by San Lumen » Mon May 21, 2018 1:55 pm
by Torrocca » Mon May 21, 2018 1:57 pm
by San Lumen » Mon May 21, 2018 1:59 pm
Torrocca wrote:The two-house legislature of the US federal government arguably should, in this current system, be applied to state legislatures as well. Rural communities, being in the minority population, deserve an equal voice to urban communities.
by Xelsis » Mon May 21, 2018 2:00 pm
by San Lumen » Mon May 21, 2018 2:01 pm
Xelsis wrote:No, they shouldn't, but making the process for secession within a state (e.g., downstate Illinois splitting off from Chicago), would be nice, and help avoid some of the tensions and frustrations that come with urban domination.
by Freezic Vast » Mon May 21, 2018 2:01 pm
by Torrocca » Mon May 21, 2018 2:02 pm
San Lumen wrote:Torrocca wrote:The two-house legislature of the US federal government arguably should, in this current system, be applied to state legislatures as well. Rural communities, being in the minority population, deserve an equal voice to urban communities.
But populations are unequal so there is no way you could draw a state legislature to give a supposedly equal voice unless you dont believe in one man, one vote.
Why should someone in Hamilton County my states least populous county get more of a say than someone in Brooklyn?
by Sahansahiye Iran » Mon May 21, 2018 2:03 pm
by San Lumen » Mon May 21, 2018 2:04 pm
Freezic Vast wrote:Not everyone is saying that rural communities should have more representation than urban communities, it should be EQUAL representation, do you not understand the difference between what equal means?
What I want is propositional representative way of voting, similar to what the people of Scotland have when they vote for the Scottish Parliament, we need eletoral reform, and I think proportional representational voting is the best way to ensure equal representation fro rual and urban communities have an equal voice in government.
by Xelsis » Mon May 21, 2018 2:05 pm
San Lumen wrote:Xelsis wrote:No, they shouldn't, but making the process for secession within a state (e.g., downstate Illinois splitting off from Chicago), would be nice, and help avoid some of the tensions and frustrations that come with urban domination.
That is someone for a individual state to decide and I would not call it urban domination. Representation is based on population not land area.
by Uiiop » Mon May 21, 2018 2:05 pm
by Conserative Morality » Mon May 21, 2018 2:05 pm
Torrocca wrote:The two-house legislature of the US federal government arguably should, in this current system, be applied to state legislatures as well. Rural communities, being in the minority population, deserve an equal voice to urban communities.
by The United Lands of Ash » Mon May 21, 2018 2:06 pm
Torrocca wrote:San Lumen wrote:
But populations are unequal so there is no way you could draw a state legislature to give a supposedly equal voice unless you dont believe in one man, one vote.
Populations are unequal in states to, yet we have the two-house legislature at the federal level. It makes sense to have it at the state level, where less-populous counties can get an equal say to more-populous ones.Why should someone in Hamilton County my states least populous county get more of a say than someone in Brooklyn?
Why should a majority living in one small, condensed area get a say over everyone else living spread out and away from that area?
by Kvatchdom » Mon May 21, 2018 2:06 pm
by Uxupox » Mon May 21, 2018 2:06 pm
San Lumen wrote:Xelsis wrote:No, they shouldn't, but making the process for secession within a state (e.g., downstate Illinois splitting off from Chicago), would be nice, and help avoid some of the tensions and frustrations that come with urban domination.
That is someone for a individual state to decide and I would not call it urban domination. Representation is based on population not land area.
by Torrocca » Mon May 21, 2018 2:07 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Torrocca wrote:The two-house legislature of the US federal government arguably should, in this current system, be applied to state legislatures as well. Rural communities, being in the minority population, deserve an equal voice to urban communities.
Yes, my community in Maryland with 5% of the population should have the same representation as the other 95% of Maryland.
by San Lumen » Mon May 21, 2018 2:07 pm
Torrocca wrote:San Lumen wrote:
But populations are unequal so there is no way you could draw a state legislature to give a supposedly equal voice unless you dont believe in one man, one vote.
Populations are unequal in states to, yet we have the two-house legislature at the federal level. It makes sense to have it at the state level, where less-populous counties can get an equal say to more-populous ones.Why should someone in Hamilton County my states least populous county get more of a say than someone in Brooklyn?
Why should a majority living in one small, condensed area get a say over everyone else living spread out and away from that area?
by Neu Leonstein » Mon May 21, 2018 2:08 pm
by Freezic Vast » Mon May 21, 2018 2:08 pm
San Lumen wrote:Freezic Vast wrote:Not everyone is saying that rural communities should have more representation than urban communities, it should be EQUAL representation, do you not understand the difference between what equal means?
What I want is propositional representative way of voting, similar to what the people of Scotland have when they vote for the Scottish Parliament, we need eletoral reform, and I think proportional representational voting is the best way to ensure equal representation fro rual and urban communities have an equal voice in government.
If every county in a state had equal population than you could have equal representation but they dont so therefore equal representation as you want it is impossible.
Proportional representation often does not lead to a majority government. Ask someone from Israel a country than has never once had a majority government.
by San Lumen » Mon May 21, 2018 2:09 pm
Uxupox wrote:San Lumen wrote:
That is someone for a individual state to decide and I would not call it urban domination. Representation is based on population not land area.
i dunno about this. If for example the majority of NYC wants a pipeline to run through upstate New York while the residences of that area have a majority that do not want it. Who should get the final say?
by Conserative Morality » Mon May 21, 2018 2:09 pm
Uxupox wrote:San Lumen wrote:
That is someone for a individual state to decide and I would not call it urban domination. Representation is based on population not land area.
i dunno about this. If for example the majority of NYC wants a pipeline to run through upstate New York while the residences of that area have a majority that do not want it. Who should get the final say?
by Xelsis » Mon May 21, 2018 2:09 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon May 21, 2018 2:09 pm
by San Lumen » Mon May 21, 2018 2:10 pm
Freezic Vast wrote:San Lumen wrote:
If every county in a state had equal population than you could have equal representation but they dont so therefore equal representation as you want it is impossible.
Proportional representation often does not lead to a majority government. Ask someone from Israel a country than has never once had a majority government.
No it wouldn't, you don't need urban areas to have more representation than rural communities and vice versa, it's unequal representation that is only in favor of one area just because it has more people.
That's because other countries have multiple parties with more chance of winning seats, that won't happen in a country where it's completely dominated by two parties like the U.S.
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