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[DRAFT] Gambling Hubs Act

Postby LimpBizkit » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Gambling Hubs Act
Gambling/Legalize
Noting that a right to gamble freely is not recognized internationally

Keeping in mind that some societies are more conservative regarding gambling than others.

Suggesting that "gambling hubs" be built at least one per World Assembly nation, mandated by the General Assembly with advisory from said nation's government.

Allowing nations to sentinel, design and profit off of said hubs, if they so desire.

Indicating that hubs will be almost like buffer zones in that they will technically belong to the WA, but are differentiated in that they will be overseen by their home nation.

Hoping that the international community will come to embrace these hubs, and if not come to tolerate them.


Now my first concern is; Is this legal and if not how can I make it legal?
also some critique would be nice :]
please keep in mind this has been a larger effort on my part because all my other proposals have been regarding making Snoop Dogg president of the world and giving children free drugs.
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Postby Likar » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:08 pm

LimpBizkit wrote:Gambling Hubs Act
Gambling/Legalize
Noting that a right to gamble freely is not recognized internationally

Keeping in mind that some societies are more conservative regarding gambling than others.

Suggesting that "gambling hubs" be built at least one per World Assembly nation, mandated by the General Assembly with advisory from said nation's government.

Allowing nations to sentinel, design and profit off of said hubs, if they so desire.

Indicating that hubs will be almost like buffer zones in that they will technically belong to the WA, but are differentiated in that they will be overseen by their home nation.

Hoping that the international community will come to embrace these hubs, and if not come to tolerate them.


Now my first concern is; Is this legal and if not how can I make it legal?
also some critique would be nice :]
please keep in mind this has been a larger effort on my part because all my other proposals have been regarding making Snoop Dogg president of the world and giving children free drugs.

"This forces WA nations to build gambling huts, which our nation stands neutral on. We recommend that you make it less strict.
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Postby Essu Beti » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:12 pm

"The nation of Essu Beti will never allow state-run gambling dens. We are against the very concept of this act," says Inan. "Why did you even think this was something worth mandating?"
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:20 pm

LimpBizkit wrote:Suggesting that "gambling hubs" be built at least one per World Assembly nation, mandated by the General Assembly with advisory from said nation's government.

Hmmm... now, this is interesting. How can the WA mandate the conditions of (what they explicitly describe as) a "suggestion," which more usually indicates voluntary action by member states? Or was this bad wording on your part?

The Delegate-Ambassador and Assistant concur AGAINST this proposal, on grounds of national sovereignty and "mandated immorality" respectively.
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Postby LimpBizkit » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:26 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
LimpBizkit wrote:Suggesting that "gambling hubs" be built at least one per World Assembly nation, mandated by the General Assembly with advisory from said nation's government.

Hmmm... now, this is interesting. How can the WA mandate the conditions of (what they explicitly describe as) a "suggestion," which more usually indicates voluntary action by member states? Or was this bad wording on your part?

The Delegate-Ambassador and Assistant concur AGAINST this proposal, on grounds of national sovereignty and "mandated immorality" respectively.

In hindsight, this was bad wording by me. I'll definitely end up doing a much clearer second draft at some point.
Essu Beti wrote:"The nation of Essu Beti will never allow state-run gambling dens. We are against the very concept of this act," says Inan. "Why did you even think this was something worth mandating?"

OOC: Thanks for your reply. To try and persuade you, I'm going to try and repeat some statements that may not have been made especially clear in the proposal. First of all, the hubs will not be state-run, they will be run and maintained by the WA. I understand that alone probably will not win you over, so let me give you this point. Advisory from the home nations will be very important in differentiating each hub, and advice can be as conservative or as liberal as the regime is. If you really want, yours can just be a center to bet a buck on a game of go-fish, or it can be a full-blown casino. I hope this has made you reconsider, and if not please tell me how you believe this can be fixed to appeal to you if you believe it can be.
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Postby Essu Beti » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:42 pm

((OOC: Even though you marked it OOC, I will answer as though that was addressed to my ambassador, not me the player, since it was her who made the statement you're responding to))

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Inan shook her head. "No, it does not. Even if it is not state run, it is still state supported. We will not actively support an activity that causes the destitute to throw what little money they have into a void in a fruitless attempt to crawl out of poverty. Please tell us why you think the horrors of pathological gambling are worth propping up?"
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The Ambassador of Essu Beti is Iksana Gayan and he's an elf. He's irritable and a bit of a troll and it's been suggested that he's only the ambassador to keep him out of Essu Beti.

Everything I say in the WA is IC unless otherwise specified. Iksana is a tactless jerk and I would never say the same things he does to someone IRL.

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Postby LimpBizkit » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:05 pm

Essu Beti wrote:((OOC: Even though you marked it OOC, I will answer as though that was addressed to my ambassador, not me the player, since it was her who made the statement you're responding to))

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Inan shook her head. "No, it does not. Even if it is not state run, it is still state supported. We will not actively support an activity that causes the destitute to throw what little money they have into a void in a fruitless attempt to crawl out of poverty. Please tell us why you think the horrors of pathological gambling are worth propping up?"

OOC: (i dont really have a character :P)

Please note that WA-mandated, State-supported gambling is a much better option than the desperate turning to illegal gambling operations. If they pursue unofficial, unregulated means, they are clearly doing something very illegal, and in addition, they may never see their money again. Whereas gambling hubs' revenue stream goes back to either the nation or the WA, in which it will trickle back to the people/international community as if it were tax money.
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Postby Kiravian WA Mission » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:40 am

Ambassador Lennan read over the index card that his staff had written telling him what to say to the General Assembly on this matter: "blah, blah, blah overreach....blah, blah, blah self-aggrandisement...blah, blah, blah national sovereignty..." It was more or less the usual spiel. Condemn the resolution, condemn the WA, call upon like-minded nations to conspicuously not comply with its terms. But unlike most resolutions, this one actually involved some subject matter where Lennan knew a great deal more than his staff, so he decided to dispense with the script and make his own statement.

"As a devoted gambler myself and a friend to gamblers everywhere, the expansion of the freedom to gamble worldwide is a worthy goal in my eyes. Perhaps this resolution could benefit from some revisions to give it a fighting chance at passage? Just looking over what you have here so far, might I suggest a few?

"With regard to the third and fifth clauses, I don't see why it is necessary for new gambling hubs to be built in every nation, nor for these hubs to "technically belong to the WA". A great many nations where gambling is generally outlawed or heavily restricted have certain cities, indigenous territories, or other designated zones where gambling is permitted, and these existing gambling areas could satisfy the resolution's requirement that each WA nation have somewhere for its people to gamble without incurring the expense of establishing new gambling hubs. Further, the provision that the gambling hubs "technically belong to the WA" might be seen by many nations as an encroachment upon their territorial integrity by the WA, and invite opposition to this resolution from nations that might otherwise be amenable to it."

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:54 am

Likar wrote:
LimpBizkit wrote:Gambling Hubs Act
Gambling/Legalize
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Now my first concern is; Is this legal and if not how can I make it legal?
also some critique would be nice :]
please keep in mind this has been a larger effort on my part because all my other proposals have been regarding making Snoop Dogg president of the world and giving children free drugs.

"This forces WA nations to build gambling huts, which our nation stands neutral on. We recommend that you make it less strict.”
“I’m not certain that it does, given there is only ‘Suggesting’ that this occurs. Perhaps the LimpBizkit delegation could confirm whether this is intended.”
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:55 am

Indicating that hubs will be almost like buffer zones in that they will technically belong to the WA, but are differentiated in that they will be overseen by their home nation.

There is no way in hell we will ever support turning over national territory to the WA. Ever.
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Postby Essu Beti » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:05 pm

LimpBizkit wrote:OOC: (i dont really have a character :P)

Please note that WA-mandated, State-supported gambling is a much better option than the desperate turning to illegal gambling operations. If they pursue unofficial, unregulated means, they are clearly doing something very illegal, and in addition, they may never see their money again. Whereas gambling hubs' revenue stream goes back to either the nation or the WA, in which it will trickle back to the people/international community as if it were tax money.


“So your argument is that this should be done, because people will do it no matter what?” asks Inan, after a few seconds of mental rehearsing. “Imagine taking that to its logical conclusion: WA-run brothels. WA-run opium dens. WA-run cockfighting rings. No, we do not think this is a good reason at all.”
Parent: Naqil Puppet: This City of Ours. Trust Factbooks, not stats.

The Ambassador of Essu Beti is Iksana Gayan and he's an elf. He's irritable and a bit of a troll and it's been suggested that he's only the ambassador to keep him out of Essu Beti.

Everything I say in the WA is IC unless otherwise specified. Iksana is a tactless jerk and I would never say the same things he does to someone IRL.

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:53 pm

“The lack of a preamble, or at least one differentiated in some sense from the active clauses, it is hard to see why this is necessary. I can currently see two preambulatory clauses, adding more to explain your reason could be helpful.”

Now my first concern is; Is this legal and if not how can I make it legal?
(OOC: Also, this appears to be legal at the moment.)
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This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts our democracy
However we do have a WA mission and often participate in drafting
Current ambassador: James Lewitt

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:08 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Now my first concern is; Is this legal and if not how can I make it legal?
(OOC: Also, this appears to be legal at the moment.)

OOC: Which does not mean that it's a good idea or ready for submission.

Although I would still challenge the legality in that the clauses don't look like active clauses, they read more like preamble.

Also, just noticed, illegal for breaking the Category Rule; does nothing to legalize gambling.
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:20 am

(OOC:
Araraukar wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Also, this appears to be legal at the moment.)

OOC: Which does not mean that it's a good idea or ready for submission.

Agreed,

Although I would still challenge the legality in that the clauses don't look like active clauses, they read more like preamble.
Although the formatting is nonstandard, the "Suggesting" clause looks active, albeit optional.

Also, just noticed, illegal for breaking the Category Rule; does nothing to legalize gambling.
I hadn't thought of this. On one hand, this would allow citizens of member states gamble in these hubs, however the territory is no longer the nation's, so I suppose the member state isn't actually legalising gambling.)
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Currently centre-right on economy but centre-left on social issues
Located in Europe and border France to the right and Spain below
NS stats and policies are not canon, use the factbooks
Not in the WA despite coincidentally following all resolutions
This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts our democracy
However we do have a WA mission and often participate in drafting
Current ambassador: James Lewitt

For more information, read the factbooks here.

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:19 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC:
Araraukar wrote:Also, just noticed, illegal for breaking the Category Rule; does nothing to legalize gambling.
I hadn't thought of this. On one hand, this would allow citizens of member states gamble in these hubs, however the territory is no longer the nation's, so I suppose the member state isn't actually legalising gambling.)

OOC: Not just that, but "gambling hub" doesn't actually mean anything without definitions. You could build a pizza place called Gambling Hub and you'd be compliant with the proposal as it currently stands.

Also, I'd put the "suggesting" in the same category of wording as "should", which means it's just wishful thinking and doesn't actually do anything.
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