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Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

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What is the best libertarian ideology?

Poll ended at Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:00 pm

Classical liberalism
32
48%
Minarchism
6
9%
Anarcho-capitalism
3
5%
Bakunin's anarchism
5
8%
Anarcho-syndicalism
11
17%
Other/Anarcho-statism
9
14%
 
Total votes : 66

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Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:17 pm


Libertarian Discussion Thread
Second Edition
Shitty Title Puns Ever Since 1776
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Thanks to Honored TLT for the crony-issued permission to finally kickstart the second version of the Libertarian Discussion Thread, after the first one stagnated and advanced awfully slow several times during the two years it lived through. Also, thanks to the LDWT for the format used here this is the price they shall pay for siphoning libertarian posts away from our circlejerk :^).

Since I hate overly prepared megaposts, I'll be fairly straightforward here. TG me for suggestions, polls and also possible partnerships between this thread and your site, server, discord, flying spaghetti dog, whatever.

Previous Versions of the LDT:
LDT I

Relevant/advised talking topics:

  • Libertarian philosophy and theory
  • Libertarian political, economical and societal proposals
  • News and events related to the libertarian cause
  • Current events and libertarian viewpoints on it
  • Historical problems, and libertarian ways to solve them
  • Solutions to the clusterfuck of libertarian cliques and its consequent difficulty of fighting statism :^(

Poll Results:
1. Which group will first bankrupt the United States?
Retirees: 37
Students: 25
"Homeowners": 19
Poor: 18
Total: 99

2. Should the ":^)" smile be banned from this thread?
Yes: 11
Yes: 1
No (implicitly yes): 26
Total: 38

3. What is the best libertarian vice?
Vape: 4
Weed: 13
Anime: 21
Bitcoin: 14
Manlets: 5
Total: 57

4. Who are the main enemies to the libertarian cause?
Welfare queens: 3
Poor people: 7
Politicians: 9
Rich globalists: 7
Communists: 18
Literally all of the above: 14
Total: 58

5. Don't tread on...
me!: 27
y'all!: 5
yourself :^): 8
no u: 22
Total: 62


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Mises Institute [Brazil]
Heritage Foundation
Cato Institute
Adam Smith Institute
Mercatus Center
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I need more video and book suggestions
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:20 pm

I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)
Communist now and forever.
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"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
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Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:22 pm

I thought we agreed upon "Recreational Nukes?"

Oh well this has my endorsement.
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Postby United American Commomwealth » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:22 pm

Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

Except for my private property.


And on snakes, they will bite your balls and give you venom.
Might have represented my views in the past, now it's just Libertarian Knockoff 1984/Lexicon
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:23 pm

United American Commomwealth wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

Except for my private property.


And on snakes, they will bite your balls and give you venom.


*Seizes ur properties*
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:
United American Commomwealth wrote:Except for my private property.


And on snakes, they will bite your balls and give you venom.


*Seizes ur properties*


The means of production are all yours :^)
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The Liberated Territories wrote:I thought we agreed upon "Recreational Nukes?"

Oh well this has my endorsement.

too bad of a pun, you have to agree that dont thread on me is better :^)
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:37 pm

Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

ok stop larping rotors of freedom
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:40 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I TREAD WHERE I PLEASE

:^)

ok stop larping rotors of freedom


no, that's flying over oceans :c
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:51 am

Good books:

Calculus of Consent
The Case Against Education (HIGHLY woke)
Bourgeois trilogy


Also Marginal Revolution, Mercatus, EconLog, and Adam Smith Institute should be on the blogroll
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Postby Elwher » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:42 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


While somewhat old, Jerome Tuccille's Radical Libertarianism is a great introductory text.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:33 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


You're obviously forgetting some important text here: The Road to Serfdom and Capitalism and Freedom
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:35 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread, can't leave out the left libs :^)
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:39 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:I need more video and book suggestions


Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread, can't leave out the left libs :^)

I wish I could refuse it but it's anarchist literature
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:42 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread, can't leave out the left libs :^)

I wish I could refuse it but it's anarchist literature


:^)
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby Elwher » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:38 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Good books:

Calculus of Consent
The Case Against Education (HIGHLY woke)
Bourgeois trilogy


Also Marginal Revolution, Mercatus, EconLog, and Adam Smith Institute should be on the blogroll


A side note/question...When did the word woke change from a verb to an adjective?
CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:55 pm

Elwher wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Good books:

Calculus of Consent
The Case Against Education (HIGHLY woke)
Bourgeois trilogy


Also Marginal Revolution, Mercatus, EconLog, and Adam Smith Institute should be on the blogroll


A side note/question...When did the word woke change from a verb to an adjective?


^unwoke
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:12 pm

It's been fairly clear that left-anarchism is just brahmin mad max; even in Rojava the costs of anarchy have been offloaded to the USAF and the unlikeable Arabs. I don't think it is in fact very "libertarian" at all.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:39 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:It's been fairly clear that left-anarchism is just brahmin mad max;


*ehem* w r o n g
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:04 pm

If anything, it's "anarcho-tyranny:" you can do as you please unless you do something the cool cigarette-smoking, Bakunin/Beauvoir/Bookchin-reading, totally-not-soldier brahmins don't like, then you are summarily shot for being a reactionary

A state would be an improvement in this case, at least it would be a tyrant you can understand and plan around
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i'd like to announce that taihei is officially banned from posting here unless if he joins the LDT discord
this is how crony monopolies kickstart ;')
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:25 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:i'd like to announce that taihei is officially banned from posting here unless if he joins the LDT discord
this is how crony monopolies kickstart ;')


Cue the established monopolies (mods) BTFO'ing you for attempting to claim thread ownership, as is natural for right-libertarian societies :^)
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby Auze » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:28 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:i'd like to announce that taihei is officially banned from posting here unless if he joins the LDT discord
this is how crony monopolies kickstart ;')


Cue the established monopolies (mods) BTFO'ing you for attempting to claim thread ownership, as is natural for right-libertarian societies :^)

They will seize the means of moderation.
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