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Which group will first bankrupt the United States?

Poll runs till Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:00 pm

Retirees
30
37%
Students
22
27%
"Homeowners"
13
16%
Poor
17
21%
 
Total votes : 82

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Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:17 pm


Libertarian Discussion Thread
Second Edition
Shitty Title Puns Ever Since 1776
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Thanks to Honored TLT for the crony-issued permission to finally kickstart the second version of the Libertarian Discussion Thread, after the first one stagnated and advanced awfully slow several times during the two years it lived through. Also, thanks to the LDWT for the format used here this is the price they shall pay for siphoning libertarian posts away from our circlejerk :^).

Since I hate overly prepared megaposts, I'll be fairly straightforward here. TG me for suggestions, polls and also possible partnerships between this thread and your site, server, discord, flying spaghetti dog, whatever.

Previous Versions of the LDT:
LDT I

Relevant/advised talking topics:

  • Libertarian philosophy and theory
  • Libertarian political, economical and societal proposals
  • News and events related to the libertarian cause
  • Current events and libertarian viewpoints on it
  • Historical problems, and libertarian ways to solve them
  • Solutions to the clusterfuck of libertarian cliques and its consequent difficulty of fighting statism :^(

Poll Results:
Nothing here yet, rip

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Video Suggestions
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 pm

I need more video and book suggestions
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:20 pm

I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)
Anarchy's my name AND my game.
"My only regret with the American south is that Tecumseh Sherman didn't keep burning and the lawful federal government of the United States of America didn't grind their shitty backwards culture into the dirt to start fresh like we did with the Germans and Japanese. Maybe then the south wouldn't still be poor and full of hate. The cruelest thing the union did was give the south mercy in 1865."

You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:22 pm

I thought we agreed upon "Recreational Nukes?"

Oh well this has my endorsement.
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Postby United American Commomwealth » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:22 pm

Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

Except for my private property.


And on snakes, they will bite your balls and give you venom.
At this point, I don't know if anything represents my views anymore
A 14.5 civilization, according to this ok index. (I can't tell if I suck or not).
If there is no light at the end of the tunnel, make your own light and smash that tunnel open.
Murica news: Banishment to Detroit declared legal form of punishment for extreme or multiple felonies. | Greek rebels revolt against USSR government in Athens, the skirmish lasted 2 hours before it was suppressed | India-Chinese relationships sour over the Arunachal Pradesh dispute. | Hitler's grave found in Santa Isabel, Argentina.

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:23 pm

United American Commomwealth wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

Except for my private property.


And on snakes, they will bite your balls and give you venom.


*Seizes ur properties*
Anarchy's my name AND my game.
"My only regret with the American south is that Tecumseh Sherman didn't keep burning and the lawful federal government of the United States of America didn't grind their shitty backwards culture into the dirt to start fresh like we did with the Germans and Japanese. Maybe then the south wouldn't still be poor and full of hate. The cruelest thing the union did was give the south mercy in 1865."

You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
Kramanica wrote:He is the physical incarnation of leftypol.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:
United American Commomwealth wrote:Except for my private property.


And on snakes, they will bite your balls and give you venom.


*Seizes ur properties*


The means of production are all yours :^)
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:37 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:I thought we agreed upon "Recreational Nukes?"

Oh well this has my endorsement.

too bad of a pun, you have to agree that dont thread on me is better :^)
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:37 pm

Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

ok stop larping rotors of freedom
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Postby Zurkerx » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:14 pm

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I am a Pragmatic Libertarian Atheist
My Word: Indubitably
READ ME
Pros/Cons

A Golden Civic: the New Libertarian
I Do What I Want
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:40 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

ok stop larping rotors of freedom


no, that's flying over oceans :c
Anarchy's my name AND my game.
"My only regret with the American south is that Tecumseh Sherman didn't keep burning and the lawful federal government of the United States of America didn't grind their shitty backwards culture into the dirt to start fresh like we did with the Germans and Japanese. Maybe then the south wouldn't still be poor and full of hate. The cruelest thing the union did was give the south mercy in 1865."

You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
Kramanica wrote:He is the physical incarnation of leftypol.

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:51 am

Good books:

Calculus of Consent
The Case Against Education (HIGHLY woke)
Bourgeois trilogy


Also Marginal Revolution, Mercatus, EconLog, and Adam Smith Institute should be on the blogroll

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Postby Elwher » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:42 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


While somewhat old, Jerome Tuccille's Radical Libertarianism is a great introductory text.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:33 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


You're obviously forgetting some important text here: The Road to Serfdom and Capitalism and Freedom
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:35 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread, can't leave out the left libs :^)
Anarchy's my name AND my game.
"My only regret with the American south is that Tecumseh Sherman didn't keep burning and the lawful federal government of the United States of America didn't grind their shitty backwards culture into the dirt to start fresh like we did with the Germans and Japanese. Maybe then the south wouldn't still be poor and full of hate. The cruelest thing the union did was give the south mercy in 1865."

You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
Kramanica wrote:He is the physical incarnation of leftypol.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:39 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread, can't leave out the left libs :^)

I wish I could refuse it but it's anarchist literature
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:42 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread, can't leave out the left libs :^)

I wish I could refuse it but it's anarchist literature


:^)
Anarchy's my name AND my game.
"My only regret with the American south is that Tecumseh Sherman didn't keep burning and the lawful federal government of the United States of America didn't grind their shitty backwards culture into the dirt to start fresh like we did with the Germans and Japanese. Maybe then the south wouldn't still be poor and full of hate. The cruelest thing the union did was give the south mercy in 1865."

You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
Kramanica wrote:He is the physical incarnation of leftypol.

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Postby Elwher » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:38 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Good books:

Calculus of Consent
The Case Against Education (HIGHLY woke)
Bourgeois trilogy


Also Marginal Revolution, Mercatus, EconLog, and Adam Smith Institute should be on the blogroll


A side note/question...When did the word woke change from a verb to an adjective?
CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:55 pm

Elwher wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Good books:

Calculus of Consent
The Case Against Education (HIGHLY woke)
Bourgeois trilogy


Also Marginal Revolution, Mercatus, EconLog, and Adam Smith Institute should be on the blogroll


A side note/question...When did the word woke change from a verb to an adjective?


^unwoke
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:12 pm

It's been fairly clear that left-anarchism is just brahmin mad max; even in Rojava the costs of anarchy have been offloaded to the USAF and the unlikeable Arabs. I don't think it is in fact very "libertarian" at all.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:39 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:It's been fairly clear that left-anarchism is just brahmin mad max;


*ehem* w r o n g
Anarchy's my name AND my game.
"My only regret with the American south is that Tecumseh Sherman didn't keep burning and the lawful federal government of the United States of America didn't grind their shitty backwards culture into the dirt to start fresh like we did with the Germans and Japanese. Maybe then the south wouldn't still be poor and full of hate. The cruelest thing the union did was give the south mercy in 1865."

You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
Kramanica wrote:He is the physical incarnation of leftypol.

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:04 pm

If anything, it's "anarcho-tyranny:" you can do as you please unless you do something the cool cigarette-smoking, Bakunin/Beauvoir/Bookchin-reading, totally-not-soldier brahmins don't like, then you are summarily shot for being a reactionary

A state would be an improvement in this case, at least it would be a tyrant you can understand and plan around
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i'd like to announce that taihei is officially banned from posting here unless if he joins the LDT discord
this is how crony monopolies kickstart ;')
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:25 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:i'd like to announce that taihei is officially banned from posting here unless if he joins the LDT discord
this is how crony monopolies kickstart ;')


Cue the established monopolies (mods) BTFO'ing you for attempting to claim thread ownership, as is natural for right-libertarian societies :^)
Anarchy's my name AND my game.
"My only regret with the American south is that Tecumseh Sherman didn't keep burning and the lawful federal government of the United States of America didn't grind their shitty backwards culture into the dirt to start fresh like we did with the Germans and Japanese. Maybe then the south wouldn't still be poor and full of hate. The cruelest thing the union did was give the south mercy in 1865."

You probably have my idea of Communism wrong.
Kramanica wrote:He is the physical incarnation of leftypol.

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Postby Auze » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:28 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:i'd like to announce that taihei is officially banned from posting here unless if he joins the LDT discord
this is how crony monopolies kickstart ;')


Cue the established monopolies (mods) BTFO'ing you for attempting to claim thread ownership, as is natural for right-libertarian societies :^)

They will seize the means of moderation.
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