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Postby Colorado-Kansas » Thu May 17, 2018 1:29 pm

The soulution... Leave Nunavut. I'd kill myself if I had to live in a wasteland also.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu May 17, 2018 1:29 pm

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And the weather never helps. Little to no sunlight can affect people’s moods drastically.

Not really, I’ve gone for 120 total months without sunlight in my lifetime, and I don’t feel suicidal any time. Hell, Ísland has one of the highest happiness ratings in the world.


That's you, though. According to research done, in Greenland for example, Inuit suicide rates are highest during summer, where they go long periods with sunlight and have midnight sun. I linked to the research in an earlier post.
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Postby New haven america » Thu May 17, 2018 1:43 pm

This isn't really uncommon for areas located in the Arctic though...
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu May 17, 2018 2:10 pm

New haven america wrote:This isn't really uncommon for areas located in the Arctic though...

What? I live in the arctic, and Ísland is one of the happiest and most prospering nations in the world.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu May 17, 2018 2:19 pm

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New haven america wrote:This isn't really uncommon for areas located in the Arctic though...

What? I live in the arctic, and Ísland is one of the happiest and most prospering nations in the world.


Aureumterra, that's good, but your nation's history and social makeup is probably different to that of the inhabitants of Nunavut. Just because your nation is happy and prosperous doesn't mean others in the Arctic circle are the same. Besides, yes, SAD and other emotional problems are very common in places that see reduced sunlight during winter.
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Postby Hediacrana » Thu May 17, 2018 2:25 pm

Hirota wrote:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/death-suicide-rates-among-inuit-kids-soar-over-rest-of-canada/article4426600/

There has been an observed trend of higher than average suicide rates amongst the Indigenous of canada for sometime. It seems that nothing has improved.


Exactly. Relevant:
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featu ... 23366.html

To fail to note that this is is more typical for Canada's Indigenous populations, and to relate it to the myriads of other problems those populations face is a really serious miss in the OP. That's how you get people talking about this region as one of the richest in the world (tip: just because it is in a well-off country does not mean that the community in question is wealthy too).
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Postby Sovaal » Thu May 17, 2018 2:31 pm

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And the weather never helps. Little to no sunlight can affect people’s moods drastically.

Not really, I’ve gone for 120 total months without sunlight in my lifetime, and I don’t feel suicidal any time. Hell, Ísland has one of the highest happiness ratings in the world.

You, and Iceland, are hardly the same as the Inuit and Nunavut.
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Postby New haven america » Thu May 17, 2018 4:35 pm

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New haven america wrote:This isn't really uncommon for areas located in the Arctic though...

What? I live in the arctic, and Ísland is one of the happiest and most prospering nations in the world.

Iceland is the exception, not the norm.

Greenland, Canada's Arctic Territories, Alaska, etc... all have high rates of depression, alcoholism, and suicide due to various environmental and historical reasons, things that Iceland doesn't have to deal with.
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Postby Hirota » Fri May 18, 2018 4:38 am

New haven america wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:What? I live in the arctic, and Ísland is one of the happiest and most prospering nations in the world.

Iceland is the exception, not the norm.

Greenland, Canada's Arctic Territories, Alaska, etc... all have high rates of depression, alcoholism, and suicide due to various environmental and historical reasons, things that Iceland doesn't have to deal with.


Iceland is the exception that proves the norm on the basis there is no aboriginal peoples in Iceland.

But I don't know if the claim about aboriginal peoples in the arctic holds true. Is there any data on the Siberian aboriginal folk and their comparable suicide rates?

More likely - given suicide amongst Native Americans is higher than the US average by some margin - it's not a geographical restriction.
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Postby Ryanasic » Fri May 18, 2018 9:25 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:SAD

heh.... the acronym makes sense
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 18, 2018 11:12 am

Hirota wrote:
New haven america wrote:Iceland is the exception, not the norm.

Greenland, Canada's Arctic Territories, Alaska, etc... all have high rates of depression, alcoholism, and suicide due to various environmental and historical reasons, things that Iceland doesn't have to deal with.


Iceland is the exception that proves the norm on the basis there is no aboriginal peoples in Iceland.

But I don't know if the claim about aboriginal peoples in the arctic holds true. Is there any data on the Siberian aboriginal folk and their comparable suicide rates?

More likely - given suicide amongst Native Americans is higher than the US average by some margin - it's not a geographical restriction.


It would be great to compare suicide rates with other countries in the Arctic. I can only tell you that Greenland and Nunavut have high rates, but these are places where Inuit live.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 18, 2018 11:30 am

Ok, I was reading a bit of suicide rate comparisons in the Arctic. Greenland has the highest rate, while Finland's has been steadily descending. Lithuania, however, also in the Arctic, has the second highest suicide rate.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri May 18, 2018 12:12 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Ok, I was reading a bit of suicide rate comparisons in the Arctic. Greenland has the highest rate, while Finland's has been steadily descending. Lithuania, however, also in the Arctic, has the second highest suicide rate.

Lithuania is not in the arctic, they prefer to be called Baltic
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Postby Senkaku » Fri May 18, 2018 12:23 pm

You'd be in a mental health crisis too if you had to deal with the Arctic night :p
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Fri May 18, 2018 12:24 pm

I am sorry to hear it. I have a good friend, a Canadian government employee (a meteorologist), who lives in Nunavut. He really likes the place. Hopefully, the problem will be addressed.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 18, 2018 12:25 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Ok, I was reading a bit of suicide rate comparisons in the Arctic. Greenland has the highest rate, while Finland's has been steadily descending. Lithuania, however, also in the Arctic, has the second highest suicide rate.

Lithuania is not in the arctic, they prefer to be called Baltic


I prefer to be referee to as cat. That being said, Arctic European countries do not have the same issues as the Inuit. So, using Finland or Iceland to draw comparisons is stupid.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri May 18, 2018 12:37 pm

Senkaku wrote:You'd be in a mental health crisis too if you had to deal with the Arctic night

Uh… we have 6 month nights here, and everyone here is perfectly fine
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 18, 2018 12:38 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You'd be in a mental health crisis too if you had to deal with the Arctic night

Uh… we have 6 month nights here, and everyone here is perfectly fine


That's you. Your situation is not the standard for every other nation in the Arctic.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri May 18, 2018 12:43 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You'd be in a mental health crisis too if you had to deal with the Arctic night

Uh… we have 6 month nights here, and everyone here is perfectly fine

You also have like 20 million hot spring bath thingos and outstanding hot dogs, so that's no surprise
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri May 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
New haven america wrote:This isn't really uncommon for areas located in the Arctic though...

What? I live in the arctic, and Ísland is one of the happiest and most prospering nations in the world.


Which is what I said.

More local counselors would help, who are tied into the local culture.

As for Iceland, the last I heard they were in a sever economic crisis. Weren't the leaders even being prosecuted for their fiscal actions?

https://www.economist.com/media/pdf/mel ... oyes-e.pdf
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri May 18, 2018 4:32 pm

Firaxin wrote:First, massively increase taxes for faster healthcare

Canadian healthcare's problem is structural rather than fiscal. Plus, given that they are already so taxed out, squeezing the paycheck earners even further doesn't seem like a good way to improve mental health.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri May 18, 2018 4:44 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You'd be in a mental health crisis too if you had to deal with the Arctic night

Uh… we have 6 month nights here, and everyone here is perfectly fine

Again, Icelanders =/= Inuit.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 18, 2018 4:48 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Uh… we have 6 month nights here, and everyone here is perfectly fine

Again, Icelanders =/= Inuit.


I've been trying to make him/her understand that but it doesn't seem to be sinking in.

The issue seems to be related to Inuit society, as both Nunavut and Greenland have high suicide rates, and both have large Inuit communities. In fact, I have seen articles that paint Greenland as a suicide capital of the world.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat May 19, 2018 3:55 am

Canada's Arctic Territories tend to struggle on multiple socioeconomic and societal fronts due to extreme isolation (we're talking about villages with barely 1000 people separated by thousands of kilometers of frozen wasteland with very few effective services or attractive jobs), and the lack of an actual economy (the best job one can acquire in Nunavut are all government-related).

The Arctic Territories need some damn good investments in its resources if you ask me. It would give our dear Inuits jobs and a feeling of hope and contribution.

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Postby Risottia » Sun May 20, 2018 6:15 am

Hirota wrote:It's probably fair to assume depression is correlative to suicide, so it's reasonable to assume depression is probably more common in Native American ancestry

Considering how Native Americans in the US are most likely to be extremely poor, not exactly a surprising deduction, Watson.
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