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The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:06 pm

بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ

Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim (In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful)

السلم علكم

Assalaam o alakium (Peace be on you), and welcome to the fourth Islamic thread where individuals come together to discuss anything Islamic related.

I will lay a few basic rules for this thread:

1. Forum rules apply to this thread.
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10. Love one another as Allah loves us. Inshallah


Be on your best behavior and may Allah guide us all. Ameen.

May the Discussion start now!

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ModEdit: Thread title changed to introduce proper Arabic ٤
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:15 pm

Allahu akbar!
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:19 pm

!وَ عَلَيْكُم وَ رَحْمَةُ ٱللهِ وَ بَرَكاتُهُ
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:21 pm

Put the Arabic 4 in the title.
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:31 pm

I tried but I had issues with it
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:37 pm

Alright. I have a question for y'all. Do you consider Zoroastrians to be people or the book or no? What do you consider to be the qualifications for it? Just those said in the Quran?
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:42 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Alright. I have a question for y'all. Do you consider Zoroastrians to be people or the book or no? What do you consider to be the qualifications for it? Just those said in the Quran?

Yeah because they were given the Avesta.

Though from a historical context, because the Quran and Hadith often mentions specific scriptures such as the Torah, Gospel, and the Psalms, it's often associated with the Jews and Christians, but since the Quran doesn't reject the idea that books were sent to other countries and the fact that the Avesta has a small amount of references to the Tawhid of Allah or Ahura Mazda, plus placing lots of emphasis on good deeds much like Islam, I consider the Avesta to be a divine book although Allah placed that responsibility to Zoroaster (as) and then his later followers corrupted it to include multiple pagan and dualist influences
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:45 pm

Interestingly enough, Ahura Mazda can mean "Mighty Lord" in Persian. There are other translations for it as well but this is the one that I remembered.

Plus, the Avesta still contains multiple attributes of God in common with the Quran, such as "Merciful" and "All-Forgiving".
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:50 pm

Jolthig wrote:Interestingly enough, Ahura Mazda can mean "Mighty Lord" in Persian. There are other translations for it as well but this is the one that I remembered.

Plus, the Avesta still contains multiple attributes of God in common with the Quran, such as "Merciful" and "All-Forgiving".

Ahura Mazda can mean Mighty or Wise Lord.

Jolthig wrote:I consider the Avesta to be a divine book although Allah placed that responsibility to Zoroaster (as) and then his later followers corrupted it to include multiple pagan and dualist influences

You reject the dualism? Is this not also a major feature of Islam with Allah and Iblis? Or Christianity with God and Satan?
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:52 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Interestingly enough, Ahura Mazda can mean "Mighty Lord" in Persian. There are other translations for it as well but this is the one that I remembered.

Plus, the Avesta still contains multiple attributes of God in common with the Quran, such as "Merciful" and "All-Forgiving".

Ahura Mazda can mean Mighty or Wise Lord.

Jolthig wrote:I consider the Avesta to be a divine book although Allah placed that responsibility to Zoroaster (as) and then his later followers corrupted it to include multiple pagan and dualist influences

You reject the dualism? Is this not also a major feature of Islam with Allah and Iblis? Or Christianity with God and Satan?

Zoroastrians believe that there is a good god and a bad god who is their version of Satan and the bad god created all the bad in the world.

That's what I meant by dualism
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:03 pm

The poll is up
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:04 pm


I'll consider this your way of saying "tag"?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:09 pm

Jolthig wrote:

I'll consider this your way of saying "tag"?

Indeed! :)
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I'll consider this your way of saying "tag"?

Indeed! :)

Ok, that's fine then. :)
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:14 pm

I fixed the number problem.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:15 pm

That's not what 4 looks like. It's look like this: ٤
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:16 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:That's not what 4 looks like. It's look like this: ٤

You're right. My mistake
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:16 pm

Jolthig wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Ahura Mazda can mean Mighty or Wise Lord.


You reject the dualism? Is this not also a major feature of Islam with Allah and Iblis? Or Christianity with God and Satan?

Zoroastrians believe that there is a good god and a bad god who is their version of Satan and the bad god created all the bad in the world.

That's what I meant by dualism

Angra Mainyu is lower than Ahura Mazda. He is no more a god than Iblis either.
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:18 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:That's not what 4 looks like. It's look like this: ٤

I tried putting that number earlier today and it doesn't work for some reason.

So I went with someone's advice on their understanding of the number.

I may have to talk with a mod?
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:19 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Zoroastrians believe that there is a good god and a bad god who is their version of Satan and the bad god created all the bad in the world.

That's what I meant by dualism

Angra Mainyu is lower than Ahura Mazda. He is no more a god than Iblis either.

Still, he created the diseases of the world. Diseases are created by Allah himself since he is the creator of everything. Some are to punish those who disobey him after sending a prophet
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:20 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:That's not what 4 looks like. It's look like this: ٤

I tried putting that number earlier today and it doesn't work for some reason.

So I went with someone's advice on their understanding of the number.

I may have to talk with a mod?

I guess so. Try going to technical
Pro: (Pan-)Islamism--Palestine--RBG--Choice to an extent--Giving land back to Native Americans--East--Afrika--etc.
Anti: US gov--West gov--Capitalism--Imperialism/Colonialism--Racism/White Supremacy--Secularism getting into everything--Western 'intervention' in the East--Zionism--etc.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Jolthig » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:27 pm

Curious, who is the other Ahmadi who voted second?
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:39 pm

Why do Ahmadis get 3 sections but Shia only get 1? :P
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:41 pm

Jolthig wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Angra Mainyu is lower than Ahura Mazda. He is no more a god than Iblis either.

Still, he created the diseases of the world. Diseases are created by Allah himself since he is the creator of everything. Some are to punish those who disobey him after sending a prophet

Angra Mainyu doesn't create anything. It isn't even considered a singular entity to create something. It is evil, not the creator of evil.
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