by Petrolheadia » Tue May 29, 2018 10:28 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Tue May 29, 2018 10:32 pm
by Chan Island » Tue May 29, 2018 10:32 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Elvectica » Tue May 29, 2018 10:34 pm
by Cedoria » Tue May 29, 2018 11:15 pm
by Keliall » Tue May 29, 2018 11:29 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue May 29, 2018 11:30 pm
by USS Monitor » Tue May 29, 2018 11:44 pm
Keliall wrote:We all know they do, which I find is stupid, why are the rich, rich? It’s because they’ve done something that’s revolutionised the world and they deserve the fortune brought to them. The moment you bring communistic ideals to the world innovation stops, why do something great when you could just do a worse job that pays the same? This is one of the reasons I’m right-wing.
by Petrolheadia » Tue May 29, 2018 11:54 pm
Elvectica wrote:I'd sort of agree, on one hand that brings up an interesting comparison between Nazis and far leftists, but on the other, I myself am more left leaning, but I don't view a majority of left-wingers hating the rich, it's more of hating the system, or hating the imbeciles that happen to be rich. That's just my two cents, I could be wrong
USS Monitor wrote:Keliall wrote:We all know they do, which I find is stupid, why are the rich, rich? It’s because they’ve done something that’s revolutionised the world and they deserve the fortune brought to them. The moment you bring communistic ideals to the world innovation stops, why do something great when you could just do a worse job that pays the same? This is one of the reasons I’m right-wing.
Plenty of rich people never did anything except being born into the right family.
People's choices and personal accomplishments play a role in determining wealth, but they aren't the only thing.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 30, 2018 12:06 am
by Garden at 6th Mile Road » Wed May 30, 2018 12:11 am
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by Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 30, 2018 12:13 am
by Petrolheadia » Wed May 30, 2018 12:28 am
Garden at 6th Mile Road wrote:To put it bluntly, many of the left-wingers don't exactly hate the rich just because. They seem to hate the rich people who are dicks towards everyone, flaunt/flex their money in front of everyone else, or spoilt.
Case in point.
Disclaimer that I am not saying that all the rich act that way; it's just this very vocal minority that flaunts the $x millions that they have, who in turn ticked off the "commoners" and "peasants" (their words, not mine).
To be honest, just finding out sources about this ticked me off. It's their attitude, that's all.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Does the laissez-faire right - which supports the continuation and intensification of extreme concentrations of wealth, property and ownership - hate the working class because their policies consciously deny them real equal opportunity in life? The self-made man is a rare exception of someone who drags themselves up against stacked odds, it is much easier for someone who comes from wealth to have similar or greater economic success just by coasting and not making absolutely terrible decisions.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 30, 2018 12:37 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:Does the laissez-faire right - which supports the continuation and intensification of extreme concentrations of wealth, property and ownership - hate the working class because their policies consciously deny them real equal opportunity in life? The self-made man is a rare exception of someone who drags themselves up against stacked odds, it is much easier for someone who comes from wealth to have similar or greater economic success just by coasting and not making absolutely terrible decisions.
There is a difference between noticing some support policies that help their sort, but hurt others, and actively hating those people and denying their empathy.
by Vassenor » Wed May 30, 2018 12:44 am
by Hirota » Wed May 30, 2018 12:50 am
by Petrolheadia » Wed May 30, 2018 12:52 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:There is a difference between noticing some support policies that help their sort, but hurt others, and actively hating those people and denying their empathy.
Many left-wingers don't. Some right-wingers do hate the poor and rail against their supposed failings in both morality and economic decision-making. This can be based both in interest - nothing needs doing to "fix" it if you can convincingly blame the individual - and out of ignorance - because they can't fully understand the situation of a person who hasn't had everything handed to them on a plate or who hasn't had the particular combination of fortunate circumstance that made it possible for them to use their skills to ascend to the top.
You're creating a false dichotomy. Some right-wingers hate the poor. Some left-wingers hate the rich. Neither is an essential quality.
by The Blaatschapen » Wed May 30, 2018 12:56 am
by Oil exporting People » Wed May 30, 2018 12:56 am
Vassenor wrote:I find it telling that people need to frame a desire to end systemic inequality as "you just hate the rich".
by Oil exporting People » Wed May 30, 2018 12:57 am
The blAAtschApen wrote:Why would I hate myself?
by New haven america » Wed May 30, 2018 1:01 am
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