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Possible war with Syria?

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War with Syria?

1-This an attempt by war Hawks to trigger a war, to demonstrate American military might.
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12%
2-This is an attempt by the military industrial complex to make money with another war.
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3-This is an attempt to engage in a proxy war with Russia.
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4-This is an attempt to trigger a war with Russia.
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5-Assad is merely evil, and it is our moral duty to take him out.
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6-Assad is evil, but we should stay out of the conflict.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:49 pm

As on the news right now, Congressional members on both sides of the fence are calling for war in Syria over a chemical attack blamed on Assad in Syria.
Almost all are calling for immediate military action.
The only person calling for restraint, to investigate to make sure if Assad is actually the perpetrator for the chemical attack, is the person accused of being a war monger and utter dispicable human by many, Donald Trump.
The only thing that makes some go "hmmmm" is there is no benefit for Assad to hit Damascus with chemical weapons, since his forces were winning and close to gaining control of the area.
Both Dean and Howard agree immediate action is required, don't question, attack! (Even though they agree on nothing else)
Last year, they said they had proof Assad used chemical weapons. Today, proof has still not been presented, but, the leaders said the proof exists, which makes me doubt their claims that said proof exists now.
So Nationstaters, what say you?
Is this an attempt by war Hawks to trigger a war?
Or is it that our leaders are right, and Assad is so evil, that even though he was winning, he is soo evil he would risk war with us to kill innocent civilians for no reason, and like a rabid dog, we must put him down?

My answer?
In my opinion, this seems like an attempt by the war hawks in American politics to get a war they have been itching for.
Not war with Syria and Assad, but a war with Russia and Putin.Ever since Russia refused to play ball with the globalists and took a decidedly Nationalistic stance, culminating with a kill order on Soros, the Globalists have been wanting to use the U.S. military to punish Putin for his arrogance IMHO.
option 4. These crazies want Russia out of the picture, they, IMHO, feel Russia is their biggest obstacle to their plans for globalism efforts (whether for benign or malicious reasons) and want the US military to remove this problem for them.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:52 pm

What about the Jews? What's their role in this?
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:54 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:What about the Jews? What's their role in this?

They’re in the shadows, counting their pennies and stroking their big noses I guess.
Y’know, evil Jew stuff.
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Postby Sacara » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:56 pm

I don't think I've ever seen a more biased OP in my life. :clap:
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:57 pm

Hopefully Putin will overtly support Assad. Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas.
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Postby The Lehi » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:59 pm

russia can only threaten

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Postby Geneviev » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:00 pm

I can only say that I hope there is no war. If America fights Syria, China, and North Korea simultaneously, then it can go horrifically for America.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:00 pm

That George Soros.. what a guy eh?
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Postby Atharla » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:01 pm

Sacara wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a more biased OP in my life. :clap:

LOL, you right.

I'm not about to disrespect you, but are you being serious. We aren't going to war with Russia. You realize they got a military and allies too. War with them wouldn't be the war we've been itching to have. It'd be a major catastrophe and it'd probably end terribly.

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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:01 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:What about the Jews? What's their role in this?

They’re in the shadows, counting their pennies and stroking their big noses I guess.
Y’know, evil Jew stuff.

Actually, my opinion?
Israel simply sees to their own self interests, weakening their neighbors, and strengthening their own position. Like any other Country.
This push for globalism isn't the child of any one nation or people. The leftists simply were a group that decided their vision for the world is the best one, and whether because they want power, or the best for humanity, use their influence to push their agenda.
These are people all over the world, including Jewish, Christian, and Islamic leaders. Not a Jewish cabal controlling all.
But to deny there are people who have an agenda to bring about a cashless society of no countries, no borders, simply economic leaders controlling and guiding the population, is to bury one's head in the sand.
It's easy to say "It's the Jews".
It's harder to admit this agenda has roots in more complex beginnings, and there is no clear face to this movement.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:05 pm

Sacara wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a more biased OP in my life. :clap:

Well, actually, I have(Even on this site). But, at least I am clear in my bias. I am anti globalist with a passion. I am also anti dominionist, hell, actually, I am rabidly anti Theocratic under any religion.
I am a secularist, I believe in a healthy division between church and state, and I am also devoutly an individualist, in other words, I believe in individual freedom over populist control.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:07 pm

Atharla wrote:
Sacara wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a more biased OP in my life. :clap:

LOL, you right.

I'm not about to disrespect you, but are you being serious. We aren't going to war with Russia. You realize they got a military and allies too. War with them wouldn't be the war we've been itching to have. It'd be a major catastrophe and it'd probably end terribly.

Exactly, but IMHO, the Globalists do not care, since I believe their end result is, again IMHO, dissolution of nations as independent entities with any form of sovereignty.
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Postby The Democratic Marxists » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:09 pm

The Syrian Civil War is a beastly and unfortunately terribly confusing war. The proxy wars, religious sect wars, and the main civil war used to leave me tremendously confused. Now, Assad's more and more frequent chemical attacks on his own people leave me in disgust and anger, but not just as an ardent pacifist, dropping bombs and going to war would also be a disastrous decision. In an attempt to show muscle and make profits for war arms manufactures (with some false “compassion” for Syrian civilians victims) John Bolton is going to drag Us troops to worsen a mess that already seems to be at rock bottom.

I myself am trying to search for a solution to the issue in Syria, but with a morally bankrupt leader sitting in Syria, Russia, and America, its tough to find an alternative path to the one right now. I would suggest continued international solidarity and pressure on Syria through UN rhetoric and sanctions, but I know that bombs won’t scare them and haven’t already scared them. To end the war, either Assad has to be assassinated *NOTE: not advocating assassination, just stating an option that must be on the table of the international community* or war must ensue or the world continues diplomatic talks. Unfortunately, these regime change attempts through war or assassination usually just ends in an even worse and autocratic government and helps eventual terrorist groups to spring up (e.g. Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, etc.)....

It’s a foreign policy mess. That’s all I can say.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:11 pm

Seems like conspiracy theory stuff to me, at least in the way it is presented.

Also, what the hell is this about a 'kill order' on Soros? Why would 'the globalists' care about a kill order on one rich guy?

As for going to war with Syria, I have no idea how to make that mess have anything close to an acceptable end. The world would be a better place without Assad, but none of the options to replace him seem much better.
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Albrenia wrote:Seems like conspiracy theory stuff to me, at least in the way it is presented.

Also, what the hell is this about a 'kill order' on Soros? Why would 'the globalists' care about a kill order on one rich guy?

The White Helmets are known to stage attacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LnVHw96jFs
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Postby Dogmeat » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:12 pm

Albrenia wrote:Seems like conspiracy theory stuff to me, at least in the way it is presented.

Also, what the hell is this about a 'kill order' on Soros? Why would 'the globalists' care about a kill order on one rich guy?

"Soros" spelled backwards is "soroS"

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:15 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Seems like conspiracy theory stuff to me, at least in the way it is presented.

Also, what the hell is this about a 'kill order' on Soros? Why would 'the globalists' care about a kill order on one rich guy?

"Soros" spelled backwards is "soroS"

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I'm guessing Globalists are the new Illuminati to many conspiracy theorists. Oooooh scary One World Government. :lol:

Also, is Trump calling for restraint? Last I heard he promised action within 24 hours.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:20 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:"Soros" spelled backwards is "soroS"

Illuminati confirmed.


I'm guessing Globalists are the new Illuminati to many conspiracy theorists. Oooooh scary One World Government. :lol:


All part of the same thing, a cabal of families including the Rothschilds, Onassis, Soros, the Lee family.. I can't remember the number, something like 12 families that are invariably the Illuminati - a sect that originally excluded Jews ironically - or globalists or whatever you want to call them.

Only Putin stands alone in his goal to defeat them.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:25 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I'm guessing Globalists are the new Illuminati to many conspiracy theorists. Oooooh scary One World Government. :lol:


All part of the same thing, a cabal of families including the Rothschilds, Onassis, Soros, the Lee family.. I can't remember the number, something like 12 families that are invariably the Illuminati - a sect that originally excluded Jews ironically - or globalists or whatever you want to call them.

Only Putin stands alone in his goal to defeat them.


What a hero he must be. Him and his sidekick Assad. :roll:

Anyway, if the nationalistic Republicans and Trump currently in control in the US are globalists, then we... I mean they... have already won.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:27 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
All part of the same thing, a cabal of families including the Rothschilds, Onassis, Soros, the Lee family.. I can't remember the number, something like 12 families that are invariably the Illuminati - a sect that originally excluded Jews ironically - or globalists or whatever you want to call them.

Only Putin stands alone in his goal to defeat them.


What a hero he must be. Him and his sidekick Assad. :roll:

Anyway, if the nationalistic Republicans and Trump currently in control in the US are globalists, then we... I mean they... have already won.


Trump's not a globalist, he's a wall builder in lock step with Putin. He's an hero.

Now the Clintons.. goddamn they were evil globalists, hence their side play in paedophilia.. part of the globalist plan is to tear down nations so they can freely indulge in children across the world.

It all ties together.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:29 pm

Albrenia wrote:Seems like conspiracy theory stuff to me, at least in the way it is presented.

Also, what the hell is this about a 'kill order' on Soros? Why would 'the globalists' care about a kill order on one rich guy?

As for going to war with Syria, I have no idea how to make that mess have anything close to an acceptable end. The world would be a better place without Assad, but none of the options to replace him seem much better.

Soros uses his own funds and funds diverted by political leaders to push globalist efforts around the world, weakening the economies of existing governments, essentially using money as a weapon.
//And so Russia, a while back, issued a warrant, for the arrest of Soros, dead or alive.//
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Correction. I did some research, and it seems there was an error in this reporting a while back, Russia did ban Soros from their country as a security threat, and there is no proof at this time of a warrant. When I saw this originally, it was news. It has now been corrected.
However, not long after this was reported, even in error, political leaders became rabidly anti Russia, including then presidential candidate Hillary Clinton insinuating she would go to war with Russia.
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Russia banning Soros and labeling him a "security threat".

Clinton dislike for Putin as reported by NY times

Wanting no fly zones over Syria, which would likely have provoked conflict with Russia.

So all in all, there are a lot of people in positions of power, I suspect the lot of them are armchair generals, that want a war with Russia, and feel even if the war is a phyrric victory for the US, it would be worth it to remove Putin from play.
The government in America can best be described with an analogy. The two political parties are two cats, the elite is a rat, power is the cheese, and the common people is the floor. The floor feels two cats can guard the cheese better than one. But the cats fight each other, and the rat makes off with the cheese in glee. The floor cannot leave, and soon both cats serve the rat, because the rat has the all powerful cheese, and gives the cats a small bit of it. So the floor gets crapped on by all three, as they eat the cheese together.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:31 pm

Blasted Craigs wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Seems like conspiracy theory stuff to me, at least in the way it is presented.

Also, what the hell is this about a 'kill order' on Soros? Why would 'the globalists' care about a kill order on one rich guy?

As for going to war with Syria, I have no idea how to make that mess have anything close to an acceptable end. The world would be a better place without Assad, but none of the options to replace him seem much better.

Soros uses his own funds and funds diverted by political leaders to push globalist efforts around the world, weakening the economies of existing governments, essentially using money as a weapon.
//And so Russia, a while back, issued a warrant, for the arrest of Soros, dead or alive.//
::EDIT::
Correction. I did some research, and it seems there was an error in this reporting a while back, Russia did ban Soros from their country as a security threat, and there is no proof at this time of a warrant. When I saw this originally, it was news. It has now been corrected.
However, not long after this was reported, even in error, political leaders became rabidly anti Russia, including then presidential candidate Hillary Clinton insinuating she would go to war with Russia.
Links.
Russia banning Soros and labeling him a "security threat".

Clinton dislike for Putin as reported by NY times

Wanting no fly zones over Syria, which would likely have provoked conflict with Russia.

So all in all, there are a lot of people in positions of power, I suspect the lot of them are armchair generals, that want a war with Russia, and feel even if the war is a phyrric victory for the US, it would be worth it to remove Putin from play.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 pm

It's a real fucking shame that the genuine plight of Syrian people is discarded in the desire to push some tin-foil hat agenda.
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Bombadil wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
What a hero he must be. Him and his sidekick Assad. :roll:

Anyway, if the nationalistic Republicans and Trump currently in control in the US are globalists, then we... I mean they... have already won.


Trump's not a globalist, he's a wall builder in lock step with Putin. He's an hero.

Now the Clintons.. goddamn they were evil globalists, hence their side play in paedophilia.. part of the globalist plan is to tear down nations so they can freely indulge in children across the world.

It all ties together.

Actually, Putin simply wants power and doesn't want to play ball. A dangerous game. But calling him a hero....ehhhh... that's a stretch. An obstacle? Yes. Hero? ehhhh...
But sarcasm aside, the Clintons were dirty, and trying to deflect the situation by making quasi claims of tinfoil hat conspiracies....that's disingenuous.
The Clintons simply aligned themselves with the Globalists. You see, it's not good versus evil. Stop being childish. Yes, the globalists are dangerous, and like I said, they could be benign in their efforts, but being benign may be more dangerous than malicious, because when people feel they are doing the right thing, it's makes them more dedicated, and more willing to "let the ends justify the means."
It's horribly complex, and like I said, not good vs evil. It's more shades of grey. Just because one is anti globalist does not mean that person is a hero, or even good. It just means they are anti globalist.
My point in my OP is I believe this call for war has roots in the efforts of the Globalists to remove what they view as an obstacle to their plans.
Globalists tend to hate Nationalists. Nationalists tend to hate Globalists. I don't support Nationalism so much as it is I am anti globalist myself, simply because I think their vision is flawed, and ultimately bad for the human race as a whole.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:41 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Blasted Craigs wrote:Soros uses his own funds and funds diverted by political leaders to push globalist efforts around the world, weakening the economies of existing governments, essentially using money as a weapon.
//And so Russia, a while back, issued a warrant, for the arrest of Soros, dead or alive.//
::EDIT::
Correction. I did some research, and it seems there was an error in this reporting a while back, Russia did ban Soros from their country as a security threat, and there is no proof at this time of a warrant. When I saw this originally, it was news. It has now been corrected.
However, not long after this was reported, even in error, political leaders became rabidly anti Russia, including then presidential candidate Hillary Clinton insinuating she would go to war with Russia.
Links.
Russia banning Soros and labeling him a "security threat".

Clinton dislike for Putin as reported by NY times

Wanting no fly zones over Syria, which would likely have provoked conflict with Russia.

So all in all, there are a lot of people in positions of power, I suspect the lot of them are armchair generals, that want a war with Russia, and feel even if the war is a phyrric victory for the US, it would be worth it to remove Putin from play.

Why are you putting links under spoilers?

Cleaner look, and a long time ago, was told by a mod to spoiler links if there are a lot of 'em, I guess it looked like spam?
So now, I usually put links in spoilers. But I didn't mind, like I said to me gave the post a cleaner look.
Would you rather they not be in spoilers? I can if needed.
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The government in America can best be described with an analogy. The two political parties are two cats, the elite is a rat, power is the cheese, and the common people is the floor. The floor feels two cats can guard the cheese better than one. But the cats fight each other, and the rat makes off with the cheese in glee. The floor cannot leave, and soon both cats serve the rat, because the rat has the all powerful cheese, and gives the cats a small bit of it. So the floor gets crapped on by all three, as they eat the cheese together.

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