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Postby Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 1:10 pm

There are many religions that are homophobic and transphobic towards members of the LGBTQ community saying that 'it's not god's will.' to them I say, 'was it's god's will for you to be hateful towards a large section of the human race?' God doesn't hate anyone, that's like, his thing.
I think that it's horrible that some people are so hateful.
what are your thoughts on this?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 23, 2018 1:11 pm

Celledora wrote:There are many religions that are homophobic and transphobic towards members of the LGBTQ community saying that 'it's not god's will.' to them I say, 'was it's god's will for you to be hateful towards a large section of the human race?' God doesn't hate anyone, that's like, his thing.
what are your thoughts on this?


Is this coming off the back of Pope Francis saying that homosexuality is indeed God's will?
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Postby Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 1:12 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Celledora wrote:There are many religions that are homophobic and transphobic towards members of the LGBTQ community saying that 'it's not god's will.' to them I say, 'was it's god's will for you to be hateful towards a large section of the human race?' God doesn't hate anyone, that's like, his thing.
what are your thoughts on this?


Is this coming off the back of Pope Francis saying that homosexuality is indeed God's will?

no, it's just stuff that I've heard on the streets, I didn't do any particular research.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 1:15 pm

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed May 23, 2018 1:27 pm

Homosexuality is sinful, but it is something that should be dealt with pastorally, in private between priest and parishioner, and there shouldn't be shame in admitting to such inclinations.
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Postby Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 1:28 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Homosexuality is sinful, but it is something that should be dealt with pastorally, in private between priest and parishioner, and there shouldn't be shame in admitting to such inclinations.

homosexuality is not sinful, it is just the way people are.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 1:29 pm

Celledora wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Homosexuality is sinful, but it is something that should be dealt with pastorally, in private between priest and parishioner, and there shouldn't be shame in admitting to such inclinations.

homosexuality is not sinful, it is just the way people are.

People are sinful. :^)
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Postby Hiral » Wed May 23, 2018 1:30 pm

Celledora wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Homosexuality is sinful, but it is something that should be dealt with pastorally, in private between priest and parishioner, and there shouldn't be shame in admitting to such inclinations.

homosexuality is not sinful, it is just the way people are.

The people are sinful because of their homosexuality
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Postby Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 1:30 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Celledora wrote:homosexuality is not sinful, it is just the way people are.

People are sinful. :^)

people in general do kind of suck, but members of the LGBTQ community do not suck any more than straight people.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 23, 2018 1:31 pm

I consider myself a very devout and religious person but I have no problem with homosexuality. I'm bisexual myself and my faith has no strict prohibitions on homosexuality like the Abrahamic religions.

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Postby Dylar » Wed May 23, 2018 1:31 pm

Celledora wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:People are sinful. :^)

people in general do kind of suck, but members of the LGBTQ community do not suck any more than straight people.

And you are correct, but they are still sinful regardless.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 1:32 pm

Celledora wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:People are sinful. :^)

people in general do kind of suck, but members of the LGBTQ community do not suck any more than straight people.

I don't involve myself with such activities personally, but I think it is certainly possible
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Postby Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 1:32 pm

Hiral wrote:
Celledora wrote:homosexuality is not sinful, it is just the way people are.

The people are sinful because of their homosexuality

I say no. I am a member of the LGBTQ community and I find it extremely rude that people are being consistently homophobic.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed May 23, 2018 1:34 pm

Celledora wrote:There are many religions that are homophobic and transphobic towards members of the LGBTQ community saying that 'it's not god's will.' to them I say, 'was it's god's will for you to be hateful towards a large section of the human race?' God doesn't hate anyone, that's like, his thing.
I think that it's horrible that some people are so hateful.
what are your thoughts on this?


You are correct to say that God does not hate anyone. But he certainly disapproves of certain actions, and that is where the theological debate comes into the picture.
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Postby Dylar » Wed May 23, 2018 1:34 pm

Celledora wrote:
Hiral wrote:The people are sinful because of their homosexuality

I say no. I am a member of the LGBTQ community and I find it extremely rude that people are being consistently homophobic.

And I'm a liar from time to time. Is it liarphobic if I am constantly being told that lying is a sin and I shouldn't do it?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 23, 2018 1:35 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't think God has emotions

Pretty much this. Emotions are a uniquely human thing especially guilt which many animals don’t have
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 23, 2018 1:35 pm

Dylar wrote:
Celledora wrote:I say no. I am a member of the LGBTQ community and I find it extremely rude that people are being consistently homophobic.

And I'm a liar from time to time. Is it liarphobic if I am constantly being told that lying is a sin and I shouldn't do it?

Homosexuality isn't a choice. Lying is.

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Postby Reikoku » Wed May 23, 2018 1:35 pm

Homophobia is a big problem in religion, though its dying down as information spreads and people more and more become aware that homosexuality is not sinful or a choice, just a normal sexual orientation that harms no one. I know of a couple of churches which accept gay people, which gives me hope.
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Postby Terrasian » Wed May 23, 2018 1:35 pm

Celledora wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Is this coming off the back of Pope Francis saying that homosexuality is indeed God's will?

no, it's just stuff that I've heard on the streets, I didn't do any particular research.



It's his will that we are how we are, is it not?

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Postby Zone 71 » Wed May 23, 2018 1:35 pm

Dylar wrote:
Celledora wrote:I say no. I am a member of the LGBTQ community and I find it extremely rude that people are being consistently homophobic.

And I'm a liar from time to time. Is it liarphobic if I am constantly being told that lying is a sin and I shouldn't do it?

Lying is a voluntary action. Homosexuality is a form of sexual identity coming from genetics. That is a terrible analogy. Your point is moot.

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Postby Purgatio » Wed May 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Dylar wrote:
Celledora wrote:I say no. I am a member of the LGBTQ community and I find it extremely rude that people are being consistently homophobic.

And I'm a liar from time to time. Is it liarphobic if I am constantly being told that lying is a sin and I shouldn't do it?


Lying is absolutely a choice, but the weight of scientific evidence makes it crystal-clear that homosexuality is biological and innate, if you consider homosexuality sinful you are hating an entire section of the population who were born exactly that way
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Postby Dylar » Wed May 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Zone 71 wrote:
Dylar wrote:And I'm a liar from time to time. Is it liarphobic if I am constantly being told that lying is a sin and I shouldn't do it?

Lying is a voluntary action. Homosexuality is a form of sexual identity coming from genetics. That is a terrible analogy. Your point is moot.

Not really. Homosexual acts such as dating, gay marriage, or gay sex are entirely voluntary. And that is sinful. Homosexual inclinations, as in simply being attracted to the same sex is not a sin as long as you are not acting upon it.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Reikoku wrote:Homophobia is a big problem in religion, though its dying down as information spreads and people more and more become aware that homosexuality is not sinful or a choice, just a normal sexual orientation that harms no one. I know of a couple of churches which accept gay people, which gives me hope.

Aye. My sister-in-law's Methodist church has 4 gay members and they're treated pretty well. It's just a few of the older congregation who try their shit.

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Postby Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Reikoku wrote:Homophobia is a big problem in religion, though its dying down as information spreads and people more and more become aware that homosexuality is not sinful or a choice, just a normal sexual orientation that harms no one. I know of a couple of churches which accept gay people, which gives me hope.

that is great!
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 1:38 pm

Reikoku wrote:Homophobia is a big problem in religion, though its dying down as information spreads and people more and more become aware that homosexuality is not sinful or a choice, just a normal sexual orientation that harms no one. I know of a couple of churches which accept gay people, which gives me hope.

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