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The World Grand Prix Organization (WGPO) is the organization that, ICly and to a certain extent OOCly, runs the following open-wheel racing competitions.

The World Grand Prix Championship (WGPC).

The WGPC Tier 2 Championship (WGPC Tier 2, commonly abbreviated to WGP2)

The WGPC Tier 3 Championships (WGPC Tier 3, possibly abbreviated to WGP3)


This is the discussion thread for all WGPO events.

Structure of the WGPO


Former Hosts
The WGPO is run by active former hosts of the World Grand Prix Championships. These are, as of the end of WGPC Season 16:

Liventia / Aels (Seasons 7 - 8 / 10 - 12)
Audioslavia (Seasons 13 - 16)

Bostopia, as the host of Season 9, would be elligible for above list were they to return to the WGPC at any level.

Members
Users who post at least one RP in the World Grand Prix Championship are considered members of the WPGC for the following cycle. Users with multiple nations are considered to be the same member. These are, as of the end of WGPC Season 16:

Aboveland
Aji no Moto / Filindostan
Audioslavia
Azadeshia
Eastfield Lodge
Esmerel
Ethane
The Gathered Nations of Privateers
Hodori
Karditan
Kita-Hinode
Lisander
Mattijana
Nekoni
Former Citizens of the Nimbus System
North Kalactin
North Prarie
Sorlovia
Sarvojana
The Krainin Isles
Vilita / Turori / Vilita and Turori
Vangaziland
West East Timor
Cycles


ICly, the WGPC takes place every year. OOCly, the WGPC currently takes place every year.

The cycle begins with the posting of the World Grand Prix Championship: Signups thread onto the forum. The cycle ends with the posting of next season's WGPC: Signups thread. All WGP2 or WGP3 events should be completed within this timeframe.

We currently use the following format for timing. This is a loose format that can change if needed.
December/January: WGPC season starts.
May/June: WGPC season finishes. WGPC Tier 2 season starts.
Before December: WGPC Tier 2 season finishes.

WGPC Tier 3 events may be run at any time, including during other seasons.

Users are free to interpret whatever IC timing they like to the WGP2 tournament. They may wish to imply that WGP2 takes place before, after or during the regular WGPC season.

The WGPC host should start the bidding process for WGP2 within a month or so of their WGPC season ending.

The user who wins the right to host WGP2 may start the signup process for WPC2 at their most convenient time. The competition should probably end within six months of the main WGPC season ending.

WGPC Tier 3 events are national/regional level events that anyone may host. The events/seasons may be held whenever a user likes. The event/season should be completed before the new cycle starts in order to count towards experience points for the new season.
Experience Points


Experience Points is the WGPC's method of ranking drivers. There are no formal driver or team rankings in WGPC.

This is a guide. Experience points may be calculated and distributed as a host sees fit.

Drivers

At the end of a season, the host of the event should total up each driver's experience points for that season.

Experience points work as follows.

For every race in a season, a driver is awarded the following points.

1st - 20 points
2nd - 18 points
3rd - 16 points
4th - 14 points
5th - 12 points
6th - 10 points
7th - 8 points
8th - 6 points
9th - 4 points
10th- 2 points
11th-Last - 0 points

The total amount of points for a driver should be divided by how many races were in that season (NOT how many races that specific driver took part in).

If the season is a WGPC season, then that figure is multiplied by 1
If the season is a WGPC Tier 2 season, the figure is mulitplied by 0.75
If the season is a WGPC Tier 3 season, the figure is multiplied by 0.5

For example, a driver attaining 50 points over a 10 race WGP2 season will attain ((50/10)*0.75 = 3.75) points.

At a host's discretion, they may choose to disregard experience points. This is due to the fact that only one scorinator (The Racing Scorinator V2) uses them. Even if a host uses this scorinator, they may choose to disregard experience points.

Teams

A team's Experience metric is simply the amount of seasons they have been taking part in WGPC competitions, up to a maximum of 10. For example, a team that has entered into three previous seasons of WGPC would have an EXP rating of 3, as would a team that were entered into WGPC Tier 3 one season, WGPC2 the next, and WGPC afterwards. If a team is entered into two championships in one season it is counted as only one experience point. It is used in the same way as the driver metric in that it affects only RP bonus.

When signing up a team and stating how many experience points their team has, a user does should list the events that said team has entered. If there is an IC reason why a team should be considered a continuation of a previous team of that user, they should link to the specific roleplay that states as such.

As with the driver's Experience Points, the host of a season can, at their discretion, choose to disregard experience points.
Deciding WGPC hosts


WGPC

The host of the WGPC is not decided via an open vote.

Users wanting to host the next season of WGPC should post their bid in this thread.

The winning bid will be the one decided upon by the former WGPC hosts.

WGPC Tier 2

The host of the WGPC Tier 2 is decided via an open vote. All WGPO Members are eligible to vote. Only WGPO Members are eligible to bid

Users wanting to host the next season of WGPC Tier 2 should post their bid in this thread.

After a certain point, all bids will be subject to a vote. The winning vote will host the next season of WGPC Tier 2.

WGPC Tier 3

Just to reiterate, any user may host an edition of WGP3. WGP3 is series of a National Championships of any length or complexity (a WGPC-like schedule of one race per week is fine. A simple scorination of all races in one post is also fine). WGP3 RPs should be posted in the WGPC: Tier 3 RP thread, which will be posted at some point in the future.
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Northwest Kalactin would like to formally announce that they would like to host a WGP3 competition called the Gold Coast Grand Prix this summer
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Postby Vilita and Turori » Mon May 28, 2018 6:06 am

I may be putting up an overview of my series in the month of June with a view to start doing team selections as early as July. Somewhere between there we can decide if we want it to be WGP2 or WGP3 level but it will be run the same way regardless.

The schedule will be more thematic and will permit non traditional track styles.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Mon May 28, 2018 8:43 am

I'm definitely throwing my hat into a WGP3 series.
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Postby North Prarie » Mon May 28, 2018 9:28 am

I will also host a WGP3 series.
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Postby Mattijana » Mon May 28, 2018 1:45 pm

An Official Bid From Mattijana For Hosting Rights to WGPC Tier 2

Following careful deliberation, the nation of Mattijana lodges a bid to take over organisational duties for the second season of WGP2. After taking the constructor's championship in the most recent WGPC season, the Mattijanan department of sport has decided this would be the ideal time to become increasingly more involved in the lower tiers of motorsport after the lack of Mattijanan representation in last year's competition.

Scorination:

Should we be selected for hosting duties, we would use the new 'Racing Scorinator V2.' This is for a number of reasons:

-V2 is according to Audioslavia, the fairest, most detailed and most feature-packed motorsports scorinator to date and is much better than any version of V1.
-V2 is expected to be the scorinator for the next WGPC 1 season. It therefore seems sensible to give it a runout in a near-identical competition with participants from multiple nations before it is let loose on the big one.
-WGP2 is a chance to solve any bugs/teething problems that may arise under the pressure of weekly scorination, as well as a chance to gather opinions about its features and feedback about how to improve it for future series.
-It'll be fun, right?

Schedule and Formatting:

Signups will go up soon after the host voting results are announced. All signups will last two weeks, after which team signups will close and the RP thread will go up. Circuit signups will remain open for a further week before the race calendar is announced. Driver signups will remain open for the duration of the season, as in the WGPC.

The bulk of the season is planned to take place between July and October, but may be a little longer depending on the number of good-quality circuit applications recieved. A maximum of 12 competitive races and 2 tests (one pre-season and one mid-season will occur, with a minimum of 8 competitive races and 1 pre-season test.

The standard WGPC weekend of Friday practice, Saturday qualifying and Sunday race will be used. However, as in the most recent WGPC season, practice and qualifying results will be posted simultaneously on the Friday before the race result on the Sunday.

Between 10 and 13 teams will be selected, once again dependent on number of good quality applications recieved, meaning between 20 and 26 drivers will take to the grid. There will be no official reserve drivers and two drivers per team.

Users will be able to sign up a maximum of two drivers, one team and two circuits. Nations will be able to sign up a maximum of one circuit, two drivers and one team.

RP bonuses will degrade over the course of the season in order to reward consistent RP over the duration of a season.

Signups:

To fit in with the V2 scorinator, signups will be in accordance with Audioslavia's instructions as posted alongside the Scorinator. This means drivers will have 12 points to allocate between reliability, technique and aggression, with scores for each attribute between 2 and 5.

Teams will have 12 points to allocate between reliability, aerodynamics and technical and engineering skills.

As in this WGPC season, margin for error, chance of rain and overtaking difficulty will be included alongside the usual bits in the circuit signup.

For details of how application templates would look, see Audio's post about the Racing V2 Scorinator, which is linked to in the OP of this thread.

IC Stuff:

As WGP2 is designed as a platform for young talent and a method of scouting young drivers for the WGPC proper, it seems sensible to have drivers competing on more of a level playing field than the WGPC.
Although car design will still be down to their owner, Petrovi tyres will be the only tyre provider for the season. Two compounds of dry tyre will be available each weekend, along with the intermediate and wet compounds if required. The compounds to be used will be announced on the post containing the practice results. Super-soft, soft, medium and hard tyres will be used over the duration of the season and in a dry race, each car must use both the harder and softer compound on offer.

Engines may be built by the team, but their type will be regulated, with specifications tbc.

Car regulations will otherwise be as stringent as in the previous WGPC season and down to the owner to design.


About Me

I've been knocking around NS Sports since around 2015 and have participated in the last 4 WGPCs, running a team in the most recent three. Although I didn't participate in the inaugeral WGP2 season due to being very busy, I feel now is a great time to get involved in the organisational side of the WGPC including the second and third tiers.

Most of my hosting experience comes in football as I co-hosted the 66th Baptism of Fire with Barunia and solo hosted the 20th Campionato Esportiva. In other sports, I have co-hosted the 9th Cricket T-20 World Cup with Liventia, as well as the Sliding World Cup series solo.

My RP experience comes in a variety of sports, including tennis and rugby on top of those already mentioned.

Anything Else?

If I've missed anything, or you have any questions or concerns, let me know either by TG or in this thread. Cheers!
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Postby Ethane » Mon May 28, 2018 2:13 pm

I've been out of WGPC for a while, so can I have clarification as to what WGP3 is please?
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Postby Audioslavia » Mon May 28, 2018 2:39 pm

Mattijana wrote:*snip*


Looks great, Mattijana. I'll let everyone settle into this new system before I start setting deadlines and dates for host voting etc.

Ethane wrote:I've been out of WGPC for a while, so can I have clarification as to what WGP3 is please?


The info should be in the OP. If you've already read it and are asking because I hadn't made it clear enough (which is very likely), WGP3 is pretty much the domestic series for every nation. If you'd like to run your own national championships, you can have it under the WGP3 banner (WGPC Tier 3: Ethane, for example) and put your RPs and results in the upcoming WGP3 thread. You don't have to run one, and if you run a national championships you don't even have to have it be any part of the WGPC brand.




In possibly related news, I have a couple of points to bring up with regards to how I hosted the WGPC16.

    * If I could do it again, I'd have twelve races maximum. I ran out of steam towards the end and it took a certain amount of willpower to get behind the keyboard and do a little bit of justice to Alec Lund's curtain call. I didn't notice a quality drop off with anyone else, but we lost a few users along the way during a very long season.
    * The midweek scorination was a stupid idea and I'd urge people not to try it again in WGPC or WGP2.
    * I eliminated the Reliability metric for the season as hadn't found a way to balance it fairly, but I had jimmied a way to simply tie it to RP bonus. I felt this made for a pretty boring season for light RPers, who were affected more by spin-outs and DNFs than others. It wasn't a great system. The current scorinator doesn't even have the option to do away with Reliability, as V1 of the scorinator did, and as the WGPC16 scorinator did.
    * I sympathise with Krainin and North Prarie, whose input was fine but who suffered from the bar being set very high by others. The sames goes for Gathered Nations of Privateers, whose writing was inspired, but whose driver dropped off towards the end of the season. The RP bonus for last season (and the season before iirc) was quite harsh to people who don't post every week. The default settings for the new scorinator are a little less punishing for users who can't necessarily get their race-RPing before every single race.
    * Speaking of high bars, I've set a reasonably high one for hosting by creating lots of pictures and stuff and making things reasonably neat and pretty. I did this because I can create images quickly, having been fiddling around with Paint.Net for NS stuff for five years or more. If I wasn't already half decent at it, I wouldn't have tried, as spending so long on little things like that would have burned me out. What I'm saying, if a little pompously, to any future host, is not to worry about the bells and whistles and not to spend hours fiddling with photoshop or something if you aren't already a dab hand at it. The RPers are more than capable of adding that type of flair themselves. I don't want running the WGPC to be like the Olympics wherein the host is burned out for the rest of the year. Ideally, now that we have a halfway decent and semi-automatic scorinator, setting up the season should be pretty intensive but, after the first race, should be simply a case of reading some very good RPs and pressing a couple of buttons twice a week.
    * I think home bonus might be too high. It's pretty much always been the case that home drivers do really well at circuits in their country, at least since season twelve, but is that necessarily realistic? And is it not also unfair for those users who have a team, or a driver, but not a circuit? I'd really rather the host was encouraged to choose the best circuits, not necessarily to choose ones from users who have teams in the interest of fairness (which is how I selected circuits last season), so I may try to add a home-bonus option to the scorinator next time I jiggle with it.
    * Liventia used to have team signups done by invitation only. IE users simply couldn't sign up a team unless invited. When I took over I made team signups open and selected the 12 I thought would be strongest. Last season I did a bit of both, and had 8-10 invitees and a couple extra spots for applicants, as well as a WGPC team for drivers left over. I'd recommend the next WGPC host does the same thing. It's good to be flexible and you don't want to miss out on the next MRT or Nexus by making team signups solely invitational.
    * I should have used the logos Lisander made last year for all of WGPC, WGP2 and WGP3. I'm going to have a play around with those soon.

None of the above points is particularly a pressing matter, but its worth reading for anyone looking to host in the future.
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Postby North Prarie » Mon May 28, 2018 2:46 pm

Audioslavia wrote:
Mattijana wrote:*snip*


Looks great, Mattijana. I'll let everyone settle into this new system before I start setting deadlines and dates for host voting etc.

Ethane wrote:I've been out of WGPC for a while, so can I have clarification as to what WGP3 is please?


The info should be in the OP. If you've already read it and are asking because I hadn't made it clear enough (which is very likely), WGP3 is pretty much the domestic series for every nation. If you'd like to run your own national championships, you can have it under the WGP3 banner (WGPC Tier 3: Ethane, for example) and put your RPs and results in the upcoming WGP3 thread. You don't have to run one, and if you run a national championships you don't even have to have it be any part of the WGPC brand.





* Speaking of high bars, I've set a reasonably high one for hosting by creating lots of pictures and stuff and making things reasonably neat and pretty. I did this because I can create images quickly, having been fiddling around with Paint.Net for NS stuff for five years or more. If I wasn't already half decent at it, I wouldn't have tried, as spending so long on little things like that would have burned me out. What I'm saying, if a little pompously, to any future host, is not to worry about the bells and whistles and not to spend hours fiddling with photoshop or something if you aren't already a dab hand at it. The RPers are more than capable of adding that type of flair themselves. I don't want running the WGPC to be like the Olympics wherein the host is burned out for the rest of the year. Ideally, now that we have a halfway decent and semi-automatic scorinator, setting up the season should be pretty intensive but, after the first race, should be simply a case of reading some very good RPs and pressing a couple of buttons twice a week.
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I would, however, like all the team graphics the same, since I want to design a nice chassis for all to see :P
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Postby Liventia » Mon May 28, 2018 3:30 pm

It's been a point brought up in other sports before, most notably the football World Cup (so much so they had to amend the Constitution to explicitly ban them), but to be clear, the optional extras shouldn't ever affect host voting for anything, so I would hope the usage (or lack of) of any graphics would be irrelevant when choosing a WGP2 host.

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Postby Audioslavia » Mon May 28, 2018 3:40 pm

Whoops. Copy and paste error somewhere. Fixed.

And yes, whatever amount of pretty pictures shouldn't be part of anyone's bid.

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Postby Vangaziland » Mon May 28, 2018 4:20 pm

Anybody interested in driving for VMR during the WGP2 can TG me. My 2nd driver should also be up for grabs, if anyone is already thinking about their team. Of course, it's too early for anything final. We need to see numbers. Still, those early worms can talk to me about the league anytime...
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Postby Audioslavia » Mon May 28, 2018 4:59 pm

Just before I retire for the evening, I've had a couple of problems with Practice events in the new scorinator. Times are a little too quick to be anything other than a small maths problem. I'm going to have a look at it tomorrow.

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Postby Aboveland » Mon May 28, 2018 5:10 pm

Audioslavia wrote:snip

I didn't quite get the reliability thing.

Also, I'm extremely biased, seeing as Terho's only WGP16 win was in Lintulahti, but in my opinion the home advantage isn't a massive game changer. Terho didn't dominate all weekend in Lintulahti, for instance, and Franssen retired from her home GP. It makes the winner likely, but not set in stone.

(and if we're going by realism, Terho should be in hospital)
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Postby Savojarna » Tue May 29, 2018 2:32 am

Aboveland wrote:
Audioslavia wrote:snip
(and if we're going by realism, Terho should be in hospital)


That's not a scorinator consequence though, is it? I think the scorinator should allow for maximum realism.
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Postby Esmerel » Tue May 29, 2018 6:31 am

Aboveland wrote:
Audioslavia wrote:snip

I didn't quite get the reliability thing.

Also, I'm extremely biased, seeing as Terho's only WGP16 win was in Lintulahti, but in my opinion the home advantage isn't a massive game changer. Terho didn't dominate all weekend in Lintulahti, for instance, and Franssen retired from her home GP. It makes the winner likely, but not set in stone.

(and if we're going by realism, Terho should be in hospital)


well at the same time, it was an Esmerelian hospital Terho was cared for at, which definitely accelerated the recovery. yes it’s not necessarily realism but the scorinator didn’t specifically say Terho crashed really hard at turn 10 and almost broke his neck.

additionally, regarding home field advantage, you had Franssen retire from her home GP and Jean dominate every session. RNG can be wild, that’s a certainty.
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Postby Vangaziland » Tue May 29, 2018 11:04 am

The only thing about the example of Jess dropping out is that Jang still won that.. lol

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Postby Mattijana » Tue May 29, 2018 11:15 am

Vangaziland wrote:The only thing about the example of Jess dropping out is that Jang still won that.. lol


That’s very true, but then my team didn’t do amazingly well at their own circuit which in theory they should have done well at regardless of whether they owned it or not.

All in all, host bonus doesn’t worry me too much. It might need to be dumbed down a little bit, but I don’t think it needs to go entirely as its realistic that a team and drivers who know their circuit well and are racing in front of a home crowd will do well.
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Postby Audioslavia » Tue May 29, 2018 12:50 pm

I found the problem (too many drivers were hitting exact lap records in practice) and adjusted the scorinator (added a random factor present in practice events in all previous iterations of the scorinator but somehow absent from this one). I've also tweaked a couple of things and added the capability to change home bonus for drivers and teams.

See here for more info. The link to the scorinator is the same as before.
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Postby Ethane » Tue May 29, 2018 5:10 pm

So is a WGPC Tier 3 event run much like you would run a domestic football league/tournament, or is it run more like Drawkland's marching band tournaments? (eg. more exclusive, individual sportswires, everyone scores their own with their own people, or shared RP thread with different countries hosting different racing tournaments)?

EDIT: I just found the bit in the OP which talks about it and saw about the WGPC: Tier 3 Thread, don't worry.
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Postby -Anthor- » Tue May 29, 2018 9:01 pm

Throwing my hat out there for a WGP3 series, I've been experimenting with running a domestic season in the background with Audio's scorinator and think I've figured it out and gotten comfortable
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Postby Esmerel » Thu May 31, 2018 6:12 pm

On a side note, I'd like to present the mostly but not complete livery Obey Sport GP- or should I say Brutus Obey Sport GP, will be using in the upcoming WGP2 season!

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edit: yes i noticed that in the case of mattijana hosting the next WGP2 (which i am in support of) petrovi tyres would be required but I dunno what those look like yet and displaying a car without any tyres doesn’t look good, right?
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:05 am

Hi, all! Working on my final post for WGPC 16 now; should be up within the next couple of hours.

As for WGP2, I would be in support of your bid, Mattijana, were it not for the ominous line 'Engines may be built by the team, but their type will be regulated, with specifications tbc.'. Depending on what those regulations are, Nexus Racing might not be able to enter at all. Could you clarify?
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Postby Tobiasia » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:46 am

I would like to sign up a team for the Grand Prix organisation can someone explain how i do this?
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:09 am

Tobiasia wrote:I would like to sign up a team for the Grand Prix organisation can someone explain how i do this?

Hi! The WGPO (World Grand Prix Organisation) is not a tournament in itself; instead, it's the overarching banner for a group of connected NationStates single-seater tournaments. If you'd like to get involved, your best shot would be to sign up for the World Grand Prix Tier 2 (WGP2), which should be starting at any time within the next few months; I don't doubt that it'll be announced in this thread when signups begin, so watch this space! Just a note: most people would probably suggest you get started with roleplaying a driver rather than a whole team, since the latter can be a lot of work. That said, entirely new people have entered teams to great success (myself included), so don't be too dissuaded if you feel that you're up to it!
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