The right to political discrimination

[Nothreen]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-supporter-lawsuit-against-nyc-bar-tossed/2018/04/25/c71010a2-48f7-11e8-8082-105a446d19b8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.08e2f23db6fe

A judge from new York ruled against Trump supporter that was tossed from the bar (allegedly because his MAGA hat). The ruling said that the law doesn’t protect against political discrimination.

The bar’s lawyer pointed out that only religious beliefs are protected under state and city laws, saying that “supporting Trump is not a religion.”

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What are your thoughts about this issue (preferably not this particular case and its specific)?

I think that even if legally correct, such discrimination is harmful to society, since it encourage living in "partisan bubbles" and make civil discourse harder. However, I am not sure what could be the right way to fix it. I think that in certain cases people broadcast their politics in order to pick a fight with other costumers, and the removal of disturbance will be just.

[Firaxin]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-supporter-lawsuit-against-nyc-bar-tossed/2018/04/25/c71010a2-48f7-11e8-8082-105a446d19b8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.08e2f23db6fe

A judge from new York ruled against Trump supporter that was tossed from the bar (allegedly because his MAGA hat). The ruling said that the law doesn’t protect against political discrimination.

The bar’s lawyer pointed out that only religious beliefs are protected under state and city laws, saying that “supporting Trump is not a religion.”

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What are your thoughts about this issue (preferably not this particular case and its specific)?

I think that even if legally correct, such discrimination is harmful to society, since it encourage living in "partisan bubbles" and make civil discourse harder. However, I am not sure what could be the right way to fix it. I think that in certain cases people broadcast their politics in order to pick a fight with other costumers, and the removal of disturbance will be just.

I'm not sure whether or not this is true because I'm not a lawyer, but if we really don't have laws against political discrimination, then we should. It isn't fair for someone to be kicked out of their favorite restaurant just because you supported the political candidate that the owner was against.

[Albrenia]

Wouldn't that be covered under the 'creed' part of the anti-discrimination ideas? Or does that just mean that one band now?

Kicking someone out for wearing a hat is silly, as long as they aren't being otherwise disruptive.

[Risottia]

Wouldn't that be covered under the 'creed' part of the anti-discrimination ideas? Or does that just mean that one band now?

Kicking someone out for wearing a hat is silly, as long as they aren't being otherwise disruptive.

Depends on the hat and the place: If someone were wearing an SS-Totenkopf cap in a Jewish restaurant, or an NKVD cap at a reunion of Gulag survivors, they would be clearly attempting to provoke disorder, and I think those in charge of the reunion or the restaurant would be perfectly justified in asking them to leave - to the point of calling the police and having them escorted away if they don't comply.
Here we're talking about wearing a cap showing support for a legitimate party and candidate (legitimate enough to be elected to the local top office). As much as I loathe Trump, I don't see why this should be considered inappropriate behaviour.

[Ethel mermania]

Pretty much agree with the OP, while I think the bar owner is a typical nyc progressive moron, political speech is not protected in a private setting.

Hmmm. I wonder if that should be applied to bakers who don't want to bake a gay wedding cake.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Sigh
This is just gonna keep spiraling down
I just wanted a cake

[The Parkus Empire]

Not seeing the problem. If the owner says it's obnoxious, then why should he have to put up with it? It's his establishment, it's private property. It's NOT public property

[Xmara]

That’s stupid. All he did was wear a hat. Not like he was cussing people out or trying to fight Clinton supporters.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Business owner doing something stupid yet it's there right to eject someone from there place of business.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not seeing the problem. If the owner says it's obnoxious, then why should he have to put up with it? It's his establishment, it's private property. It's NOT public property

This. Over-extension of anti-discrimination statutes is actually a threat to small-business owners' freedom of expression.

[Ors Might]

As much as I dislike the policy of doing so, I can’t deny that private business owners should be allowed to eject people from their place of business, regardless of the reason why.

[Ethel mermania]

As much as I dislike the policy of doing so, I can’t deny that private business owners should be allowed to eject people from their place of business, regardless of the reason why.

What if they are niggers? Can you eject them then?


(Us law says you can not).

[Claorica]

The business owner technically has the right legally, though he isn't "in" the right morally.

It's idiotic.

[Ceolophysia]

I think it should be legal, as it's a private business. However, this business owner sounds like a horrible person. Trump supporters are not nazis, but even nazis should be allowed to eat and drink.

[Van Riebeeck Land]

I think it should be legal, as it's a private business. However, this business owner sounds like a horrible person. Trump supporters are not nazis, but even nazis should be allowed to eat and drink.

^Basically my view on the incident.^

[Asherahan]

Gulag?

[Asherahan]

I think it should be legal, as it's a private business. However, this business owner sounds like a horrible person. Trump supporters are not nazis, but even nazis should be allowed to eat and drink.

Nazis should be allowed to drink or eat?

No.

[Risottia]

As much as I dislike the policy of doing so, I can’t deny that private business owners should be allowed to eject people from their place of business, regardless of the reason why.

What if they are niggers? Can you eject them then?


(Us law says you can not).

One could always state he disliked their voices.
Which is quite idiotic and a comfy excuse to circumvent US laws.

[Risottia]

I think it should be legal, as it's a private business. However, this business owner sounds like a horrible person. Trump supporters are not nazis, but even nazis should be allowed to eat and drink.

Nazis should be allowed to drink or eat?

No.

Yes.

Possibly while confined in the Spandau prison.

[Eol Sha]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-supporter-lawsuit-against-nyc-bar-tossed/2018/04/25/c71010a2-48f7-11e8-8082-105a446d19b8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.08e2f23db6fe

A judge from new York ruled against Trump supporter that was tossed from the bar (allegedly because his MAGA hat). The ruling said that the law doesn’t protect against political discrimination.

The bar’s lawyer pointed out that only religious beliefs are protected under state and city laws, saying that “supporting Trump is not a religion.”

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What are your thoughts about this issue (preferably not this particular case and its specific)?

I think that even if legally correct, such discrimination is harmful to society, since it encourage living in "partisan bubbles" and make civil discourse harder. However, I am not sure what could be the right way to fix it. I think that in certain cases people broadcast their politics in order to pick a fight with other costumers, and the removal of disturbance will be just.

I have a hypothetical. Let's say you're pro-choice and you own a bar. A group of patrons walks in wearing t-shirt with a cartoon of fetuses being impaled printed on them. They don't disturb anyone or proselytize their viewpoint. They're just in-town for a pro-life convention. Should you have to serve them? Vice versa works as well.

[Eol Sha]

As much as I dislike the policy of doing so, I can’t deny that private business owners should be allowed to eject people from their place of business, regardless of the reason why.

What if they are niggers? Can you eject them then?


(Us law says you can not).

Absolutely not.

[Ceolophysia]

I think it should be legal, as it's a private business. However, this business owner sounds like a horrible person. Trump supporters are not nazis, but even nazis should be allowed to eat and drink.

Nazis should be allowed to drink or eat?

No.

Yes they should. They are also people. Just because they are very wrong doesn't mean they should starve or should not be allowed to have fun.

[Conserative Morality]

Supporting Trump absolutely is a religion - the man should sue.

[Eol Sha]

Nazis should be allowed to drink or eat?

No.

Yes they should. They are also people. Just because they are very wrong doesn't mean they should starve or should not be allowed to have fun.

Well, do they have a right to a job? If I'm an employer and a Nazi's beliefs violates the values of my business, do they have a right to work in my business?

[Ceolophysia]

Yes they should. They are also people. Just because they are very wrong doesn't mean they should starve or should not be allowed to have fun.

Well, do they have a right to a job? If I'm an employer and a Nazi's beliefs violates the values of my business, do they have a right to work in my business?

They have a negative right to get a job, but they don't have a right to work at your specific business, no.