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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:21 am

From the NY Times: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-purges-supreme-court-and-protesters-take-to-streets/ar-AAzxZBi?li=BBnbfcL

WARSAW — Poland’s government carried out a sweeping purge of the Supreme Court on Tuesday night, eroding the judiciary’s independence, escalating a confrontation with the European Union over the rule of law and further dividing this nation. Tens of thousands took to the streets in protest.

Poland was once a beacon for countries struggling to escape the yoke of the Soviet Union and embrace Western democracy. But it is now in league with neighboring nations, like Hungary, whose leaders have turned to authoritarian means to tighten their grip on power, presenting a grave challenge to a European Union already grappling with nationalist, populist and anti-immigrant movements.

The forced retirements of up to 27 of 72 Supreme Court justices, including the top judge, and the creation of a judicial disciplinary chamber were the latest in a series of steps by Poland’s right-wing Law and Justice Party to take over the justice system.

For years, the party has demonized judges as unreconstructed Communists and obstructionists. After coming to power in 2015, it took control of the Constitutional Tribunal, which is tasked with ensuring that laws do not violate the Constitution, and gave authority over the country’s prosecutors to the Ministry of Justice. Most recently, it asserted new powers to select judges. In recent days, judges who have spoken out against the changes have reported being harassed and intimidated.

Each move has been greeted with international condemnation and angry demonstrations.

Hours before the purge took effect at midnight, Poles again took to the streets in more than 60 cities and towns around the country. As the sun set in Warsaw, crowds gathered in front of a memorial dedicated to those who died in the city’s 1944 uprising against Nazi Germany, chanting an old but familiar refrain: “Solidarnosc.”

But now, calls for solidarity were not directed at an occupying force — or at Communist rule, which the labor-backed Solidarity movement brought down in 1989 — but at a democratically elected government, albeit one the demonstrators fear is undermining the system they fought so hard to build.

“We are here because of the destruction of the judiciary in Poland,” said Kamila Wrzesinska, who stood amid a sea of Polish and European Union flags. Organizers passed out placards with one word: “Constitution.”

In an interview just days ago, the leader of the Supreme Court, Malgorzata Gersdorf, expressed deep concern about her country’s direction.

“I don’t want to say that I am terrified,” she said, “but without a doubt this is not a direction I would like to go in, nor support, as I think it destroys what has been built over the last 25 years.”

The new law passed by Parliament requires that judges retire when they turn 65 unless they appeal to the country’s president, Andrzej Duda, who has sole discretion over whether they can remain.

Justice Gersdorf, who is 65, and more than a dozen others have refused to make such appeals, saying that the law itself was unconstitutional. Their supporters say the law was aimed at certain judges and had little to do with age, an argument that was bolstered when the government named Justice Gersdorf’s replacement: the 66-year-old judge Jozef Iwulski.

Justice Gersdorf, following through on a vow she had made, showed up for work with other justices Wednesday morning, setting the stage for a possible confrontation with the authorities.

Officials with the governing party say they are simply overhauling a corrupt system that obstructs popular will. But critics, both in Poland and abroad, contend they are building one in which the courts are subservient to politicians.

In his zeal to create what he calls a Fourth Republic, free of any vestige of Communist rule and vest the state with ever greater power, the party’s leader, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, has also set the nation on a collision course with the European Union. The bloc views the changes as a threat to the rule of law and the Western values at the heart of the treaty binding the union of nations.

But the European Union’s failure to curb Hungary’s drift toward authoritarianism has emboldened other leaders in the region, where right-wing nationalism and populism are on the rise. Right-wing governments have taken power recently in Austria and Italy, while Chancellor Angela Merkel, a guardian of liberal Western values, just agreed to build camps on Germany’s borders to process migrants.

If Poland is not made to pay a high price for its actions, critics and outside legal experts worry, currents unraveling democracy in member states will be further strengthened.

It is far from clear how much more the European Union can do. For the first time in its history, it has turned to the so-called nuclear option, invoking Article 7 of its founding treaty. Poland could lose its voting rights as part of that process, although that would require a unanimous vote by the 28 member nations — a highly unlikely result, considering its strong backing from other countries that have moved in an authoritarian direction.

European officials also announced on Monday that a so-called infringement procedure had been started against Poland, which could result in the matter being referred to the European Court of Justice. The court could declare the judicial overhaul unconstitutional, but it cannot stop it.

For now, many of the country’s 10,000 judges remain united in their opposition to the government’s measures. And counter-pressures are building in Poland’s vibrant civil society.

Lech Walesa, who led the Solidarity movement that ended Communist rule in Poland and then served as president from 1990 to 1995, vowed on Sunday to lead a campaign of civil disobedience if Justice Gersdorf and other judges were removed.

“I am saying a definite ‘enough’ to this,” he wrote on Facebook. “If they raise their paws against the Supreme Court, then I am going to Warsaw.”

Judges who have spoken out publicly against the purge have reported being threatened, harassed and intimidated.

Waldemar Zurek, a former spokesman for the National Council of the Judiciary and a district court judge in the city of Krakow, has been openly critical of the changes. In response, he says, both he and his family have been subject to intense pressure and abuse, including death threats.

Judge Zurek said he was dismissed as a spokesman for the courts, threatened with disciplinary sanctions over fabricated allegations, and harassed by government agents, including at his home. His financial records were improperly disclosed, he has faced what he calls a trumped-up investigations about a long-ago real-estate transaction, and he has gotten scores of threatening emails and letters.

“All those who stand in the way of the minister become public enemies,” he said. “They are spat on.”

Justice Gersdorf, whose title is first president of the Supreme Court, said she thought that the mandatory retirement age was set with her in mind. Backed by 63 other judges on the court, who voted last week that she should stay in office, Justice Gersdorf said that she would continue to show up for work.

“I have no intention of resigning, since my term of office is six years,” she said.

Such defiance is the latest and most high-profile development in a confrontation that has been building for months.

In December, the Venice Commission, which is responsible for monitoring rule of law for the European Union, expressed “grave concerns” that the judicial overhaul put “at serious risk the independence of all parts of the Polish judiciary.”

Poland was given until the end of June to make changes that would satisfy those concerns. But no agreement was reached in meetings last week in Luxembourg, and Polish leaders vowed to press ahead.

“In essence, this is the end,” Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Thursday after meeting with European leaders. “We do not intend to withdraw from this reform.”

Mr. Kaczynski, the governing party’s leader, has not hidden his intentions.

“In a democracy, the sovereign is the people, their representative in Parliament and, in the Polish case, the elected president,” he said in a 2016 speech. “If we are to have a democratic state of law, no state authority, including the Constitutional Tribunal, can disregard legislation.”

Lacking the two-thirds majority needed in Parliament to change the Constitution, the party instead took control of the tribunal. After that, the tribunal approved laws, like those restructuring the courts, that critics have called unconstitutional.

The party then gave the Minister of Justice the role of prosecutor general, which had previously been independent, and it took over the National Council of the Judiciary, which is responsible for appointing judges.

Parliament also created a new disciplinary chamber that the opposition says would be used to attack judges who displeased the party.

“Judges in this disciplinary chamber will be earning 40 percent more than the justices on the Supreme Court,” Justice Gersdorf said. “It has to be emphasized that this is political bribery.”

One of Poland’s great accomplishments after 1989 was restoring public faith in the courts, she said, but it “will require years of rebuilding” to undo the damage being done to that achievement.

She shrugged off concerns that she might have to pay a high price for her defiance.

“They are not putting people in jail yet,” she said.


Basically, 27 of the 72 justices(including the 1st president of the court) in Poland's Supreme Court have been fired by the PiS government, ostensibly because they're over 65, but in reality because they're opposed to the consolidation of power in the increasingly authoritarian state. Poland is also establishing a judicial disciplinary chamber to punish judges for "misconduct". 1st President of the Court Malgorzata Gersdorf showed up to work today, ready to force a showdown. The EU is considering imposing Article 7 of the Maastricht Treaty....but that requires a unanimous vote, which the rest of the Visegrad Group won't let happen.

So, NSG, do you think Poland is on its way to become another Hungary or even Russia(without the conquests)?

At this rate, I would have to say yes. Illiberal democracy is on the rise in Eastern Europe, more so than in the west or in North America, and nothing can stop it because people like Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who still runs the country from behind the scenes, simply don't care.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:25 am

Poland already was far-right. Now, they seem to be trying to make the place a Russia. Right-wing "democracy" is all over Europe, and it'll be gone someday. Not someday soon.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:30 am

Shrillland wrote:Basically, 27 of the 72 justices(including the 1st president of the court) in Poland's Supreme Court have been fired by the PiS government, ostensibly because they're over 65, but in reality because they're opposed to the consolidation of power in the increasingly authoritarian state. Poland is also establishing a judicial disciplinary chamber to punish judges for "misconduct". 1st President of the Court Malgorzata Gersdorf showed up to work today, ready to force a showdown. The EU is considering imposing Article 7 of the Maastricht Treaty....but that requires a unanimous vote, which the rest of the Visegrad Group won't let happen.


And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:34 am

Risottia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Basically, 27 of the 72 justices(including the 1st president of the court) in Poland's Supreme Court have been fired by the PiS government, ostensibly because they're over 65, but in reality because they're opposed to the consolidation of power in the increasingly authoritarian state. Poland is also establishing a judicial disciplinary chamber to punish judges for "misconduct". 1st President of the Court Malgorzata Gersdorf showed up to work today, ready to force a showdown. The EU is considering imposing Article 7 of the Maastricht Treaty....but that requires a unanimous vote, which the rest of the Visegrad Group won't let happen.


And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.


Aye...it would be best if the EU wasn't going through a rough spot right now. Honestly, after Britain left, I thought they would do the same...though I worry about the EU's future if something like that were to happen.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:39 am

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And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.


Aye...it would be best if the EU wasn't going through a rough spot right now. Honestly, after Britain left, I thought they would do the same...though I worry about the EU's future if something like that were to happen.

It was an error to let Britain and Central Europe in before the core countries (founders + Spain + Portugal + Greece + Austria) had achieved political unity. Now, without Britain and possibly without the V4, we can start over again.
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Risottia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Basically, 27 of the 72 justices(including the 1st president of the court) in Poland's Supreme Court have been fired by the PiS government, ostensibly because they're over 65, but in reality because they're opposed to the consolidation of power in the increasingly authoritarian state. Poland is also establishing a judicial disciplinary chamber to punish judges for "misconduct". 1st President of the Court Malgorzata Gersdorf showed up to work today, ready to force a showdown. The EU is considering imposing Article 7 of the Maastricht Treaty....but that requires a unanimous vote, which the rest of the Visegrad Group won't let happen.


And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.

Yes that's a good way to solve the issue. "Fuck you we don't like you wait why the fuck is everyone leaving the EU wtf fascists"

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Postby Swindenland » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:43 am

Risottia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Basically, 27 of the 72 justices(including the 1st president of the court) in Poland's Supreme Court have been fired by the PiS government, ostensibly because they're over 65, but in reality because they're opposed to the consolidation of power in the increasingly authoritarian state. Poland is also establishing a judicial disciplinary chamber to punish judges for "misconduct". 1st President of the Court Malgorzata Gersdorf showed up to work today, ready to force a showdown. The EU is considering imposing Article 7 of the Maastricht Treaty....but that requires a unanimous vote, which the rest of the Visegrad Group won't let happen.


And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.


As a proud EU citizen, I fell very sad by having to agree with you. The visegrad group are goats eating off Germany's and France's budget, taking it away from countries that really need it (Lithuania or Romania) and use it for bitching fascism. If you oppose everything the EU does, leave it. The EU should be only western and northern europe with central european states willibg to comply.
If Poland looses access to the common market they'll get immediately fucked. The EU NEEDS TO BE A MAN and say: "If you don't comply, face the consequences." I wonder how long they'd make it on their own.

The main reason why the EU is failling is because it gives a weak snowflake-like appereance, which makes the Poles (not all, as only roughly a third voted for PiS) feel like a superoir race. I want to point out one thing - Poles are Slavs, and they are nothing more than Ivans and Mashas riding goats enwrapped in Confederacy flags. Just kick them out.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:47 am

Swindenland wrote:
Risottia wrote:
And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.


As a proud EU citizen, I fell very sad by having to agree with you. The visegrad group are goats eating off Germany's and France's budget, taking it away from countries that really need it (Lithuania or Romania) and use it for bitching fascism. If you oppose everything the EU does, leave it. The EU should be only western and northern europe with central european states willibg to comply.
If Poland looses access to the common market they'll get immediately fucked. The EU NEEDS TO BE A MAN and say: "If you don't comply, face the consequences." I wonder how long they'd make it on their own.

The main reason why the EU is failling is because it gives a weak snowflake-like appereance, which makes the Poles (not all, as only roughly a third voted for PiS) feel like a superoir race. I want to point out one thing - Poles are Slavs, and they are nothing more than Ivans and Mashas riding goats enwrapped in Confederacy flags. Just kick them out.



The Bulgarians are Slavs too, and they don't seem to be doing the same thing. Ditto Croatia and Slovenia, and they aren't treacherous to Europe.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:51 am

Swindenland wrote:
Risottia wrote:
And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.


As a proud EU citizen, I fell very sad by having to agree with you. The visegrad group are goats eating off Germany's and France's budget, taking it away from countries that really need it (Lithuania or Romania) and use it for bitching fascism. If you oppose everything the EU does, leave it. The EU should be only western and northern europe with central european states willibg to comply.
If Poland looses access to the common market they'll get immediately fucked. The EU NEEDS TO BE A MAN and say: "If you don't comply, face the consequences." I wonder how long they'd make it on their own.

The main reason why the EU is failling is because it gives a weak snowflake-like appereance, which makes the Poles (not all, as only roughly a third voted for PiS) feel like a superoir race. I want to point out one thing - Poles are Slavs, and they are nothing more than Ivans and Mashas riding goats enwrapped in Confederacy flags. Just kick them out.

The main problem is exactly that. The EU doesn't kick out those nations that are non-functioning democracies, who subjugate their people under their ends.
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Postby Swindenland » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:52 am

Shrillland wrote:
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As a proud EU citizen, I fell very sad by having to agree with you. The visegrad group are goats eating off Germany's and France's budget, taking it away from countries that really need it (Lithuania or Romania) and use it for bitching fascism. If you oppose everything the EU does, leave it. The EU should be only western and northern europe with central european states willibg to comply.
If Poland looses access to the common market they'll get immediately fucked. The EU NEEDS TO BE A MAN and say: "If you don't comply, face the consequences." I wonder how long they'd make it on their own.

The main reason why the EU is failling is because it gives a weak snowflake-like appereance, which makes the Poles (not all, as only roughly a third voted for PiS) feel like a superoir race. I want to point out one thing - Poles are Slavs, and they are nothing more than Ivans and Mashas riding goats enwrapped in Confederacy flags. Just kick them out.



The Bulgarians are Slavs too, and they don't seem to be doing the same thing. Ditto Croatia and Slovenia, and they aren't treacherous to Europe.


Who knows, I don't want to put all people into the same group (ever person and nation is unique), but you need to teach them discipline.
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Postby Evil Lord Bane » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:53 am

I predicted this when the EU opened it's boarders to unlimited migration from the middle east and Africa, many years ago. The far right, which had been lurking just under the surface of Europe since the mid 1940's, have come out in force, and has effected a paradigm shift away from a post-national, centralized, secular government of the EU, to a nationalist, de-centralized, Christian based, very right wing model. The EU exceeded it's mandate, and tried to force a "one size fits all" government run from Brussels, that no one voted for, and without the consent of the people. I think Quit-Italy is next, and the break up of the EU is not very far away. This is the failure of those who supported the European push into globalism, the policies they made, and the rule they created without the will or consent of the people of Europe.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:54 am

The South Falls wrote:
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As a proud EU citizen, I fell very sad by having to agree with you. The visegrad group are goats eating off Germany's and France's budget, taking it away from countries that really need it (Lithuania or Romania) and use it for bitching fascism. If you oppose everything the EU does, leave it. The EU should be only western and northern europe with central european states willibg to comply.
If Poland looses access to the common market they'll get immediately fucked. The EU NEEDS TO BE A MAN and say: "If you don't comply, face the consequences." I wonder how long they'd make it on their own.

The main reason why the EU is failling is because it gives a weak snowflake-like appereance, which makes the Poles (not all, as only roughly a third voted for PiS) feel like a superoir race. I want to point out one thing - Poles are Slavs, and they are nothing more than Ivans and Mashas riding goats enwrapped in Confederacy flags. Just kick them out.

The main problem is exactly that. The EU doesn't kick out those nations that are non-functioning democracies, who subjugate their people under their ends.


Sadly, the EU isn't the superstate we've all hoped for and won't be able to do the things it needs to do to survive. Which is extremely sad because, before the UK's secession, I honestly thought that the unified EU would become the greatest superpower the world had ever seen by 2050.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:57 am

Evil Lord Bane wrote:I predicted this when the EU opened it's boarders to unlimited migration from the middle east and Africa, many years ago. The far right, which had been lurking just under the surface of Europe since the mid 1940's, have come out in force, and has effected a paradigm shift away from a post-national, centralized, secular government of the EU, to a nationalist, de-centralized, Christian based, very right wing model. The EU exceeded it's mandate, and tried to force a "one size fits all" government run from Brussels, that no one voted for, and without the consent of the people. I think Quit-Italy is next, and the break up of the EU is not very far away. This is the failure of those who supported the European push into globalism, the policies they made, and the rule they created without the will or consent of the people of Europe.


So how are Middle Eastern Migrants forcing the Polish government to purge the Supreme Court?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:09 am

Risottia wrote:
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Aye...it would be best if the EU wasn't going through a rough spot right now. Honestly, after Britain left, I thought they would do the same...though I worry about the EU's future if something like that were to happen.

It was an error to let Britain and Central Europe in before the core countries (founders + Spain + Portugal + Greece + Austria) had achieved political unity. Now, without Britain and possibly without the V4, we can start over again.

And maybe let us back in again after we’ve grown up.....please
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:27 am

I love Poland, I know nothing about Polish politics however. I will keep an eye on this thread and try to learn more.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:33 am

Risottia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Basically, 27 of the 72 justices(including the 1st president of the court) in Poland's Supreme Court have been fired by the PiS government, ostensibly because they're over 65, but in reality because they're opposed to the consolidation of power in the increasingly authoritarian state. Poland is also establishing a judicial disciplinary chamber to punish judges for "misconduct". 1st President of the Court Malgorzata Gersdorf showed up to work today, ready to force a showdown. The EU is considering imposing Article 7 of the Maastricht Treaty....but that requires a unanimous vote, which the rest of the Visegrad Group won't let happen.


And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.

The South Falls wrote:Poland already was far-right. Now, they seem to be trying to make the place a Russia. Right-wing "democracy" is all over Europe, and it'll be gone someday. Not someday soon.


Where do you see fascism here?

It's just a democratically elected government trying to get itself more power. Good 'ol politics.
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If Poland looses access to the common market they'll get immediately fucked. The EU NEEDS TO BE A MAN and say: "If you don't comply, face the consequences." I wonder how long they'd make it on their own.

The main reason why the EU is failling is because it gives a weak snowflake-like appereance, which makes the Poles (not all, as only roughly a third voted for PiS) feel like a superoir race. I want to point out one thing - Poles are Slavs, and they are nothing more than Ivans and Mashas riding goats enwrapped in Confederacy flags. Just kick them out.

I don't know what's more laughable: your theory about the Slav supremacists or your unknowledge of Polish names.
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Yeah, but most democratic governments don't turn out a full third of their supreme courts just to grab power temporarily. It looks as if PiS wants to take over on a permanent basis.
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Postby Canadensia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:43 am

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Shrillland wrote:Basically, 27 of the 72 justices(including the 1st president of the court) in Poland's Supreme Court have been fired by the PiS government, ostensibly because they're over 65, but in reality because they're opposed to the consolidation of power in the increasingly authoritarian state. Poland is also establishing a judicial disciplinary chamber to punish judges for "misconduct". 1st President of the Court Malgorzata Gersdorf showed up to work today, ready to force a showdown. The EU is considering imposing Article 7 of the Maastricht Treaty....but that requires a unanimous vote, which the rest of the Visegrad Group won't let happen.


And that's exactly why the EU should do its best to piss of the V4 countries so they will leave. Fuck the Visegrad fascist governments.


Mate, with all due respect, could you possibly be any more of a living, breathing stereotype of armchair Socialism?

Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia are no more fascist than Sweden is a Communist paradise. The ruling party of Poland in particular isn't even far-right. It's just socially conservative and nationalistic. Hell, it doesn't even advocate hard euroscepticism.

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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:44 am

Shrillland wrote:Yeah, but most democratic governments don't turn out a full third of their supreme courts just to grab power temporarily. It looks as if PiS wants to take over on a permanent basis.

Alas, some might have to burn...

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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:49 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Yeah, but most democratic governments don't turn out a full third of their supreme courts just to grab power temporarily. It looks as if PiS wants to take over on a permanent basis.

Alas, some might have to burn...

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Postby Canadensia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:49 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Yeah, but most democratic governments don't turn out a full third of their supreme courts just to grab power temporarily. It looks as if PiS wants to take over on a permanent basis.

Alas, some might have to burn...

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After seeing judges become mullahs in my country, I must sympathize.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:After seeing judges become mullahs in my country, I must sympathize.

When has that happened in the US?
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The South Falls wrote:Poland already was far-right. Now, they seem to be trying to make the place a Russia. Right-wing "democracy" is all over Europe, and it'll be gone someday. Not someday soon.


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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:02 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:After seeing judges become mullahs in my country, I must sympathize.

When has that happened in the US?

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