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[PASSED] Liberate KAISERREICH

Postby Lenlyvit » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:18 am

I know this is really controversial, but after reading Cormac's posts I went ahead and did it. Please for the love of god don't turn this into a thread of warnings. Moderation, I'm sorry in advance if it goes nuts in here.

The Security Council,

Noting that KAISERREICH at this point in time is not yet founderless;

Appalled by KAISERREICH’s apparent disregard towards others, as well as the regions use of Nazi propaganda and swastikas;

Abhorred by the regions use of hate speech behind closed doors in its hallowed halls;

Believing that a region such as KAISERREICH, who hides their true nature so as to lure unsuspecting new nations to them, does not deserve the right to be protected by this august body;

Further Believing that liberating KAISERREICH will serve as a warning to other Nazi and Fascist regions, a warning that if they try to hide their true nature the Security Council will take action;

Acknowledging that liberating KAISERREICH, which has built its reputation on lies and falsehoods as well as attempting to eliminate ideologies different than theirs, will leave the region open to invasion after its founder leaves;

The Security Council hereby liberates KAISERREICH.
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Postby The Stalker » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:26 am

I like the change, I definitely agree with Cormac's sentiments, this will be more effective.

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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:27 am

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Postby Canton Empire » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:29 am

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Postby Pergamon » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:57 am

I like it.
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Postby Kurnugia » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:01 am

Much better than a condemn. It has actual GP implications.
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Postby Davelands » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:10 am

I see nothing inherently wrong with this. Go for it.
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Postby New Ex Patria » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:13 am

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:36 am

Lenlyvit wrote:I know this is really controversial, but after reading Cormac's posts I went ahead and did it.

This is basically the subtitle of my NationStates biography.

Full support for this in principle, but I think I have a few suggestions for revision that I can't get to right now. I'll try to later today. Good work!
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Postby Trigori » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:40 am

Oh, it's the annual Kaiserreich-is-a-nazi-region-guys! hunt, cool
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Postby Vandario » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:48 am

Trigori wrote:Oh, it's the annual Kaiserreich-is-a-nazi-region-guys! hunt, cool

Pretty much this, just give up already CAIN, you lot have so little to do, you have to hound regions that are not even Nazi's just in a attempt to remain relevant.
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Postby Kurnugia » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:51 am

Vandario wrote:
Trigori wrote:Oh, it's the annual Kaiserreich-is-a-nazi-region-guys! hunt, cool

Pretty much this, just give up already CAIN, you lot have so little to do, you have to hound regions that are not even Nazi's just in a attempt to remain relevant.

CAIN is already ded.
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Postby Trigori » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:52 am

Vandario wrote:
Trigori wrote:Oh, it's the annual Kaiserreich-is-a-nazi-region-guys! hunt, cool

Pretty much this, just give up already CAIN, you lot have so little to do, you have to hound regions that are not even Nazi's just in a attempt to remain relevant.

Yeah, I still remember back when old Krumpelberg was also listed as a Nazi region because we had embassies with Kaiserreich.

Like, I don't mind condemnations against Nazi regions, but there are regions out there that deserve that condemnation far more and where a discussion about whether they are really Nazi or not cannot hold place.
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Postby Vandario » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:58 am

Kurnugia wrote:
Vandario wrote:Pretty much this, just give up already CAIN, you lot have so little to do, you have to hound regions that are not even Nazi's just in a attempt to remain relevant.

CAIN is already ded.


Yet it seems core members of the apparently defunked CAIN still come after Kaiserreich. You all may not carry the banner, but the goals remain the same.
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Postby Reutoa » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:04 am

I'm just going to point this out;

Abhorred by the regions use of hate speech behind closed doors in its hallowed halls


While I don't like Racism just as much as the next guy, I don't see see these guys as a bunch of Neo-Nazis or Racists like you all say they are, I see them as a bunch of edgy guys trying to be funny memers.

Also Regarding the "use of hate speech behind closed doors" part: these guys can say whatever they want in their Discord, no matter how terrible it is, if you honestly are offended by it just report them to the Discord Staff. I've also looked at the "horrible" screenshots that people took of them talking, I've seen worse in other Nationstate Discords. I don't see the point in including this part if your not gonna include everyone that has ever posted a Nazi meme or anything.

Edit: I do Support this btw, just wanted to say this ^
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Postby Dwarfpolis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:29 am

How can 1(ONE) rogue region whip up so many people? How do they do it?
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Postby Sarakart » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:41 am

Our region is a pretty new direct democracy and if this proposal ultimately comes up to vote I'd like to have the fullest information possible to instruct my members. Can someone link me the screenshots of the behind closed doors hate speech? I know that Kaiserreich is a German-Empire themed raider region, so I wouldn't be ultimately surprised if some of the kaiserboos turned out to be wehraboos as well, but I want to have hard evidence.

Also, what precisely are the mechanical effects of "liberating" a region?
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:44 am

Sarakart wrote:Our region is a pretty new direct democracy and if this proposal ultimately comes up to vote I'd like to have the fullest information possible to instruct my members. Can someone link me the screenshots of the behind closed doors hate speech? I know that Kaiserreich is a German-Empire themed raider region, so I wouldn't be ultimately surprised if some of the kaiserboos turned out to be wehraboos as well, but I want to have hard evidence.

Also, what precisely are the mechanical effects of "liberating" a region?

Someone else can provide the screenshots. As to the liberation, it makes it so that neither the WA delegate nor the ROs can place a password on the region.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:46 am

IMO, Liberating KAISERREICH is better than Condemning it, given the current raider attitude toward Condemnation badges.
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Postby The Brand New Salvatagard Republic » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:49 am

As a former member of KAISERREICH, they never sent out any forms of Nazism and Fascism to it's citizens. Unless you count the weeky updating telegrams such as these ones I still have:

"Region telegramThe Empire of Scansinia → region: KAISERREICH
96 days ago
New Weekly March and Theme:

Hohenfriedberger Marsch

Emotional Epic Music - Our Reckoning"


"Region telegramThe Archduchy of Triemann → region: KAISERREICH
89 days ago
ACHTUNG, VOLK OF KAISERREICH
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On Friday, December 15, the First Assembly of the Outer Reichstag will be taking place. All Reich Ministers, Counts, Barons, and Patriarchs are invited to attend this gathering. The proceedings are to fulfill our duties to our Konstitution, which allow for all nobles to partake in the internal governance of our Reich. It will last from Friday until Sunday, December 17.

The largest issue on the agenda is the election of a new Reich Chancellor. I intend to resign after my successor is elected by the Ministers, Counts, Barons, and Patriarchs. The First Assembly is the culmination of my efforts to expand the rights of our notable and active members after over one year of hard work and service as Reich Chancellor of Kaiserreich.

I am opening the floor for all potential candidates to state their intention to run for my office and begin publicly gathering support through this week until the Assembly of the Outer Reichstag. Also, new term limits for service in the Chancellery have been put in place, so please read Article IV, Section II, S. Section D as soon as possible.

Those listed below are invited to the First Assembly and are eligible for the office of Reich Chancellor.

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I will supervise this election process. To all candidates who wish to declare: please send me a telegram and ensure that it is seconded by another nation in our Reich. This must occur before you begin campaigning.

Adherence to such rules and regulations, as well as ability to maintain stability and peace in our Reich during the campaign, shows well on your abilities and gives insight as to the future of our Reichstag under your governance. High levels of activity on NationStates and/or the Discord are required for all candidates, as well as the ability to work with their fellow nobles and, above all, our Kaiser.

Political parties are allowed to form, however should they become unruly, it is still within the authority to remove them to save stability. Our Reich is and will always be paramount to all true Volk.

Heil, Kaiser! Heil, Kaiserreich!"


KAISERREICH is just glorifying the German Empire under the Hohenzollern family. They aren't Nazis. Kaiser Wilhelm II hated Hitler, even though one of Wilhelm's son supported Nazism and met with Hitler several times.

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Postby Sarakart » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:56 am

I don't think the attraction to the Old German Empire is in question, it's whether or not many members didn't really stay on form with that theme and were fascists and nazis in actuality. The proposal isn't liberating Kaiserreich for liking the kaiser.
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Postby The Neo Fascist Byzantium empire » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:00 pm

They have a right to their ideology. They are so many communists here yet you pick on the innocent fascists. Not the vile ideology of communism the disgusting ideology that killed the most people in history. The Kaierreich have a right to their ideology. You cant though police them when they haven't broken any rules. They can also say whatever they want in private and "behind closed doors" in a free environment. Real life is separate from nationstates where you cant say much
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Postby Dwarfpolis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:06 pm

KR is as fascist as the Soviet union is communist if you ask the average red lib on here
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Postby Sarakart » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:09 pm

This isn't a proposal about communists, so the whataboutism isn't very convincing, and neither is the term "innocent fascists" when applied to a region that is insisting it is not fascist. Is it fascist or not?
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:11 pm

The Neo Fascist Byzantium empire wrote:They have a right to their ideology. They are so many communists here yet you pick on the innocent fascists. Not the vile ideology of communism the disgusting ideology that killed the most people in history. The Kaierreich have a right to their ideology. You cant though police them when they haven't broken any rules

A fascist standing up for them, whining about communists, doesn't help their case one bit.

Dwarfpolis wrote:KR is as fascist as the Soviet union is communist if you ask the average red lib on here

Neither does a KR native painting all their opposition as one group, while making a ridiculous RL comparison.
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