by Elberiande » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:51 am
by Trotterdam » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:17 am
by Drasnia » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:05 pm
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:18 am
Trotterdam wrote:The one result I do find questionable is repealing Devolution, because it seems entirely plausible for a sortition-based government to have policitians for local constituencies be selected from lotteries including only residents of those constituencies, and to give significant power to those randomly-selected local governments.
by Trotterdam » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:59 am
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:05 am
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:06 am
Trotterdam wrote:(I've said before that I think the Autocracy policy shouldn't be shown in the presence of Sortition. They're entirely different ways of not having elections.)
by Trotterdam » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:21 am
My previous argument on the subject can be read here, if you're interested.Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Autocracy is just the absence of elections, by game definition, and is a binary status. Could probably be implemented as you say. Will talk on that one as well.
Trotterdam wrote:Also, should nations with "Sortition" (which I confirmed is listed as a policy) also get "Autocracy"? While the description of "Autocracy", "The nation does not hold democratic elections.", is technically applicable to these nations, the word "autocracy" itself is not. In fact, sortition is the opposite of autocracy because it appoints people who never did anything to put themselves in power, not even run for office, and so certainly are not ruling solely by self-proclaimed authority.
I am aware that binary statuses are easier to code, which is why policies tend to work that way behind-the-scenes, but they're not always the most intuitive model for player-displayed policies.Trotterdam wrote:I feel that it is pointless to display both policies, because there is no such thing as a sortition that does hold elections.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:24 am
by Trotterdam » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:35 am
Oh, quite a few oddities have been emerging with my new programCandlewhisper Archive wrote:Yeah, the whole player-displayed policies thing has been erratically implemented, not through any fault of the technical team, but because of the complexity of the task. Sometimes oddities are only emergent after time.
by Elberiande » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:18 pm
Drasnia wrote:Hi! Author of the issue here Could you tell me what made you think any government election would be kept? I'd like to know so I can help you understand why you got the effects you did, as It seems to me that the option is pretty explicit in telling you government positions will be filled by sortition. I wrote it to be pretty clear and the editors kept it that way.
Cheers!
EDIT: Fixed punctuation
by Trotterdam » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:27 pm
Candlewhisper did not say those things. I did. You appear to have overlooked the other things that I also said:Elberiande wrote:As Candlewhisper has said Sortition and Autocracy are extremely different systems of absences of election,
Trotterdam wrote:More generally, the game just isn't geared to track that much nuance about different governing bodies - the most important governing body in your nation is now undemocratic, and any others are left to your imagination.
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