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Should the government fund arts?

Yes, unconditionally.
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Yes, as long as they don't criticize it.
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Yes, as long as their artistic merits are great enough.
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Yes, as long as they aren't financially feasible on their own.
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No.
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Postby Gospel Power » Fri May 11, 2018 12:45 pm

Art with nudity is outlawed here, all the other art checked with suspicion

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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 11, 2018 12:56 pm

Gospel Power wrote:Art with nudity is outlawed here, all the other art checked with suspicion

This is not roleplay.

Also, I wonder what are folks of your kind like if you can't bear just looking at a naked body :)
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Postby Gospel Power » Fri May 11, 2018 12:58 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:Art with nudity is outlawed here, all the other art checked with suspicion

This is not roleplay.

Also, I wonder what are folks of your kind like if you can't bear just looking at a naked body :)

Well, we don't look at women as an object, which Nudity and porn encourage

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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 11, 2018 12:59 pm

Gospel Power wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:This is not roleplay.

Also, I wonder what are folks of your kind like if you can't bear just looking at a naked body :)

Well, we don't look at women as an object, which Nudity and porn encourage

It's to the discretion of a woman what she wants her photos to encourage.
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Postby The Second Verhaus Regime » Fri May 11, 2018 1:00 pm

Hell no.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 11, 2018 1:01 pm

The Second Verhaus Regime wrote:Hell no.

Care to explain?
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Postby Gospel Power » Fri May 11, 2018 1:03 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:Well, we don't look at women as an object, which Nudity and porn encourage

It's to the discretion of a woman what she wants her photos to encourage.

She always can take a plane to other country and take those photos there, but she will not come back to my nation

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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 11, 2018 1:04 pm

Gospel Power wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:It's to the discretion of a woman what she wants her photos to encourage.

She always can take a plane to other country and take those photos there, but she will not come back to my nation

First, This. Is. An. OOC. FORUM!!!

Second, who cares where she takes them?
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Postby Gospel Power » Fri May 11, 2018 1:11 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:She always can take a plane to other country and take those photos there, but she will not come back to my nation

First, This. Is. An. OOC. FORUM!!!

Second, who cares where she takes them?

She can't return to our land, THE LAND MUST TO STAY PURE

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 11, 2018 2:15 pm

Gospel Power wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:First, This. Is. An. OOC. FORUM!!!

Second, who cares where she takes them?

She can't return to our land, THE LAND MUST TO STAY PURE

OOC means out of character. That means that this is talking about real life not made of fictional countries. General is not a roleplaying forum.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Fri May 11, 2018 2:28 pm

My instinct is to say yes since the arts are perennially underfunded as it is and they could use all the monetary help they can get. If I were an artist in a developed nation I'd feel there'd be much less risk of being censored by the govt if they were funding me than if I were being funded by a private individual or corporation, though obviously that's not true everywhere in the world.

However, arts funding is never going to be extremely popular with the general public, most of whom sadly don't appreciate (for a variety of reasons) the sort of art I feel has merit, and therefore I can understand democratically elected governments neglecting it to a certain extent. It makes me upset but I can see the reasoning. You've also got the even more understandable concern that whilst we sit burning money on expensive art, people are quite literally starving, dying etc. There's a balance somewhere.
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Postby Old Garcy » Tue May 15, 2018 1:27 pm

A better way of asking the question is "Should people be forced to pay for the arts?"
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue May 15, 2018 1:28 pm

Old Garcy wrote:A better way of asking the question is "Should people be forced to pay for the arts?"

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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue May 15, 2018 1:38 pm

Well, yes. Many forms of art would die without support, and culture is very important to the health of a nation.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 15, 2018 1:39 pm

Old Garcy wrote:A better way of asking the question is "Should people be forced to pay for the arts?"


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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue May 15, 2018 1:40 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Old Garcy wrote:A better way of asking the question is "Should people be forced to pay for the arts?"


Are you paying to post that?

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Postby NeoOasis » Tue May 15, 2018 7:02 pm

I want to say yes, but I'm not entirely sure why.

I do know government often funds artists to paint murals in public buildings or commission mounments. But government funding artists to just do art... I'm not sure I entirely support that idea. By that logic why shouldn't the government fund the humanities such as history or philiosophy?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 16, 2018 4:13 am

NeoOasis wrote:I want to say yes, but I'm not entirely sure why.

I do know government often funds artists to paint murals in public buildings or commission mounments. But government funding artists to just do art... I'm not sure I entirely support that idea. By that logic why shouldn't the government fund the humanities such as history or philiosophy?


I'm fairly certain that commissioning and funding artists to create art in public areas (this includes the outdoors) IS the definition of funding arts.

It gives artists a job and embellishes our public infrastructure.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed May 16, 2018 6:21 am

NeoOasis wrote:I want to say yes, but I'm not entirely sure why.

I do know government often funds artists to paint murals in public buildings or commission mounments. But government funding artists to just do art... I'm not sure I entirely support that idea. By that logic why shouldn't the government fund the humanities such as history or philiosophy?


It'd be nice.

It would be really nice if the government could cultivate a highly educated population that knows how to think critically, supporting the arts and sciences (including the humanities and history) would be a good step for that.

Assuming said government doesn't go authoritarian. It would have to be as hands-off as possible.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed May 16, 2018 9:49 am

Gospel Power wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:This is not roleplay.

Also, I wonder what are folks of your kind like if you can't bear just looking at a naked body :)

Well, we don't look at women as an object, which Nudity and porn encourage

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I’d say that the purposeful covering up of the naked body and sexuality helps create that objectification.

Anyway, men can be nude too.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed May 16, 2018 12:03 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:No. First of all, Arts aren't necessary, and second of all, if they can't survive on their own, they shouldn't.


That's debatable. Art may not be a physical good but it still has it's uses as a "service". And the state is supposed to provide goods for the people within it's country, right?

Should art be publicly funded? I guess it depends on whether the state would consider it "useful" enough to be funded and whether the people would actually appreciate it enough.

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Postby Ceolophysia » Wed May 16, 2018 12:09 pm

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Ceolophysia wrote:No. First of all, Arts aren't necessary, and second of all, if they can't survive on their own, they shouldn't.


That's debatable. Art may not be a physical good but it still has it's uses as a "service". And the state is supposed to provide goods for the people within it's country, right?

In my opinion, the government is not supposed to provide goods for the people within it's country, so my argument still stands.
Should art be publicly funded? I guess it depends on whether the state would consider it "useful" enough to be funded and whether the people would actually appreciate it enough.

I doubt that art that needs the state to be funded is going to be popular. If it was good, there would be people to buy it.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed May 16, 2018 12:12 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
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That's debatable. Art may not be a physical good but it still has it's uses as a "service". And the state is supposed to provide goods for the people within it's country, right?

In my opinion, the government is not supposed to provide goods for the people within it's country, so my argument still stands.
Should art be publicly funded? I guess it depends on whether the state would consider it "useful" enough to be funded and whether the people would actually appreciate it enough.

I doubt that art that needs the state to be funded is going to be popular. If it was good, there would be people to buy it.


What's the purpose of the government then? Not exist at all? Be the walking carpet for the private sector?

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Postby Ceolophysia » Wed May 16, 2018 12:14 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:In my opinion, the government is not supposed to provide goods for the people within it's country, so my argument still stands.

I doubt that art that needs the state to be funded is going to be popular. If it was good, there would be people to buy it.


What's the purpose of the government then? Not exist at all? Be the walking carpet for the private sector?

To provide protection and possibly infrastructure for the citizens.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed May 16, 2018 12:38 pm

My answer will be rather biased as I consider arts to be part of a well rounded education. Therefore yes, I do think the government should fund the arts. As for a bar, probably funding for basics, like music programs, and art classes (painting, sculpting, photography).
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