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[DRAFT] Liberate ISIS land

Postby Carcerum » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:14 pm

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Liberate ISIS Land

Category: Liberation | Target: ISIS Land | Proposed by: The Constitutional Republic of Carcerum



Noting that the existing Security Council precedents set by SC #25 (Liberate Islam - Repealed); #224 (Liberate Kaisserraich); and SC #225 (Liberate Nazi Europa) justify the use of liberation as a means of frustrating the propagators of hateful ideologies and oppressive practices, namely, radical Islamic terrorists;

Asserting that the region in question was founded as "ISIS Land" and has an active leader;

Further Asserting that on March 19, the region "ISIS Land" did deliberately change its flag to that of an organization which is internationally recognized as that of a terrorist organization;

Further asserting that this Council stands adamantly in opposition to terrorism in any way, shape or form, and has a Duty to Protect inhabitants of nations who face terroristic activities and leadership;

Further asserting that on the morning of March 19, the region's figurehead did deliberately and forcibly eject two nations from the region who did not conform to radical Islamic ideology;

Further Asserting that on March 19, the region "ISIS Land" did deliberately construct a barrier to obstruct nations such as Carcerum from intervening in their acts of terrorism;

Further asserting that the region's figurehead has named their position "ISIS Leader" and has been consolidating power over the last few hours and days in preparation for further acts of terrorism;

Further asserting that the region's figurehead is unrepentant of his status as a terroristic region and state, and welcomes the notoriety, which pre-empts a simple condemnation by this Council;

Further asserting that "ISIS Land" undermines the efforts of peaceful Muslims to exercise their religion free from harassment, oppression or overt bigotry such as the type employed by the terrorist group in question;

The Security Council, by the advice and consent of the Delegates and member nations thereof, does hereby liberate ISIS land.
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Postby Prydania » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:19 pm

Support.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:21 pm

Just two things: take out (OOC:password) and GMT. GMT is referencing the real world, which violates Rule 4(c).
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Postby Sarakart » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:22 pm

I had hoped this region wasn't a thing. Well, it is. Support, once you remove the rule-breaking OOC connection.
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Postby Willania Imperium » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Support. Just get rid of the rule-breaking OOC and RL references, then it'll be legal.

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Postby Carcerum » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:25 pm

Fixed up the real world references.

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Carcerum wrote:Fixed up the real world references.

Just a couple more quick things. Where you reference the SC proposals, hyperlink those. Its not hard, I'm guessing you know how to do that. And the first and last time you mention ISIS Land too.
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Postby La Navasse » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:00 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:
Carcerum wrote:Fixed up the real world references.

Just a couple more quick things. Where you reference the SC proposals, hyperlink those. Its not hard, I'm guessing you know how to do that. And the first and last time you mention ISIS Land too.

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Postby The Noble Thatcherites » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:28 pm

Absolutely Against

ISIS Land was founded 22 days ago and harbours three nations. Three! The region doesn’t even appear to endorse radical islam. Besides the harmless flag and WFE, what about this region makes it a candidate for a preemptive liberation?

Whereas KAISERREICH and Nazi Europa have endorsed and harboured nazism for years, this region hasn’t done anything of the sort with radical islamic ideology. Seeing that Islamic States Land has a population of 75 million and Carcerum has a population of 12 million, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both the same person, trying to make a laughingstock of the SC. Additionally, Carcerum doesn’t exactly seem fond of the WASC atm...
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Postby La Navasse » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:33 pm

The Noble Thatcherites wrote:Absolutely Against

ISIS Land was founded 22 days ago and harbours three nations. Three! The region doesn’t even appear to endorse radical islam. Besides the harmless flag and WFE, what about this region makes it a candidate for a preemptive liberation?

Whereas KAISERREICH and Nazi Europa has endorsed and harboured nazism for years, this region hasn’t done anything of the sort with radical islamic ideology. Seeing that Islamic States Land has a population of 75 million and Carcerum has a population of 12 million, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both the same person, trying to make a laughingstock of the SC.

Well, that happens to increase the dubiousness of this proposal...

I think I shall rethink my response.
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Postby Willania Imperium » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:34 pm

The Noble Thatcherites wrote:Absolutely Against

ISIS Land was founded 22 days ago and harbours three nations. Three! The region doesn’t even appear to endorse radical islam. Besides the harmless flag and WFE, what about this region makes it a candidate for a preemptive liberation?

Whereas KAISERREICH and Nazi Europa have endorsed and harboured nazism for years, this region hasn’t done anything of the sort with radical islamic ideology. Seeing that Islamic States Land has a population of 75 million and Carcerum has a population of 12 million, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both the same person, trying to make a laughingstock of the SC. Additionally, Carcerum doesn’t exactly seem fond of the WASC atm...


Well, if you excuse me, I'll withdraw to rethink my stance.

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Likewise.
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Postby Kokoku » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:29 pm

We are against this proposal and oppose any weaponized liberations. We condemn this activity and urge all not to indulge in it.
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:08 am

(Why am I getting dragged into this?)

Okay - I can't see the point in this or follow the arguments here at all in the same way that you could with the Liberate KR and NE.

Yes, ISIS upholds an abhorrent ideology. However, this region has a grand total of 3 nations. None of these nations have commented at all on the forums. This region doesn't have a discord link, or any external website link at all. It has no WA presence at all. Their RMB has a grand total of 4 messages - all just saying hello. Their factbook entry contains the following statement:

join here, only islam nation, only ilsam naton or nation
join now!


And yes, that is right - whoever posted this managed to spell Islam in two different ways.

Unlike KR or NE, they're not actively promoting anything at all - aside from their name they have absolutely zero presence on NS at all. I am certain that there are a handful of tiny regions with fascist sounding names that will be similarly ignored because they do nothing at all.

Find a region with ISIS themed stuff with a largeish number of nations that posts jokes about beheading infidels etc. and promotes pro ISIS propoganda and talking points in the same way that KR and NE do with fascism/nazism and you'll have a decent target for a liberation I'd think. This though? This isn't it.
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I never said I supported, just giving constructive criticism. Against, based on Thatchers post.
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Postby Carcerum » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:55 am

Caracasus wrote:(Why am I getting dragged into this?)

Okay - I can't see the point in this or follow the arguments here at all in the same way that you could with the Liberate KR and NE.

Yes, ISIS upholds an abhorrent ideology. However, this region has a grand total of 3 nations. None of these nations have commented at all on the forums. This region doesn't have a discord link, or any external website link at all. It has no WA presence at all. Their RMB has a grand total of 4 messages - all just saying hello. Their factbook entry contains the following statement:

join here, only islam nation, only ilsam naton or nation
join now!


And yes, that is right - whoever posted this managed to spell Islam in two different ways.

Unlike KR or NE, they're not actively promoting anything at all - aside from their name they have absolutely zero presence on NS at all. I am certain that there are a handful of tiny regions with fascist sounding names that will be similarly ignored because they do nothing at all.

Find a region with ISIS themed stuff with a largeish number of nations that posts jokes about beheading infidels etc. and promotes pro ISIS propoganda and talking points in the same way that KR and NE do with fascism/nazism and you'll have a decent target for a liberation I'd think. This though? This isn't it.


So we going to have a game where "Nazis" are pursued more aggressively than ISIS? And nobody sees anything wrong with that? Nah, son. Nah.

1) ISIS posts are much unlike "Nazi" posts in that IT IS ILLEGAL, both ICly and OOCly, to even claim affiliation with a terrorist group. I will be contacting the FBI about this region. I am not kidding. It's not funny, it's not a joke, and it's utterly unacceptable.

2) Their very existence is a threat to this community, and the level of activity is irrelevant. We can't see what goes down behind closed doors and off site -- as the Kaiserreich decision made clear, off site activity is subject to Council intervention.

3) This is a significant issue of actual legal liability for NS' owners. The police take terrorism very seriously, even in "roleplay" capacities. I don't want law enforcement barging the admin's house down because some twit made a fictitious country and called it "ISIS Land".

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Postby Caracasus » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:00 am

Carcerum wrote:
Caracasus wrote:(Why am I getting dragged into this?)

Okay - I can't see the point in this or follow the arguments here at all in the same way that you could with the Liberate KR and NE.

Yes, ISIS upholds an abhorrent ideology. However, this region has a grand total of 3 nations. None of these nations have commented at all on the forums. This region doesn't have a discord link, or any external website link at all. It has no WA presence at all. Their RMB has a grand total of 4 messages - all just saying hello. Their factbook entry contains the following statement:



And yes, that is right - whoever posted this managed to spell Islam in two different ways.

Unlike KR or NE, they're not actively promoting anything at all - aside from their name they have absolutely zero presence on NS at all. I am certain that there are a handful of tiny regions with fascist sounding names that will be similarly ignored because they do nothing at all.

Find a region with ISIS themed stuff with a largeish number of nations that posts jokes about beheading infidels etc. and promotes pro ISIS propoganda and talking points in the same way that KR and NE do with fascism/nazism and you'll have a decent target for a liberation I'd think. This though? This isn't it.


So we going to have a game where "Nazis" are pursued more aggressively than ISIS? And nobody sees anything wrong with that? Nah, son. Nah.

1) ISIS posts are much unlike "Nazi" posts in that IT IS ILLEGAL, both ICly and OOCly, to even claim affiliation with a terrorist group. I will be contacting the FBI about this region. I am not kidding. It's not funny, it's not a joke, and it's utterly unacceptable.

2) Their very existence is a threat to this community, and the level of activity is irrelevant. We can't see what goes down behind closed doors and off site -- as the Kaiserreich decision made clear, off site activity is subject to Council intervention.

3) This is a significant issue of actual legal liability for NS' owners. The police take terrorism very seriously, even in "roleplay" capacities. I don't want law enforcement barging the admin's house down because some twit made a fictitious country and called it "ISIS Land".


Like I said, find a region that supports ISIS with the same sort of activity and number of members as KR or NE and you'll probably have a resolution. As it stands this is a nothing region with no activity and aside from the name no relation to the outside world. They do absolutely nothing.

I'd never support any resolution liberating a region with fascist/nazi in the name that had 3 members who had contributed nothing at all to the forums, had no offsite forum/discussion and had done nothing since its foundation. It wouldn't be worth it. Nothing to do with the ideology.

If you think it's a matter for the police, then why not bring it up with admin?
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Postby The Noble Thatcherites » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:51 am

Caracasus wrote:If you think this is a matter for the police, then why not bring it up with admin?
For sure. The Security Council deals with IC matters regarding regional beliefs, values, customs, and practices. If you believe that a region genuinely poses a threat to the world then bring this up with an admin. Let’s be real though, unless you somehow have some crazy evidence that the rest of us don’t have access too, this region doesn’t pose a threat to the world. From the evidence on site, it’s pretty clear that ISIS Land is pretty much harmless.

P.S. Nice job avoiding my allegations earlier. :P
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Tiny, irrelevant joke region, lol no way in hell
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Blood Wine wrote:Tiny, irrelevant joke region, lol no way in hell

A tiny, irrelevant joke region the OP probably created to troll the SC with.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:31 am

You're obviously doing this to take the piss out of the recently passed "Liberations", I would fully support it.

On the small chance that you're being serious though, it's a No from us.
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Central Asian Republics wrote:You're obviously doing this to take the piss out of the recently passed "Liberations", I would fully support it.

On the small chance that you're being serious though, it's a No from us.


Lol, yeah, it's 100% designed to take the piss.

Also, ISIS sucks.

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Trying to convince my region to adopt this resolution. :)

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