Hungarian Elections 2018

[Improved werpland]

Hungary will be having parliamentary elections on April 8, so I thought this would be the perfect time to start another one of those armchair-activist-type threads about other countries' elections. After all, these things are really popular and I find them kind of interesting. Maybe if we're lucky an actual Fidesz-supporting Hungarian will wander onto this thread and complain how we're all liberals and leftists who misrepresent their country.

note: I have placed a question mark next to things I am less sure about, which is not to say I'm an expert for the rest either.

Fidesz - national conservatism
Jobbik - nationalism
MSZP - social liberalism
Párbeszéd - social democracy (?)
DK - centrism
Momentum Mozgalom - anti-Fidesz populism
LMP - centrism
Együtt - social liberalism (?)
MLP - classical liberalism (?)
MKKP - it's a joke party

I, for one, if I were a Hungarian or able to vote in their elections, would vote for the DK because I wouldn't want them to fall under the minimum % of votes to enter parliament.

Edit: I thought LMP was the least likely to reenter the parliament, my bad.

[Cekoviu]

Any predictions? I'm worried a right-wing populist party will take power, maybe in a coalition with whatever the standard center-right party is. Hungary is one of the most anti-refugee countries, although perhaps that's been toned down as the refugee crisis decrescendoes.

[Improved werpland]

Any predictions? I'm worried a right-wing populist party will take power, maybe in a coalition with whatever the standard center-right party is. Hungary is one of the most anti-refugee countries, although perhaps that's been toned down as the refugee crisis decrescendoes.

Worry no more as that has been the case since 2010.

Actually, things look a little up for the opposition but I don't think Fidesz will lose their majority. A Fidesz candidate lost a mayoral race in an area where they were traditionally popular about a month ago, and recently a newspaper owned by an oligarch who used to be friends with Orban published an article alleging Orban has been laundering money.

[Trumptonium]

This isn't even a contest.

Fidesz and Law & Justice in Hungary and Poland are polling circa ~60% and ~50% respectively, their elections this and next year are mere referendums on extended terms of power.

Also good on the Hungarians for having a far right party as their opposition to the ruling right-wing party. They're far from being cucked. Long may it continue.

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Though here's a better spin on unemployment





Orban gloriously making Hungary a net exporter


Hungary's budget most balanced since independence

Hungary has more job vacancies than Spain, despite the latter having an unemployment rate 5 times higher and a population 4 times larger.

Wage growth of 14% (!) minus inflation of 1.9% = Anyone who doesn't vote Orban wants to be poor

Consumer confidence at its highest since 1999, retail spending up 8% year on year, household debt to GDP 3rd lowest in EU (19%) - means households aren't strangled with interest payments and any wage growth is directly felt, more monthly new car registrations than Greece, two extra days of public holidays a year, external debt pinching below $100bn for the first time since 2005, a successful foreign policy, a successful repelling of the Germans, what's not to like? He can't lose under such economic and foreign policy conditions, whether he was a self-described communist or fascist or liberal.

Within a single year Hungarian wages have grown from 12610 USD to 16522 USD after accounting for wage growth and currency exchange movements. Or for comparison purposes, the average Hungarian now earns more than the average Portuguese - along with having lower costs of living anyway. So a 31% year-on-year wage rise when looking from a USD perspective, which is what IMF does. I'm not sure that's ever happened before. Taking away historical cases of newly found oil, of course.

[MERIZoC]

I wonder who will win

[Viktorika]

Electoral system politics are a Magian sham, but if I had to vote it would go to Jobbik.

[Oil exporting People]

Happy to remain with Orban but certainly won't complain if Jobbik wins.

[Trumptonium]

Happy to remain with Orban but certainly won't complain if Jobbik wins.

Jobbik are pretty edgy. Beyond the standard NF-PVV-AfD-SD type of stuff.

[Oil exporting People]

Happy to remain with Orban but certainly won't complain if Jobbik wins.

Jobbik are pretty edgy. Beyond the standard NF-PVV-AfD-SD type of stuff.

I'm a Fascist, so I'm good with it; the "midway parties" tend to annoy me more as they're Right enough the Global/EU establishment hates them but they are still towards the center enough that they can still cling to some of its elements.

[Trumptonium]

Jobbik are pretty edgy. Beyond the standard NF-PVV-AfD-SD type of stuff.

I'm a Fascist, so I'm good with it; the "midway parties" tend to annoy me more as they're Right enough the Global/EU establishment hates them but they are still towards the center enough that they can still cling to some of its elements.

Like a fascist or an irredentist fascist?

Jobbik are the latter.

[Improved werpland]

Jobbik are pretty edgy. Beyond the standard NF-PVV-AfD-SD type of stuff.

I'm a Fascist, so I'm good with it; the "midway parties" tend to annoy me more as they're Right enough the Global/EU establishment hates them but they are still towards the center enough that they can still cling to some of its elements.

Jobbik is very much like that. They publically declared to not being against the EU, probably with the consideration that the EU is overwhelmingly popular in Hungary.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I dont know, i guess MSZP or Parbeszedythingamajig.

I know fuck all about hungarian politics, so cant really say.

[Oil exporting People]

Like a fascist or an irredentist fascist? Jobbik are the latter.

Depends upon what exactly you mean by that.

[Trumptonium]

I'm a Fascist, so I'm good with it; the "midway parties" tend to annoy me more as they're Right enough the Global/EU establishment hates them but they are still towards the center enough that they can still cling to some of its elements.

Jobbik is very much like that.

no... not even close

They publically declared to not being against the EU, probably with the consideration that the EU is overwhelmingly popular in Hungary.

that's a broad statement

most of the 2004 entrants are only happy to be in the EU if they are net receivers, except for the czech republic who was always unhappy to join the EU. However, 44% of Hungarians support a referendum on the EU 'sometime in the future'

[Major-Tom]

Orban's more anti-democratic moves concern me, and Jobbik is just...pretty crazy. Right-populist movements across Europe have disavowed Jobbik for being insanely radical.

The opposition is fractured, however, and the biggest opposition party is Jobbik. Orban is hella popular, and I can see why. The Hungarian economy is strong, and Orban's stances on migration are popular, but what worries me is the anti-democratic precedent he seems to have set in place.

The self-professed "liberal" or "social democratic" ones don't stand a chance in hell. I'd probably support Politics Can Be Different, on the basis that they are wishy-washy liberal centrists, and therefore, not Orban or literal fascists.

[Major-Tom]

Also, little caveat, the DK isn't spectacularly terrible or anything, but it is led by former PM Ferenc Gyurcsány, who in a leaked speech as PM years ago, admitted to constantly lying to his citizens. There was also the gas contract with Moscow he helped spearhead, which was sketchy. It's no wonder the anti-Orban opposition is fractured.

[The Liberated Territories]

Hungary politics sucks.

MLP I guess. Who can say no the my little pony party?

[Cekoviu]

Any predictions? I'm worried a right-wing populist party will take power, maybe in a coalition with whatever the standard center-right party is. Hungary is one of the most anti-refugee countries, although perhaps that's been toned down as the refugee crisis decrescendoes.

Worry no more as that has been the case since 2010.

Actually, things look a little up for the opposition but I don't think Fidesz will lose their majority. A Fidesz candidate lost a mayoral race in an area where they were traditionally popular about a month ago, and recently a newspaper owned by an oligarch who used to be friends with Orban published an article alleging Orban has been laundering money.

Oh, hm. I am not very well-informed about Hungarian politics.

[Soviet-mongol]

MSZP is the descendant of the former socialist party of Hungary, the MSZMP, that ruled the country for almost 50 years after World War II. It had many respectable people as members like First secretary Janos Kadar and Matyas Rakosi. Given its tradition dedicated to social democracy, antifascism and human rights the MSZP today opposes policies of the nationalistic PM Viktor Orban and his far-right Fidesz party. MSZP also wished to accept refugees and strenghen EU integration. Given that is the largest opposition party this is the only party that is worths supporting. The West should also help this party by providing its resources to the MSZP during the campaign.

[Texoria]

MSZP is the descendant of the former socialist party of Hungary, the MSZMP, that ruled the country for almost 50 years after World War II. It had many respectable people as members like First secretary Janos Kadar and Matyas Rakosi. Given its tradition dedicated to social democracy, antifascism and human rights the MSZP today opposes policies of the nationalistic PM Viktor Orban and his far-right Fidesz party. MSZP also wished to accept refugees and strenghen EU integration. Given that is the largest opposition party this is the only party that is worths supporting. The West should also help this party by providing its resources to the MSZP during the campaign.

Why accept refugees?

[Improved werpland]

MSZP is the descendant of the former socialist party of Hungary, the MSZMP, that ruled the country for almost 50 years after World War II. It had many respectable people as members like First secretary Janos Kadar and Matyas Rakosi. Given its tradition dedicated to social democracy, antifascism and human rights the MSZP today opposes policies of the nationalistic PM Viktor Orban and his far-right Fidesz party. MSZP also wished to accept refugees and strenghen EU integration. Given that is the largest opposition party this is the only party that is worths supporting. The West should also help this party by providing its resources to the MSZP during the campaign.

Why accept refugees?

Why not?

[Soviet-mongol]

MSZP is the descendant of the former socialist party of Hungary, the MSZMP, that ruled the country for almost 50 years after World War II. It had many respectable people as members like First secretary Janos Kadar and Matyas Rakosi. Given its tradition dedicated to social democracy, antifascism and human rights the MSZP today opposes policies of the nationalistic PM Viktor Orban and his far-right Fidesz party. MSZP also wished to accept refugees and strenghen EU integration. Given that is the largest opposition party this is the only party that is worths supporting. The West should also help this party by providing its resources to the MSZP during the campaign.

Why accept refugees?

Why not?

A little bit diversity does not harm any country. Also, it is part of the EU and Hungary has obligation to accept as many Syrian refugees as possible.

[Texoria]

Why accept refugees?

Why not?

Because they cause crime and rape. Look at Germany look at France look how all of them are going right now with all their rapes and murder

[Texoria]

Why accept refugees?

Why not?

A little bit diversity does not harm any country. Also, it is part of the EU and Hungary has obligation to accept as many Syrian refugees as possible.

"A little bit of diversity does not harm any country" http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/01/yes ... migration/

[Bakery Hill]

Why not?

A little bit diversity does not harm any country. Also, it is part of the EU and Hungary has obligation to accept as many Syrian refugees as possible.

"A little bit of diversity does not harm any country" http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/01/yes ... migration/

nice blog post dude

> picture of brown people rioting in a place that clearly is not Sweden

"The author is a professor who teaches at an American university."