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[QUORUM FAILED, REDRAFTING] Repeal “Commend The MT Army”

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[QUORUM FAILED, REDRAFTING] Repeal “Commend The MT Army”

Postby Divitalia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:50 am

Security Council Resolution #240 “Commend The MT Army” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

BELIEVING that all nations and regions have a right to free speech, no matter how disliked their views are,

ALARMED by The MT Army’s numerous attacks on Nazi and Fascist regions with the intention of stopping this free speech,

RECOGNIZING that raiding in all forms is inherently destructive,

APPALLED by the Security Council’s endorsement of this destructive activity despite its goal being to “spread interregional peace,”

Hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #240.

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Any feedback is welcome.
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Postby Sarakart » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:55 am

You spelled "Appalled" wrong.
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Postby Divitalia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:57 am

Sarakart wrote:You spelled "Appalled" wrong.


Fixed, thanks.

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Postby PatrickStar » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:13 am

Support. Raiders deserve no commendations, regardless of what they claim to be fighting for.
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Postby Re-Unified Russia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:55 am

Divitalia wrote:
Sarakart wrote:You spelled "Appalled" wrong.


Fixed, thanks.

Also misspelled region
Otherwise I support it, raiders don't deserve commendation
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Postby Divitalia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:58 am

Re-Unified Russia wrote:
Divitalia wrote:
Fixed, thanks.

Also misspelled region
Otherwise I support it, raiders don't deserve commendation


Fixed.

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Postby Divitalia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:23 pm

I made some small changes.

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Postby Divitalia » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:57 am

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Postby Freezic Vast » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:01 am

This is gonna fail tremendously. The last time this was done it didn't have the support, and I doubt it'll have the support now. And if it does, it'll be overwhelmingly voted down.
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Postby Divitalia » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:59 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:This is gonna fail tremendously. The last time this was done it didn't have the support, and I doubt it'll have the support now. And if it does, it'll be overwhelmingly voted down.


The original commendation had a close vote. I wouldn’t be too sure about that.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:32 pm

I'm mildly in favor of removing commendations specifically for raiding. For

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Postby Chricoma » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:42 pm

Support, Raiders do not deserve commendation
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Postby Divitalia » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:20 pm

Thanks for the support, but I’m not even sure this’ll reach quorum...

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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:26 pm

Divitalia wrote:Thanks for the support, but I’m not even sure this’ll reach quorum...

Have you tried a tg campaign to delegates? Those are usually needed

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Postby Divitalia » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:33 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Divitalia wrote:Thanks for the support, but I’m not even sure this’ll reach quorum...

Have you tried a tg campaign to delegates? Those are usually needed


No, I haven’t. This is my first proposal and I’m not even sure how I’d do that.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:30 pm

Divitalia wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Have you tried a tg campaign to delegates? Those are usually needed


No, I haven’t. This is my first proposal and I’m not even sure how I’d do that.

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Postby Faleshek » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:11 pm

BELIEVING that all nations and regions have a right to free speech, no matter how disliked their views are,

ALARMED by The MT Army’s numerous attacks on Nazi and Fascist regions with the intention of stopping this free speech,

Protecting Fascist Regimes in the name of Free Speech is absurd. Remove this language from the proposal and you might have my support, but abusing the ideals of freedom to support the oppression of whole populaces is a perversion Faleshek cannot and will not support.

Nations do not have a right to Free Speech. At best, individuals have, and in the case of fascist regimes, they don't. Don't forget that nations aren't people!
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Postby Divitalia » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:29 pm

Currently 15 approvals from quorum.

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Postby Emma Skye » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:17 pm

Divitalia wrote:Currently 15 approvals from quorum.

92 now, 13 more to pass.


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Postby Cedoria » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:19 pm

No support, poorly written, improperly prepared with no consultation time, and no all-around argument regarding why the commendation was specifically unwarranted.

I also predict this will fail spectacularly.

Also, if you're going to quote the Security Council's motto, I suggest you quote the whole motto.

"Dedicated to spreading interregional peace and goodwill, by force if necessary" (bolded mine)


Not doing that just looks disingenuous, since it's explicitly stated that use of force is permitted to secure interregional peace and goodwill.
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Postby Emma Skye » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Cedoria wrote:No support, poorly written, improperly prepared with no consultation time, and no all-around argument regarding why the commendation was specifically unwarranted.

I also predict this will fail spectacularly.

The MT Army suppresses freedom of speech. Why should we applaud them for the suppression of free speech?


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Postby Cedoria » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:31 pm

Emma Skye wrote:
Cedoria wrote:No support, poorly written, improperly prepared with no consultation time, and no all-around argument regarding why the commendation was specifically unwarranted.

I also predict this will fail spectacularly.

The MT Army suppresses freedom of speech. Why should we applaud them for the suppression of free speech?

Evidence please. Also, freedom of speech can, and does, have justifiable restrictions imposed in extreme circumstances.

But the proposal contains no proof of any such suppression, which, if it's to be of good standard, it must. Which could have potentially happened if it hadn't been submitted with virtually no debate or consideration.
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Postby Emma Skye » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:34 pm

Cedoria wrote:
Emma Skye wrote:The MT Army suppresses freedom of speech. Why should we applaud them for the suppression of free speech?

Evidence please. Also, freedom of speech can, and does, have justifiable restrictions imposed in extreme circumstances.

But the proposal contains no proof of any such suppression, which, if it's to be of good standard, it must. Which could have potentially happened if it hadn't been submitted with virtually no debate or consideration.

The invasion of many regions by the MT Army, is the proof I present.


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Postby Cedoria » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:40 pm

Emma Skye wrote:
Cedoria wrote:Evidence please. Also, freedom of speech can, and does, have justifiable restrictions imposed in extreme circumstances.

But the proposal contains no proof of any such suppression, which, if it's to be of good standard, it must. Which could have potentially happened if it hadn't been submitted with virtually no debate or consideration.

The invasion of many regions by the MT Army, is the proof I present.

Invasion of regions which are run by Fascist or Nazi aligned individuals, and serve as platforms to propagate hatred and contempt on grounds of faith race and other innately human qualities.

Yes, they're so terrible being so nasty to those poor Nazis! Let me play the world's smallest violin!

(Since I know that will almost certainly be misconstrued, allow me to clarify, the above line is sarcasm).

Even if what you say is true, that's not necessarily proof that the Commendation should be repealed, since part of the reason MT Army got the commendation in the first place was the military activites you discuss.

And even if that were unjustified, that should be used by the proposal itself as a justification, which it doesn't, which makes it a piss-poor badly-written and hastily prepared proposal that should be buried as soon as it reaches quorum if it ever does.

To put it another way, why are you being left to argue points that should've been in the proposal itself? Also, your defence didn't name one region, meaning it's of even lower quality than this contemptible excuse of a proposal.
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Postby Divitalia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:35 am

Cedoria wrote:
Emma Skye wrote:The invasion of many regions by the MT Army, is the proof I present.

Invasion of regions which are run by Fascist or Nazi aligned individuals, and serve as platforms to propagate hatred and contempt on grounds of faith race and other innately human qualities.

Yes, they're so terrible being so nasty to those poor Nazis! Let me play the world's smallest violin!

(Since I know that will almost certainly be misconstrued, allow me to clarify, the above line is sarcasm).

Even if what you say is true, that's not necessarily proof that the Commendation should be repealed, since part of the reason MT Army got the commendation in the first place was the military activites you discuss.

And even if that were unjustified, that should be used by the proposal itself as a justification, which it doesn't, which makes it a piss-poor badly-written and hastily prepared proposal that should be buried as soon as it reaches quorum if it ever does.

To put it another way, why are you being left to argue points that should've been in the proposal itself? Also, your defence didn't name one region, meaning it's of even lower quality than this contemptible excuse of a proposal.


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Yeah, figures you have so much to say.

In all fairness, this is my first proposal. No need to be so abrasive about your critisism.
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