[Suggestion] No Suppression Exhaustion for GCRs

[Pergamon]

Why does this mechanic exist? It makes no sense to me at all.
It just wastes my time when cleaning up from spam-attacks.

Even if there is an argument that brutal dicators (IC) or raiders (IC) should be restricted in their suppression ability. It doesn't actually restrict them, only slows them down.
So where is the point?

I want to be honest: This mechanic annoys me to no extent. For a long time now, to be fair. But since the latest spam attack - Enough is enough. I question the viability of this mechanic.

I do not mean this maliciously. I am just frustrated.

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Update:

This was the introduction to the following suggestion:

What if there would be no suppression exhaustion for GCRs?
At least the Pacific Regions and the Sinkers, the largest regions in the game, could respond better to spam and spam attacks in general.

Technically those are also the regions where new nations spawn and enter the game, or where nations that previously CTE'd are restored. I think that a fully spammed RMB in a GCR is discouraging - I speak from experience, my people have been quite upset about the spam. Regional Officers, which are basically incapable to respond adequately to spam, didn't actually make the situation better.

I think that it is also a relief to the moderation if GCR Officers would be able to suppress without exhaustion limitation, since they simply could deal with spam attacks on their own and then just report the spammers as usual, for their site rule violation.

However, Warzones should be excluded from this, as they are generally an R/D playground like User Created Regions.

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On additional note:

Thank you for the input so far!

1. Update:
- Illerasi's Idea included that Game Created Regions should not have Suppression Exhaustion.
- Krualstiken advise has been taken and the thread was re-constructed into a Suggestion.

2. Update:
- Trotterdam brought it up: Krualstiken's suggestion of making the Warzones an exception added.
- Added links to any original post.

Last Updated: 04.19.2018 / 20:00 GMT+1

[Arkhall]

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Why does this mechanic exist? It makes no sense to me at all.
It just wastes my time when cleaning up from spam-attacks.

Even if there is an argument that brutal dicators (IC) or raiders (IC) should be restricted in their suppression ability. It doesn't actually restrict them, only slows them down.
So where is the point?

I want to be honest: This mechanic annoys me to no extent. For a long time now, to be fair. But since the latest spam attack - Enough is enough. I question the viability of this mechanic.

I do not mean this maliciously. I am just frustrated.

Gotta keep in mind that suppression does clog up the regional happenings.

[Arkadia Universalis]

I have to say, I agree with the notion that this mechanic is rather unnecessary. It won’t stop suppression in any meaningful way, but it does prevent a regional officer from suppressing spam. I’d be in favor of removing it altogether.

[Big Bad Badger]

Agreed that this is an annoying and unnecessary thing. The people who caused this with suppression scripts should be punished, not the rest of us.

[Illerasi]

Personally, I think the GCRs should have this limit removed, as they are the regions where nations are founded, and thus the most spam attacked.

[Pergamon]

Personally, I think the GCRs should have this limit removed, as they are the regions where nations are founded, and thus the most spam attacked.

Agreed. Sounds fair.

[Frisbeeteria]

The people who caused this with suppression scripts should be punished, not the rest of us.

It's automated in the RMB code. Code can't read intent. It does what it does, without concern, without pity.

Personally, I think the GCRs should have this limit removed, as they are the regions where nations are founded, and thus the most spam attacked.

Not a horrible compromise. No idea if it's possible, but worth mentioning to Admins.

[Krualstiken]

The people who caused this with suppression scripts should be punished, not the rest of us.

It's automated in the RMB code. Code can't read intent. It does what it does, without concern, without pity.

Personally, I think the GCRs should have this limit removed, as they are the regions where nations are founded, and thus the most spam attacked.

Not a horrible compromise. No idea if it's possible, but worth mentioning to Admins.

@Pergamon feel free to edit your OP and title to make this a suggestion instead of a query. I'd put in support.

[Pergamon]

It's automated in the RMB code. Code can't read intent. It does what it does, without concern, without pity.


Not a horrible compromise. No idea if it's possible, but worth mentioning to Admins.

@Pergamon feel free to edit your OP and title to make this a suggestion instead of a query. I'd put in support.

Done.

The people who caused this with suppression scripts should be punished, not the rest of us.

It's automated in the RMB code. Code can't read intent. It does what it does, without concern, without pity.

Personally, I think the GCRs should have this limit removed, as they are the regions where nations are founded, and thus the most spam attacked.

Not a horrible compromise. No idea if it's possible, but worth mentioning to Admins.

That would be pretty great!

[Krualstiken]

+1 for good idea, +1,000 for spelling my name without a 'c'

Oh also, @pergamon, I'm Arkhall and Illerasi. I change puppets a lot because I manage a lot of things, and it changes my forum login as well.

[Tim-Opolis]

Full support for removing this limit to the GCRs. Suppression Exhaustion was made as a deterrent to tag raiding, and particularly the supression scripts of groups like DEN and The Invaders. Since GCRs aren't getting regularly visited by tag raiders, the day-to-day issues that come from not being able to effectively moderate a very quickly moving RMB seem pertinent enough that an exception would be granted for the Feeder and Sinker regions from the rate. It certainly makes sense to keep around for UCRs, as the suppression scripts that led to this policy being instituted are still flowing around, but GCR's shouldn't have to deal with this.

[Trotterdam]

Warzones are technically also GCRs, but they get much less traffic and are prone to raiding (that's the point). What about them?

[Krualstiken]

Warzones are technically also GCRs, but they get much less traffic and are prone to raiding (that's the point). What about them?

The point was more that the Pacifics, Lazarus, and Osiris are founding/refounding centers for nations, and thus the largest and easiest target for spam. Warzones should not be included in this at all.

[Wrapper]

Warzones are technically also GCRs, but they get much less traffic and are prone to raiding (that's the point). What about them?

Makes sense to me, if it's feasible, to limit it to feeders and sinkers, not warzones.

[Conservative Values]

I was one of the people whose region was hit with the suppression script back in the bad old days. It's one of those tools that came out of a bad time in R/D when an awful lot of players somehow weren't able to put even a basic smell test to their own actions. It had no gameplay purpose beyond wasting the time of someone you wanted to bother, and had no root in anything but being angry and mean spirited on a site that is supposed to be a game. We definitely don't want to go back there in my opinion.

It should also be pointed out that just because GCR isn't going to be tag raided doesn't mean this is something GCRs don't have to worry about. JAL mod bombed himself as Delegate. Milo knew he had lost for a long time before it was over. Are you telling me you think it is hard to see either of those players using a script that would have moved the suppress button in a way they could just mash it (or say they mashed while it works fully automatically) for a couple hours and cause a massive headache for the people that were about to take back the region? That actually doesn't seem that hard for me to picture.

An easier solution (IMO) would have been an un-suppress all button (similar to the button that clears the whole banlist) that would have rendered those trashy scripts essentially useless. The entire point was much the same as the spammer above - they liked the thought of wasting someone's time because it takes two clicks to undo a suppression and multiply that by thousands of posts... If we could have made it so cleaning up took half a second those scripts would have been abandoned that day.

Or even a hard coded limit that posts can only be suppressed if they're on the front page and / or were posted in the last day or two. I think there were probably a lot of ways to prevent the abuse that were less intrusive, but this was the quickest and easiest way that didn't involve Moderators having a new Gameplay rule to enforce.

Why would a true "spam attack" be handled by Regional Officers anyway? That seems like something you should report via GHR and then not give feedback to the spammer. If they're posting a bunch of messages about you not being able to stop them (as your screenshot seems to indicate) you're probably making the situation worse by showing them how much they're annoying you. Just my non-modly two cents. It looks like that guy was out to get a rise out of you, and you let him know it worked.

[Krualstiken]

Why would a true "spam attack" be handled by Regional Officers anyway? That seems like something you should report via GHR and then not give feedback to the spammer. If they're posting a bunch of messages about you not being able to stop them (as your screenshot seems to indicate) you're probably making the situation worse by showing them how much they're annoying you. Just my non-modly two cents. It looks like that guy was out to get a rise out of you, and you let him know it worked

GHRs aren't always answered quickly. The mods and admins are volunteers, they have school, jobs, etc. 10-30 minutes without moderation is easily dozens of pages of spam, and since they're founding/refounding regions, some won't know not to quote the spam.

[Pergamon]

+1 for good idea, +1,000 for spelling my name without a 'c'

Oh also, @pergamon, I'm Arkhall and Illerasi. I change puppets a lot because I manage a lot of things, and it changes my forum login as well.

Thank you for this information. But just to find the posts again, I will leave the names of the nations that posted it (despite you being the same player behind them) and furthermore I hyperlink the posts now, just to have a nice overview.

I was one of the people whose region was hit with the suppression script back in the bad old days. It's one of those tools that came out of a bad time in R/D when an awful lot of players somehow weren't able to put even a basic smell test to their own actions. It had no gameplay purpose beyond wasting the time of someone you wanted to bother, and had no root in anything but being angry and mean spirited on a site that is supposed to be a game. We definitely don't want to go back there in my opinion.

It should also be pointed out that just because GCR isn't going to be tag raided doesn't mean this is something GCRs don't have to worry about. JAL mod bombed himself as Delegate. Milo knew he had lost for a long time before it was over. Are you telling me you think it is hard to see either of those players using a script that would have moved the suppress button in a way they could just mash it (or say they mashed while it works fully automatically) for a couple hours and cause a massive headache for the people that were about to take back the region? That actually doesn't seem that hard for me to picture.

An easier solution (IMO) would have been an un-suppress all button (similar to the button that clears the whole banlist) that would have rendered those trashy scripts essentially useless. The entire point was much the same as the spammer above - they liked the thought of wasting someone's time because it takes two clicks to undo a suppression and multiply that by thousands of posts... If we could have made it so cleaning up took half a second those scripts would have been abandoned that day.

Or even a hard coded limit that posts can only be suppressed if they're on the front page and / or were posted in the last day or two. I think there were probably a lot of ways to prevent the abuse that were less intrusive, but this was the quickest and easiest way that didn't involve Moderators having a new Gameplay rule to enforce.

Why would a true "spam attack" be handled by Regional Officers anyway? That seems like something you should report via GHR and then not give feedback to the spammer. If they're posting a bunch of messages about you not being able to stop them (as your screenshot seems to indicate) you're probably making the situation worse by showing them how much they're annoying you. Just my non-modly two cents. It looks like that guy was out to get a rise out of you, and you let him know it worked.

I think this is unwise. Since the RMBs of GCRs are extensively large and there are messages that need to stay suppressed, especially subversive ones.

Warzones are technically also GCRs, but they get much less traffic and are prone to raiding (that's the point). What about them?

The point was more that the Pacifics, Lazarus, and Osiris are founding/refounding centers for nations, and thus the largest and easiest target for spam. Warzones should not be included in this at all.

Good point! I will add the Warzone exception!

[Lord Dominator]

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Why does this mechanic exist? It makes no sense to me at all.
It just wastes my time when cleaning up from spam-attacks.

Even if there is an argument that brutal dicators (IC) or raiders (IC) should be restricted in their suppression ability. It doesn't actually restrict them, only slows them down.
So where is the point?

I want to be honest: This mechanic annoys me to no extent. For a long time now, to be fair. But since the latest spam attack - Enough is enough. I question the viability of this mechanic.

I do not mean this maliciously. I am just frustrated.

Gotta keep in mind that suppression does clog up the regional happenings.

Who the heckle cares about what the regional happenings looks like, especially in GCRs?

[Frisbeeteria]

GHRs aren't always answered quickly. The mods and admins are volunteers, they have school, jobs, etc. 10-30 minutes without moderation is easily dozens of pages of spam, and since they're founding/refounding regions, some won't know not to quote the spam.

I made that point elsewhere. I happened to be online during the spam attack, and was able to deal with them quickly and block further attacks. Had I stepped out half an hour earlier, the region would probably have suffered another 2-3 hours of concentrated spamming. It wasn't one word posts, either - it was massive walls of text specifically designed to be disruptive.

Who the heckle cares about what the regional happenings looks like, especially in GCRs?

Lots of people. TNP has a very active RP going on via their RMB, and other GCRs have equally valid conversations that they don't like disrupted. The fact that you aren't impacted by RMB spam is no reason to ignore those who are.

[Lord Dominator]

GHRs aren't always answered quickly. The mods and admins are volunteers, they have school, jobs, etc. 10-30 minutes without moderation is easily dozens of pages of spam, and since they're founding/refounding regions, some won't know not to quote the spam.

I made that point elsewhere. I happened to be online during the spam attack, and was able to deal with them quickly and block further attacks. Had I stepped out half an hour earlier, the region would probably have suffered another 2-3 hours of concentrated spamming. It wasn't one word posts, either - it was massive walls of text specifically designed to be disruptive.

Who the heckle cares about what the regional happenings looks like, especially in GCRs?

Lots of people. TNP has a very active RP going on via their RMB, and other GCRs have equally valid conversations that they don't like disrupted. The fact that you aren't impacted by RMB spam is no reason to ignore those who are.

No, no, I was responding to what I saw as someone saying the limit shouldn't be removed because of the regional happenings thingy, which I remember as that scrolling thing of nation foundings (among many things), and was wondering why anyone cares what that looks like, particularly in GCRs were any number of suppression notices will be buried in (re)foundings inside of an hour.

[Arkhall]

I made that point elsewhere. I happened to be online during the spam attack, and was able to deal with them quickly and block further attacks. Had I stepped out half an hour earlier, the region would probably have suffered another 2-3 hours of concentrated spamming. It wasn't one word posts, either - it was massive walls of text specifically designed to be disruptive.


Lots of people. TNP has a very active RP going on via their RMB, and other GCRs have equally valid conversations that they don't like disrupted. The fact that you aren't impacted by RMB spam is no reason to ignore those who are.

No, no, I was responding to what I saw as someone saying the limit shouldn't be removed because of the regional happenings thingy, which I remember as that scrolling thing of nation foundings (among many things), and was wondering why anyone cares what that looks like, particularly in GCRs were any number of suppression notices will be buried in (re)foundings inside of an hour.

That's... Not what I said.

Gotta keep in mind that suppression does clog up the regional happenings.

I wasn't saying that I was against it in the slightest. I'm all for it, even.

[Lord Dominator]

No, no, I was responding to what I saw as someone saying the limit shouldn't be removed because of the regional happenings thingy, which I remember as that scrolling thing of nation foundings (among many things), and was wondering why anyone cares what that looks like, particularly in GCRs were any number of suppression notices will be buried in (re)foundings inside of an hour.

That's... Not what I said.

Gotta keep in mind that suppression does clog up the regional happenings.

I wasn't saying that I was against it in the slightest. I'm all for it, even.

Oh cool, I just assumed (apparently too much) based on my perceived tone of your post
Oops

[Arkhall]

That's... Not what I said.


I wasn't saying that I was against it in the slightest. I'm all for it, even.

Oh cool, I just assumed (apparently too much) based on my perceived tone of your post
Oops

No worries <3

[Frisbeeteria]

No, no, I was responding to what I saw ...

Oops. Happenings != Messageboard. I missed that.

And there's value to keeping the Happenings fairly clean. Nobody likes to scroll through 20 pages of suppressions to see who just got founded.

[Aclion]

No, no, I was responding to what I saw ...

Oops. Happenings != Messageboard. I missed that.

And there's value to keeping the Happenings fairly clean. Nobody likes to scroll through 20 pages of suppressions to see who just got founded.

Isn't that exactly what the filters are for?