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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:06 pm

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/0 ... er-states/

A billionaire from Silicon Valley has supposedly submitted 600,000 signatures to the Secretary of State's office for a referendum to split California into three states. It's not officially on the ballot as signatures must still be verified.
This is not the first time its been proposed nor will it the last. Tim Draper the man behind this proposed a similar referendum in 2016 but it failed to get the required signatures upon scrutiny by the Secretary of State.

I think this is a absurd idea that if it gets to the ballot is even more unlikely to pass. The populous coastal counties are unlikely to go for it and there is simply not enough votes in the interior to overcome them.

If by some miracle it did I doubt the State legislature or Congress would approve it as no state can be formed out of another without the consent of that state.

That's not even getting into potential issues with splitting the state. For example there are 10 University of California campuses. Imagine a family in Los Angeles having to pay out of state tuition to got to Berkeley. Water rights could be another sticking point. Not to mention its also a power grab to try and get more electoral votes and representatives in Congress.

Update: it is officially on the ballot. It has virtually no chance of passing. A recent poll shows 72 percent against. Only a fringe minority supports this wacky idea.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-go ... 01129.html

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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:10 pm

One of them better be the state of Jefferson or its heresy.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:11 pm

It would seem that the biggest backer merely claims to have gathered enough signatures, but I'm naturally skeptical of this claim. If he garnered enough valid signatures, I think (and correct me if I'm wrong), that actually getting this on the ballot could still be difficult.

But, in the scenario this somehow lands on the ballot, it would probably be defeated by a large margin. As interesting as the idea sounds from a perspective of it being, well, merely interesting, the logistics of such an idea would just be crazy. Not to mention, the state and federal government would never approve of this even if it was on the ballot and miraculously passed.

I'll call it a total non-issue.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:11 pm

The Underground Movement Union wrote:One of them better be the state of Jefferson or its heresy.

Northern California would technically be that.

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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Underground Movement Union wrote:One of them better be the state of Jefferson or its heresy.

Northern California would technically be that.

I know, hence why I said that in the first place.
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Postby New Emeline » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:12 pm

Why do they want to do this?
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Postby Likar » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:13 pm

New Emeline wrote:Why do they want to do this?
I live in CA. They want out and become three states so I can believe that they can try to split
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:13 pm

New Emeline wrote:Why do they want to do this?

Dilute voting power for one and anger in some interior counties that they are outvoted by the coast. I very much doubt this would pass if it got to the ballot and even if it did Sacramento would never approve it.

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New Emeline wrote:Why do they want to do this?

To level out the playing field in favor of smaller states during national elections and to give political and other minorities a voice.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:14 pm

Pretty much every Californian besides those that signed:
"This stupid shit again?"

I would not be the least bit surprised if it turns out a slew of those signatures fail verification. And in the extremely unlikely situation of it making it to the ballot, it's not going to pass. Just like the Texas secessionists, just like the California secessionists, and so on, this is not a thing the vast, overwhelming majority of people want. It is the fringe obsession of a microscopic fraction of the population, a few of which happen to be particularly loud about it rather than anything remotely representative of the real world. Every flavor of "divide California!" that has been proposed (and this has been a thing for decades) hasn't come anywhere close to succeeding.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:15 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Why do they want to do this?

To level out the playing field in favor of smaller states during national elections and to give political and other minorities a voice.


Smaller states already have more power. This proposal wouldn't give any minority a voice.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:32 pm

I support pretty much anything that dismantles California, though odds are it won't succeed.
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Postby Van Hool Islands » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:36 pm

I wouldn't mind an independent Jefferson/Norcal. That part has always seemed more like Oregon or Washington to me than the rest of California, so it would make sense to create a new state. However, I don't see such a thing actually happening.
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Postby The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:36 pm

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I am actually kinda excited to see where the referendum will go, I hope some actual change will happen, more stars for our flag and less Californian power in the Congress
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:40 pm

Funny how this is always about destroying the state's voting power.
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Postby The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:Funny how this is always about destroying the state's voting power.

We don't trust California...
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:42 pm

I don't know what to say anymore. As a person living in California at the moment, I think this is ridiculous. If Fresno wants to leave, I wouldn't miss them, but Fresno would be a disappointing state. Same with Jefferson. California is good as a state because people live there. If everyone just leaves, we will find ourselves with Beverly Hills as a state eventually. I doubt more than 75 people - tops - even actually signed this petition. The referendum will probably not happen and even if it does, Sacramento will kill it. It's unlikely that this ever happens.

Please not that California is not all like this. Where I am right now is pretty darn cool.
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:43 pm

The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Funny how this is always about destroying the state's voting power.

We don't trust California...

The people in charge of that state are basically doing whatever they want anyway, regardless of what A: the federal government or B: literally anyone who doesn't live in the big coastal cities wants. I would love for them to break up. Maybe that'll inspire a breakup of the Vampire Empire State next.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:44 pm

Kramanica wrote:I support pretty much anything that dismantles California, though odds are it won't succeed.

Why?

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Postby Geneviev » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:44 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall wrote:We don't trust California...

The people in charge of that state are basically doing whatever they want anyway, regardless of what A: the federal government or B: literally anyone who doesn't live in the big coastal cities wants.

State's rights. What more can I say?

Also, California's very nice.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:45 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall wrote:We don't trust California...

The people in charge of that state are basically doing whatever they want anyway, regardless of what A: the federal government or B: literally anyone who doesn't live in the big coastal cities wants.

Oh im so sorry that a vote in Los Angeles counts as much as someone in Modoc County. I

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Postby Kramanica » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramanica wrote:I support pretty much anything that dismantles California, though odds are it won't succeed.

Why?

Because the state government is legitimately terrible and does everything it can to undermine the rule of law. It should be contained.
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:45 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Northeast American Federation wrote:The people in charge of that state are basically doing whatever they want anyway, regardless of what A: the federal government or B: literally anyone who doesn't live in the big coastal cities wants.

State's rights. What more can I say?

Also, California's very nice.

I like how state's rights trump federal rules now that a certain someone is in office, but when it was other states and someone else was in office, it was all about the federal supremacy.

At the very least, I've heard the weather and landscape is generally fairly pleasant. That much won't change regardless of how this referendum goes(if it happens).
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Postby The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:46 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Northeast American Federation wrote:The people in charge of that state are basically doing whatever they want anyway, regardless of what A: the federal government or B: literally anyone who doesn't live in the big coastal cities wants.

State's rights. What more can I say?

Also, California's very nice.

Utah is also nice

They're run by Mormons... (jk, Mormons are good people)

Also, there is a huge line between "State Rights" and "Senate Bill No. 179"
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:46 pm

Kramanica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why?

Because the state government is legitimately terrible and does everything it can to undermine the rule of law. It should be contained.

How so? As i pointed out int the OP the logistics of this make no sense. For example Why should someone in San Diego have to pay exorbitant tuition to attend UC Berkeley?

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