished but women don't. But on the on the other hand it is true that biologically women are weaker then men and they are important to raising kids though men are also very important to raising kids. So what do you all think?

[United Muscovite Nations]

No. The draft is for if we get involved in a major war with lots of casualties, in which case it's important that women aren't killed because a population has a much harder time bouncing back from the death of large numbers of women than of men.

[Andsed]

No. The draft is for if we get involved in a major war with lots of casualties, in which case it's important that women aren't killed because a population has a much harder time bouncing back from the death of large numbers of women than of men.

Yes but it does seem unfair men have to sign up for the draft and can be punished if they don't but women don't have to. Granted this could be fixed if we abolished the draft.

[United Muscovite Nations]

No. The draft is for if we get involved in a major war with lots of casualties, in which case it's important that women aren't killed because a population has a much harder time bouncing back from the death of large numbers of women than of men.

Yes but it does seem unfair men have to sign up for the draft and can be punished if they don't but women don't have to. Granted this could be fixed if we abolished the draft.

It's not about fairness, but about the survival of the country in difficult times. If it were fair, we wouldn't have the draft in the first place.

[Andsed]

Yes but it does seem unfair men have to sign up for the draft and can be punished if they don't but women don't have to. Granted this could be fixed if we abolished the draft.

It's not about fairness, but about the survival of the country in difficult times. If it were fair, we wouldn't have the draft in the first place.

Okay but men are also needed for children to be born. I see your point but both men and women are needed to make a kid so why should men be forced to go to war and not women. Though I do agree the draft should be abolished during peace times like this.

[Ifreann]

No one should be drafted.

[Andsed]

No one should be drafted.

Yeah I do think the draft should be abolished during peace times. During say WW3(Though I doubt that is coming anytime soon) I think people should be drafted.

[Russo-Austria]

The draft is a very sexist thing. The very concept of the draft is bad, but the idea that men are either less valuable and thus more disposable than women - or are stronger and thus women aren’t as nessesary if also cruel. And the fact women can’t be drafted yet men mpcan be punished is awful.

[Russo-Austria]

It's not about fairness, but about the survival of the country in difficult times. If it were fair, we wouldn't have the draft in the first place.

Okay but men are also needed for children to be born. I see your point but both men and women are needed to make a kid so why should men be forced to go to war and not women. Though I do agree the draft should be abolished during peace times like this.

One could argue sperm banks, but yeah. The draft is just sexist. And not enough women would want to get artificially impregnated so the argument it’s for the population is void.

[Firaxin]

The draft should apply to women too, but not signing up for the draft should not have as severe consequences as it has right now. Those who are called upon but unwilling to fight should be given priority in non-combat roles.

[Nocturnalis]

It's not about fairness, but about the survival of the country in difficult times. If it were fair, we wouldn't have the draft in the first place.

Okay but men are also needed for children to be born. I see your point but both men and women are needed to make a kid so why should men be forced to go to war and not women. Though I do agree the draft should be abolished during peace times like this.

The amount of children a society is capable of putting out is a direct consequence of the amount of fertile women in that society. It isn't optimal over more than a couple of generations, but one man can impregnate dozens of women. The reverse (one woman being impregnated by multiple men), barring some very rare and bizarre circumstances, doesn't tend to happen.

On the other hand, equality. It is only fair and equal for women to also be part of the draft if there is one.

It's a toss-up for me.

[Andsed]

The draft is a very sexist thing. The very concept of the draft is bad, but the idea that men are either less valuable and thus more disposable than women - or are stronger and thus women aren’t as nessesary if also cruel. And the fact women can’t be drafted yet men mpcan be punished is awful.

Yes but biologically women do seem to be on average women are weaker then men.(Note I am NOT saying women cannot be as strong as men only that on average due to biology.) So they could be a liability say if they got captured they could be used to demoralize the soldiers.

The draft should apply to women too, but not signing up for the draft should not have as severe consequences as it has right now. Those who are called upon but unwilling to fight should be given priority in non-combat roles.

Agreed.

Okay but men are also needed for children to be born. I see your point but both men and women are needed to make a kid so why should men be forced to go to war and not women. Though I do agree the draft should be abolished during peace times like this.

The amount of children a society is capable of putting out is a direct consequence of the amount of fertile women in that society. It isn't optimal over more than a couple of generations, but one man can impregnate dozens of women. The reverse (one woman being impregnated by multiple men), barring some very rare, bizarre circumstances, doesn't tend to happen.

On the other hand, equality. It is only fair and equal for women to also be part of the draft if there is one.

It's a toss-up for me.

Yeah but a good solution could be to abolish the draft during peacetime like right now.

[Japan and Pacific States]

Women should indeed be drafted into the military however standards should not be shirked or lowered to accommodate them. After all this is the military we're speaking of, an army, air force, navy, or marine force is a team, troops in combat rely heavily on each other, if one isn't up to par with the rest then that could severely hinder combat effectiveness. For those that don't cut it then well... There's always rear line duties. Like quartermaster, logistics, the out of the way jobs that because you aren't up to par and just can't hack it, you won't get your buddies killed for jobs.

Otherwise as I said, my opinion is a resounding yes with the above taken into consideration of course.

[Vergiss]

Yes, equal rights, equal fights. The military has ( ive been enlisted since 2012 USMC) always been trying to push for more women in and has also lowered standards to gain and retain more females. If they make the draft for both sexes I feel it would eliminate that. I may be wrong and I probably am, but I am sick of seeing the standards being lowered over and over for the pure sake of having females in positions for which they aren't qualified. If they draft them, they wouldn't be hurting for numbers and would instead focus on training them adequately instead of tailoring to them.

[Ifreann]

No one should be drafted.

Yeah I do think the draft should be abolished during peace times. During say WW3(Though I doubt that is coming anytime soon) I think people should be drafted.

You don't need to throw bodies at the enemy in a nuclear exchange.

[The Liberated Territories]

Women should be allowed to join the military if they can achieve the same tests as men. However, I believe the draft itself must be abolished entirely.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The draft is a very sexist thing. The very concept of the draft is bad, but the idea that men are either less valuable and thus more disposable than women - or are stronger and thus women aren’t as nessesary if also cruel. And the fact women can’t be drafted yet men mpcan be punished is awful.

Yes but biologically women do seem to be on average women are weaker then men.(Note I am NOT saying women cannot be as strong as men only that on average due to biology.) So they could be a liability say if they got captured they could be used to demoralize the soldiers.

The draft should apply to women too, but not signing up for the draft should not have as severe consequences as it has right now. Those who are called upon but unwilling to fight should be given priority in non-combat roles.

Agreed.

The amount of children a society is capable of putting out is a direct consequence of the amount of fertile women in that society. It isn't optimal over more than a couple of generations, but one man can impregnate dozens of women. The reverse (one woman being impregnated by multiple men), barring some very rare, bizarre circumstances, doesn't tend to happen.

On the other hand, equality. It is only fair and equal for women to also be part of the draft if there is one.

It's a toss-up for me.

Yeah but a good solution could be to abolish the draft during peacetime like right now.

The draft is abolished during peacetime.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Also, as I've noted in previous threads about this topic, the draft can't be completely abolished without a constitutional amendment, so we shouldn't treat it as a trifling thing.

[Uxupox]

nobody should be drafted bubba.

[Andsed]

Also, as I've noted in previous threads about this topic, the draft can't be completely abolished without a constitutional amendment, so we shouldn't treat it as a trifling thing.

Yes but biologically women do seem to be on average women are weaker then men.(Note I am NOT saying women cannot be as strong as men only that on average due to biology.) So they could be a liability say if they got captured they could be used to demoralize the soldiers.


Agreed.


Yeah but a good solution could be to abolish the draft during peacetime like right now.

The draft is abolished during peacetime.

What I mean is things like the selective service act where your forced to sing up for a draft during war and if you don't you will be punished should be abolished. And about the the constitutional amendment well good point.

[Andsed]

Edit: for some reason the post above was posted twice so ignore this.

[Ifreann]

The draft is a very sexist thing. The very concept of the draft is bad, but the idea that men are either less valuable and thus more disposable than women - or are stronger and thus women aren’t as nessesary if also cruel. And the fact women can’t be drafted yet men mpcan be punished is awful.

Yes but biologically women do seem to be on average women are weaker then men.(Note I am NOT saying women cannot be as strong as men only that on average due to biology.) So they could be a liability say if they got captured they could be used to demoralize the soldiers.

The draft should apply to women too, but not signing up for the draft should not have as severe consequences as it has right now. Those who are called upon but unwilling to fight should be given priority in non-combat roles.

Agreed.

The amount of children a society is capable of putting out is a direct consequence of the amount of fertile women in that society. It isn't optimal over more than a couple of generations, but one man can impregnate dozens of women. The reverse (one woman being impregnated by multiple men), barring some very rare, bizarre circumstances, doesn't tend to happen.

On the other hand, equality. It is only fair and equal for women to also be part of the draft if there is one.

It's a toss-up for me.

Yeah but a good solution could be to abolish the draft during peacetime like right now.

The Selective Service System exists so that if a draft is enacted the government has a big list of people to randomly choose from. Abolish that during peacetime then when war breaks out you won't be able to draft people, because you won't know who is available to draft.

Which is fine by me, but if you think that the government should retain the option to draft people then you should want to retain the SSS.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Also, as I've noted in previous threads about this topic, the draft can't be completely abolished without a constitutional amendment, so we shouldn't treat it as a trifling thing.

The draft is abolished during peacetime.

What I mean is things like the selective service act where your forced to sing up for a draft during war and if you don't you will be punished should be abolished. And about the the constitutional amendment well good point.

If you abolished the selective service, how would you enforce the draft in wartime?

[Andsed]

Yes but biologically women do seem to be on average women are weaker then men.(Note I am NOT saying women cannot be as strong as men only that on average due to biology.) So they could be a liability say if they got captured they could be used to demoralize the soldiers.


Agreed.


Yeah but a good solution could be to abolish the draft during peacetime like right now.

The Selective Service System exists so that if a draft is enacted the government has a big list of people to randomly choose from. Abolish that during peacetime then when war breaks out you won't be able to draft people, because you won't know who is available to draft.

Which is fine by me, but if you think that the government should retain the option to draft people then you should want to retain the SSS.

Well I think the list part could be kept. But the whole being punished for not doing it should be abolished.

[Uxupox]

What I mean is things like the selective service act where your forced to sing up for a draft during war and if you don't you will be punished should be abolished. And about the the constitutional amendment well good point.

If you abolished the selective service, how would you enforce the draft in wartime?

technically you could just use their SSN to track somebody and use them for service.